Grand Final Premeirship ladders + finals trivia

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These are the stats from the Grand Final appearances

PA 33-27
NW 18-15
ST 13-9
NA 13-15
WA 8-8
CD 7-4
SA 5-7
WT 4-4
GL 4-13
EG 2-5
WDV 0-0


ST-NW-NA-SA have all drawn one game each


The surprising stat is that SA have almost a 50% strike rate in grand finals

WDV never made a grand final which would be disappointing for the old pecker diehards

GL have never beaten any exsisting SANFL club except NA in grand finals
GL have won 3 times v NA and beat the Adelaide club in 1934
Might be wrong but was the Adelaide club a defacto NA club back then ?


Another surprising stat is that PA are 33-27
With all the euphoria about PA I would have thought a bigger win to loss gap in the ratio
By the looks of things PA would have been 50/50 all grand finals at the start of the 80's ?


It would be interesting to see the head to head on grand finals of all clubs


I know my mob NW have more wins v PA in all finals which would most people
Grand finals PA V NW ? I venture to say NW would be in front ?
Ive seen 4 in my lifetime
NW + PA 2-2

Also in the last 10 or so any finals NA have beaten NW almost everytime ?
Grand Finals NW V NA ?

Looking at those stats finals are on the day as most clubs have a close to 50/50 ratio

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From 1898:

Central vs Eagles: 4-1
Central vs Glenelg: 1-0
Central vs North: 1-0
Central vs Port: 0-2
Central vs Sturt: 0-1
Central vs West: 1-0
Eagles vs Norwood: 1-0
Eagles vs Port: 0-1
Glenelg vs North: 3-1
Glenelg vs Norwood: 0-3
Glenelg vs Port: 1-5
Glenelg vs Sturt: 0-3
North vs Norwood: 3-1
North vs Port: 4-6
North vs South: 2-0
North vs Sturt: 1-3-1
North vs West: 1-1
North vs Torrens: 1-0
Norwood vs Port: 7-6
Norwood vs South: 0-1
Norwood vs Sturt: 2-0
Norwood vs West: 1-3
Norwood vs Torrens: 2-1
Port vs South: 3-4
Port vs Sturt: 4-5
Port vs West: 5-3
Port vs Torrens: 1-2
South vs Sturt: 0-1
Sturt vs West: 0-1
Sturt vs Torrens: 0-1

Prior to 1977, Ports' Grand Final record was 20 wins 24 losses.

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Glenelg defeated Port in 1934.
The Adelaide club wasn't around for at least 30 years before that.

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Finals between North and Norwood:
North 13 Norwood 5 Drawn 1

The last meeting was in the 1st Semi of 1995 - Norwood won that after 7 consecutive losses to North in finals matches.

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Another surprising stat is that PA are 33-27
With all the euphoria about PA I would have thought a bigger win to loss gap in the ratio
By the looks of things PA would have been 50/50 all grand finals at the start of the 80's ?

There was that famous quote by a Port administrator before the Fos era about being sick of coming second. Not sure whether this lead to the creed, but certainly to a more ruthless approach. The stats pre-53 and post-54 would be interesting.

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Great work Spelly
One very interesting stat
CD/ST/GL the top 3 finishing teams of 2009 have a common denominator
All 3 clubs have never beaten NW in a grand final

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Another surprising stat is that PA are 33-27
With all the euphoria about PA I would have thought a bigger win to loss gap in the ratio
By the looks of things PA would have been 50/50 all grand finals at the start of the 80's ?

There was that famous quote by a Port administrator before the Fos era about being sick of coming second. Not sure whether this lead to the creed, but certainly to a more ruthless approach. The stats pre-53 and post-54 would be interesting.

11-17 between 1898 and 1953
22-9 from 1954 onwards

6 of those 9 losses were in a row between 1966 and 1976.

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Grand Finals started in the SANFL in 1898

In 1889 as a precurser
NW + PA finished the same win loss ratio in the minor round as it was back then
They decided to have a play off for the winner of 1889
7227 paid spectators
10000 approximately turned up
Port were the slight favourites to win the game going by some of the betting
Adelaide oval

NW 3-1...4-1...5-3...7-4
PA 3-1....3-3...4-7...5-9

Norwoods captain of the day was Alfred Topsy Waldron

Stats from that day
marks NW 86 PA 79
running shots NW 4 PA 1
frees NW 19 PA 22
ball ups 9
out of bounds 101
admission 6d [whatever that was]
points were not counted ? they were stated but not counted so NW 7 beat PA 5

A game in Victoria is linked as the reason why G/Fs = a finals system was first started in SA in 1898
Collingwood and South Melbourne finished equal in the minor round
They had a play off for the winner of 1896
The crowd was good and this was a possible reason for a finals system to be formatted


Fair dinkum, I would just luv to be on a time machine and go back to see that NW V PA game

[Ash59]

9 Ball ups and 101 throw ins?? Nearly everyone in the crowd would have touched the leather!!

[Psyber]

admission 6d [whatever that was]

Six pence became 5 cents in 1966.
Corrected for average income now, compared with then, it could have been something like 15% or more of a weeks income.
[I remember my mother saying she was working for 4 shillings [40c] a week in the mid 1920s.]

[Ash59]

Port 22-9 since 1953.

0-0 this Century!!

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1934 Grand Final when GL defeated PA
This is from a person who is a keen SANFL historian
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havent you heard of the stories of the 34 grand final
it was interesting time, it was the times of the great depression
between 1927-1935 all 8 teams won the flag, quite incredible

money was very scarce but betting was prolific in the depression
there has always been a story, hopefully apocryphal that after GL beat PA in the grand final by about 9 points that the umpire left adelaide with enough cash to buy a freehold house in Perth

I do find that hard to believe, but PA had thrashed GL by 10 goals in the second semi final and GL, after winning the 34 flag finished bottom in 1935

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Quite remarkable if all that is true !

[Magpiespower]

there has always been a story, hopefully apocryphal that after GL beat PA in the grand final by about 9 points that the umpire left adelaide with enough cash to buy a freehold house in Perth

The great Bob Quinn was furious about the umpiring until the day he died.

The fix was in!

[bayman]

there has always been a story, hopefully apocryphal that after GL beat PA in the grand final by about 9 points that the umpire left adelaide with enough cash to buy a freehold house in Perth

The great Bob Quinn was furious about the umpiring until the day he died.

The fix was in!

well lawrie sweeney & a few others have well & truly squared up since, i'm sure r&b will agree

[robranosgod]

there has always been a story, hopefully apocryphal that after GL beat PA in the grand final by about 9 points that the umpire left adelaide with enough cash to buy a freehold house in Perth

The great Bob Quinn was furious about the umpiring until the day he died.

The fix was in!

well lawrie sweeney & a few others have well & truly squared up since, i'm sure r&b will agree

Old timers will always tell you that it was only the fact that Lawrie Sweeney went down with stomach cramps and had to be replaced half way through the last quarter of the 1960 Second Semi Final that enabled North to hold on and win that game by about 10 points against Port. Sweeney then wasn't appointed to the Prelim Final where Norwood beat Port to end Port's run of six premierships in a row.

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CD 2009 premiers
NW/PA/SA are the 3 teams they have not conquered as yet in Grand Finals

Who is the best performed team in an era ?
NW in the boer war times
PA in the 50s
ST in the 60s
CD in 2000s
?

I would say CD


The best team ST
But I didnt see PA in the 50s
Or NW !

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1934 Grand Final when GL defeated PA
This is from a person who is a keen SANFL historian
_____________________________________________________________________________
havent you heard of the stories of the 34 grand final
it was interesting time, it was the times of the great depression
between 1927-1935 all 8 teams won the flag, quite incredible

money was very scarce but betting was prolific in the depression
there has always been a story, hopefully apocryphal that after GL beat PA in the grand final by about 9 points that the umpire left adelaide with enough cash to buy a freehold house in Perth

I do find that hard to believe, but PA had thrashed GL by 10 goals in the second semi final and GL, after winning the 34 flag finished bottom in 1935

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Quite remarkable if all that is true !

Gee if you go through the Time Tunnel this was a game
Glenelgs first flag
Possible corruption
And more

These players were reported and charged
K Obst[PA] for throwing the footy at the umpire [frustrated ???] and got 12 weeks suspension
Alan Bull Reval[PA] for hacking suspended for 10 weeks
C Wightman [PA OR GL ???] threw the footy away suspended 1 week

I wonder if K Obst is related to Bubbles Trevor Obst who was a back pocket and medal winner in the 60s ?
In recent times I reckon Bubbles was driving a cab for a crust

[Magpiespower]

I wonder if K Obst is related to Bubbles Trevor Obst who was a back pocket and medal winner in the 60s?

Yeah, they're related.

Pretty sure Ken is Bubbles' and Peter's old man.

Also Andrew's grandfather...

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Is the OBST who recently played for CD related to the PA clan ?

I tellya what get all the DNA and semen off all the PA oBst's and clone it please
What a remarkable family

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Ok from a SANFL footy historian

Ken Obst PA
Father of Trevor Obst [PA] and Peter Obst[PA]
Peters son was Andrew[PA]

What a sire Ken is
3 generations of the Obst name
3 does not occur too often ?
If Ken was a premiership player that would make 3 generations of players to win flags


Norwood has a generation of players as well
Peter Aish [flag ?]
Sons Michael Aish and Andrew Aish [did Andy play in a flag ?]
Michaels son Jessie Aish [No flag as yet]

QUESTION
If Ken Obst played in a flag would the Obsts be the only family of 3 generations to win flags ?

Thers some double acts for flags
I reckon these siblings won flags [?]
PHILLIS
ROBRAN
JARMAN
GOWANS


Thanks for that info Jumping John
JJ reads the SANFL history room avidly


PS Magarey medalist Trevor Obst and runner up in a Mag medal Peter Obst grew up in the Torrens area, but played for PA under the father son ruling