by Mr66 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:40 pm
by spell_check » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:51 pm
by Mr66 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:36 pm
by Leaping Lindner » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:10 pm
by Mr66 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:12 pm
by Ecky » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:41 pm
Dion Hayman wrote:One word to remember... football statisticians have long debated as to the date from when records should be kept - 1897, the beginning of electorate football where players were compelled to play for the club in whose district they lived or 1907 when the SAFA changed its name to the South Australian Football League.
As insignificant as a name change would seem to be to a sporting body, it hardly seems fair to include matches in club statistics prior to 1907 where for instance, West Adelaide played matches without a full team.
Their 29-12 to 4-2 loss to Port at Alberton in 1903 was with only 13 men!
Matches were commonly forfeited or abandoned
by Leaping Lindner » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:05 am
Ecky wrote:This is Dion Hayman's justification for using 1907 as the starting point in his stats.
Taken from the introduction to his 1990 book of SANFL records:Dion Hayman wrote:One word to remember... football statisticians have long debated as to the date from when records should be kept - 1897, the beginning of electorate football where players were compelled to play for the club in whose district they lived or 1907 when the SAFA changed its name to the South Australian Football League.
As insignificant as a name change would seem to be to a sporting body, it hardly seems fair to include matches in club statistics prior to 1907 where for instance, West Adelaide played matches without a full team.
Their 29-12 to 4-2 loss to Port at Alberton in 1903 was with only 13 men!
Matches were commonly forfeited or abandoned
As a Glenelg statistician, I'm not particularly fussed which year is used, as we only began in 1920.
by Mr66 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:28 pm
by spell_check » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:12 pm
by JamesH » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:58 pm
by Leaping Lindner » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:52 pm
JamesH wrote:A big problem with pre-1897 matches is that many of them were against junior clubs (i.e. gawler, Kapunda) & interstate clubs. Recent research has revealed that the SAFA did not award a premiership or compile tables in its early years (same with VFA). YES - this means that many of Norwood & south's listed premierships are not really premierships. Therefore it is difficult to decipher which matches are premiership matches
Fixed rosters didnt emerge until the 1890s and it is also my understanding that SA didnt adopt the modern scoring system until 1898.
Interestingly the VFA only keeps records from 1897 (modern scoring)
If the SAFA didnt reform as the SAFL in 1907, I would suggest 1897 as the start date. As the SAFA was relegated to reserve grade status in 1907 - I agree with the notion of using 1907.
Anyway refer to page 225 of the media guide for pre 1907 SA stats.
by Leaping Lindner » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:55 pm
Mr66 wrote:If West(or any other team for that matter) couldn't field compeitive sides , then tough.
I'm pretty sure country,amateur and junior comps who have had teams forfeit haven't scrapped the ENTIRE season because of one club's incompetance. Once again, I find it confusing to include one group of stats and ignore others because of the reasons given by assorted footy statisticians/historians.
by McAlmanac » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:26 pm
Mr66 wrote:If West(or any other team for that matter) couldn't field compeitive sides , then tough.
by JamesH » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:53 pm
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