1978 Grand Final

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Body positioning and keeping the arms free you mean? Instead of the tendency to find a grip on your ruck opponent?

[Adelaide Hawk]

Body positioning and keeping the arms free you mean? Instead of the tendency to find a grip on your ruck opponent?

Yes Spelly. When I was taught to ruck many years ago, you were taught specifically to make position and time your leap for the ball. You could make position by placing yourself between the ball and the opponent, or with bodywork. At no time are you permitted to use your arms for any other purpose but to tap the ball to your rover. It's all still there in the rules.

I'm not sure when it evolved into the sumo wrestle we currently see, but I first noticed a problem nearly 20 years ago when I was getting very annoyed by Justin Madden taking front position, looking back to where his opponent was, and then holding out his arm to prevent his opponent going for the ball. It is shepherding the ruck contest, it is illegal, but wasn't penalised once all afternoon.

Then we saw the tactic of a ruckman jumping early for the ball and coming down on top of his opponent to nullify the tap. Once again illegal, once again never penalised. Then we saw ruckman begin to use their hands to push each other in the contest ... illegal, not penalised ... and it finally evolved into them starting wrestling contest the moment the umpire bounces or throws the ball in.

If you really want to see ruckwork at it's most classic, find some footage of Bill Wedding (although it is rare), or maybe Graham Farmer and John Nicholls. Failing that, get a copy of the 1978 SANFL GF and watch how Davies and Button go about it. No cheating, just two very fine players trying to beat each other at their own game.

[godoubleblues]

I bought a copy from Dymocks in Rundle Mall during the week
now have the original copy and this updated version

[Adelaide Hawk]

I bought a copy from Dymocks in Rundle Mall during the week
now have the original copy and this updated version

How do the two versions compare?

[leftlegger]

If you really want to see ruckwork at it's most classic, find some footage of Bill Wedding (although it is rare), or maybe Graham Farmer and John Nicholls. Failing that, get a copy of the 1978 SANFL GF and watch how Davies and Button go about it. No cheating, just two very fine players trying to beat each other at their own game.

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.
Super was rarely if ever beaten at a boundary throw in. He had a great technique of getting around those 'shepherding' ruckmen. Ask Kym Hodgeman or Tony McGuinness if he was any good.

[JK]

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.

Whilst not direct opponents, don't think you would have seen it in the 75' or 82' Granny's .

[am Bays]

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.

Whilst not direct opponents, don't think you would have seen it in the 75' or 82' Granny's .

Carey played CHF in the 75 GF. Neil Kerley admits he "pulled the wrong rein" at 3/4 time in the 75 GF. He took Tregenza off and put Wayne Phillis into the Ruck. He later admitted he should have put Peter Carey into the Ruck and left Phillis ot CHB.

Makes the ommission of Carey from the Hall of Fame even more galling - a gun at CHF and in the Ruck....

[JK]

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.

Whilst not direct opponents, don't think you would have seen it in the 75' or 82' Granny's .

Carey played CHF in the 75 GF. Neil Kerley admits he "pulled the wrong rein" at 3/4 time in the 75 GF. He took Tregenza off and put Wayne Phillis into the Ruck. He later admitted he should have put Peter Carey into the Ruck and left Phillis ot CHB.

Makes the ommission of Carey from the Hall of Fame even more galling - a gun at CHF and in the Ruck....

No question about any of that, but Button had a day out on the day and I don't think anyone would have dominated him ... Carey might have quelled his influence, but I don't believe he would have completely removed the Bears influence.

IIRC Tardiff spent some of the game in Ruck and had a stinker

[am Bays]

Tardiff/Tregenza wasn't sure who it was, it was before i started supporting the BAys and for obvious reasons have never watched the game apart from a few highlights on the Tigers of Old DVD, and no CP I am not interested in borrowing your copy...

[leftlegger]

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.

Whilst not direct opponents, don't think you would have seen it in the 75' or 82' Granny's .

No probably not. .... Lets not go there.
Dont get me started on the 75 GF. My most bitter football memory.

Back on topic.
Anyone know the cost of the new version of the book?

[JK]

From memory it's about $25 mate

[Adelaide Hawk]

Back on topic.
Anyone know the cost of the new version of the book?

I saw it for $19.95 in a book store on the Parade.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Or to see an absolute master at work, find some footage of Peter Carey, probably towelling up Button or Davies.

Whilst not direct opponents, don't think you would have seen it in the 75' or 82' Granny's .

Carey played CHF in the 75 GF. Neil Kerley admits he "pulled the wrong rein" at 3/4 time in the 75 GF. He took Tregenza off and put Wayne Phillis into the Ruck. He later admitted he should have put Peter Carey into the Ruck and left Phillis ot CHB.

Makes the ommission of Carey from the Hall of Fame even more galling - a gun at CHF and in the Ruck....

And Button was CHF in Norwood's Team of the Century

[Psyber]

And Button was CHF in Norwood's Team of the Century

Yes and one of the best of CHFs, after his ankles [I think it was] curtailed his rucking capacity to some extent.

[JK]

And Button was CHF in Norwood's Team of the Century

Yes and one of the best of CHFs, after his ankles [I think it was] curtailed his rucking capacity to some extent.

Certainly a great of the club, but I reckon he claimed that position by default, ie, by virtue of the fact that we've never had a great CHF ... Bear's best years were behind him when he played there and whilst he was pretty useful there, wasn't dominant as such.

[Squawk]

How do the two versions compare?

The latest version has an extra chapter at the end and that's basically it.

At the Hall of Fame this year, 28 described the incident along the lines as follows:

He had become aware that Jack didn't like 'Meatheads' and that included himself, Phillis and Thiel and so it was resolved with Wally Miller and Bob Hammond that if they got the opportunity to upset Jack, they would. When 28 got near the box at a passage of play, he visited the box, patted Shearman on the head and more or less departed.

Gary Mutton came on in the dying minutes and had a shot at goal which was smothered by Danny Jenkins I think. Last time I spoke to Gary, his daughter was the other half of Ben Warren.

AH is right about the Bagshaw photo story too based on what was also said at the Hall of Fame night which doubled as the 78 Premiership team celebration. I think the team also had their own separate celebration that week in June (?), too.

Highlights of the 78GF are here:

http://www.norwoodfc.com.au/redlegstv/vault/rtv_vault.htm

[JK]

I guess it's to be expected as the book is written from a Sturt perspective, but I reckon it's pretty biased in patches ... For someone to point out the frailties of the club back at the time, he then also looks for every excuse as to why they lost imho.

Oh, and just BTW, hitouts for the game fell in favour of Norwood 48-13

[sturtpeter]

Norwood deserved winners.

Outcoached and played by Hammond and 28 Johnny Wynne.

Bad kicking's bad Footy.

[godoubleblues]

How do the two versions compare?

The latest version has an extra chapter at the end and that's basically it.

At the Hall of Fame this year, 28 described the incident along the lines as follows:

He had become aware that Jack didn't like 'Meatheads' and that included himself, Phillis and Thiel and so it was resolved with Wally Miller and Bob Hammond that if they got the opportunity to upset Jack, they would. When 28 got near the box at a passage of play, he visited the box, patted Shearman on the head and more or less departed.

Gary Mutton came on in the dying minutes and had a shot at goal which was smothered by Danny Jenkins I think. Last time I spoke to Gary, his daughter was the other half of Ben Warren.

AH is right about the Bagshaw photo story too based on what was also said at the Hall of Fame night which doubled as the 78 Premiership team celebration. I think the team also had their own separate celebration that week in June (?), too.

Highlights of the 78GF are here:

http://www.norwoodfc.com.au/redlegstv/vault/rtv_vault.htm

also a forward by Jim Derrington

[GWW]

How did they get him out of church?