Norwood Hall of Fame

[LEGS 11]

Interested to see that Norwood is creating their own Hall of Fame this season, with 35 inductees to be named.
For the record, this was the club's Top 35, in 1992. Whilst the panel members have changed significantly, can anyone see too many changes to this list.
Maybe Brett James may sneak in ? Depending on the criteria used, maybe Andrew Newton Jarman ?

1 WALTER SCOTT
2 MICHAEL AISH
3 JACK OATEY
4 MICHAEL TAYLOR
5 JOHN MARRIOTT
6 GARY MCINTOSH
7 ROBERT OATEY
8 DOUG OLDS
9 BILL WEDDING
10 ALICK LILL
11 RON KNEEBONE
12 SYD WHITE
13 TOPSY WALDRON
14 PHIL GALLAGHER
15 NEIL BUTTON
16 SAM GALLAGHER
17 BRUCE SCHULTZ
18 ALBERT SAWLEY
19 BUNNY DALY
20 ALBY BAHR
21 KEITH THOMAS
22 TOM WARHURST (Sen)
23 NEVILLE ROBERTS
24 ROY BENT
25 PERC McCALLUM
26 JOHN WYNNE
27 JOHN WOODS
28 GREG TURBILL
29 GUY STEPHENS
30 PETER AISH
31 HAROLD PAGE
32 TIGER POTTS
33 BILL McCALLUM
34 ALBY GREEN
35 DICK HOLMESBY

[Adelaide Hawk]

I would like to think they would add Roger Woodcock (267 games, 602 goals). I still can't believe he missed the Team of the Century. I also agree with Brett James, he should go in.

[Wedgie]

What did Gallagher (Phil) wear before no 14 or did he start after Chris Finneman finished?

[Adelaide Hawk]

What did Gallagher (Phil) wear before no 14 or did he start after Chris Finneman finished?

Those weren't guernsey numbers. Gags always wore 11.

[Wedgie]

What did Gallagher (Phil) wear before no 14 or did he start after Chris Finneman finished?

Those weren't guernsey numbers. Gags always wore 11.

I went and had a shower after my post and realised how stupid a post it was as soon as I turned the cold water on and everything clicked.
Silly Wedgie.

[am Bays]

Gee, some good names there that have caused me plenty of grief over the years. Fair rap for the blokes rated above McIntosh, who you hated but sure as hell respected. However if you are honest he was only hated becasue he was so good!!

What about big Ugo Colasante??

Legs 11 if they do a commemerative print will they put Macca in the Lycra guernsey?

[LEGS 11]

[quote="1980 Tassie Medalist"]Gee, some good names there that have caused me plenty of grief over the years. Fair rap for the blokes rated above McIntosh, who you hated but sure as hell respected. However if you are honest he was only hated becasue he was so good!!

[LEGS 11]

[quote="1980 Tassie Medalist"]Gee, some good names there that have caused me plenty of grief over the years. Fair rap for the blokes rated above McIntosh, who you hated but sure as hell respected. However if you are honest he was only hated becasue he was so good!!

Not sure that they'll seed them this time , but the batting order would possibly move around. For example, Macca now has a couple of Magarey Medals added to his name.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I went and had a shower after my post and realised how stupid a post it was as soon as I turned the cold water on and everything clicked.
Silly Wedgie.

We all have our 'blonde' moments. It must be the heat

[McAlmanac]

These things are always fraught with danger. Surely Woodcock is a monty. The Norwood experts may be able to comment on my hypotheticals:

Aish at No. 2 ahead of, say, Jack Oatey - fresh in the memory at that stage?
Michael Taylor so high - a great player, but Norwood's fourth greatest? Admittedly, a fine leader.
Keith Thomas ahead of John Wynne. Great skills, but I always thought he was a receiver; Wynne was the spiritual leader of the 70's.
Neil Button - good solid player, but a bit over the odds at 15?
Not saying he's in the 35, but how close would Rod Seekamp have been?
How close Haydn Bunton Jr?

[LEGS 11]

True enough. Type of exercise, where there is never total agreement.
For example, Neil Button was named as the CHF in the Team of The Century.
No doubt in my mind he would be in the top 35. However, given he only played a couple of seasons in that possie, very late in his career, I'm sure the club has had players better suited to that position over the years -- but apparently not.

[Adelaide Hawk]

True enough. Type of exercise, where there is never total agreement.
For example, Neil Button was named as the CHF in the Team of The Century.
No doubt in my mind he would be in the top 35. However, given he only played a couple of seasons in that possie, very late in his career, I'm sure the club has had players better suited to that position over the years -- but apparently not.

Best CHF I saw at Norwood was Ross Dillon, a 'markologist' but he probably didn't play long enough to be included in a Hall of Fame (although he did play 114 games). I've heard John Lill was very good as well, but he retired just before I started watching footy. I was actually very disappointed by Norwood's Team of the Century, I thought other clubs did a better job. Having said that, I think Glenelg got it right refusing to place a team and just naming a Hall of Fame. Much fairer IMHO.

[Adelaide Hawk]

These things are always fraught with danger. Surely Woodcock is a monty. The Norwood experts may be able to comment on my hypotheticals:

Aish at No. 2 ahead of, say, Jack Oatey - fresh in the memory at that stage?
Michael Taylor so high - a great player, but Norwood's fourth greatest? Admittedly, a fine leader.
Keith Thomas ahead of John Wynne. Great skills, but I always thought he was a receiver; Wynne was the spiritual leader of the 70's.
Neil Button - good solid player, but a bit over the odds at 15?
Not saying he's in the 35, but how close would Rod Seekamp have been?
How close Haydn Bunton Jr?

There are many at Norwood who rate Aish the greatest Norwood player of the post-war era, if not all time. He's certainly the best Norwood player I've seen. Michael Taylor had to rate highly as he won 6 Club Champion awards and probably would have won more had he not spent 4 years at Collingwood. I'd find it very hard to draw any comparison between Thomas and Wynne. Thomas the more gifted player, Wynne was one who gave 100% to the Norwood Football Club. As you say, he was the spirit of Norwood through a very successful era.

Button was the second best Norwood ruckman I saw after Bill Wedding, but it was hard to find a spot for him ahead of Wedding and John Marriott. Having played 289 games and 4 premiership teams I guess they thought CHF was his spot. I would have placed him on the bench, certainly a Norwood great. Rodney Seekamp was a rolls royce in the Alex Jesaulenko mould. He never appeared to be out of 2nd gear at any time, but very few opponents ever laid tackles on him. A very gifted player but I wouldn't place him amongst the greats of all time. He'd be in the next level I would think.

The Haydn Bunton debate is an interesting one. Certainly one of the greats of Australian Football, he appeared to have done it all. Coached and played premierships, won medals, gained All-Australian selection, the list goes on. However, his record as a player at Norwood was perhaps a little modest in comparison with what he achieved elsewhere. Maybe he should be in the Hall of Fame, but I wouldn't be disappointed if he missed out.

[LEGS 11]

I think in Button's case, it was a matter of trying to fit 3 ruckmen (Wedding, Marriott, and Button) into the one side.
Not unlike some of the State sides of the past, where selectors were crticised for picking 4 or 5 centremen, and playing them as HFF's, etc.

[Leaping Lindner]

From what I have read and understand of pre-1897 football in this state John "Bunny" Daly at #19 is way too low. I would have him in at least the top ten.

[LEGS 11]

I know he only played 58 games for the club, and comes with all the extra baggage, but on sheer ability alone, would Phil Carman be a chance to make the list ?
Wally Miller was once quoted as rating "Fab Phil" the most talented footballer he'd ever seen at Norwood, and Wally is chairman of selectors, this time around.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I agree with Wally Miller. In terms of pure ability, Phil Carman was the best player I saw at Norwood and I saw very few players anywhere with equal or superior ability. However, as you say he didn't play much for Norwood and that would probably preclude him from Hall of Fame selection. I would like to add that in my time as a junior player at Norwood, the support we got from Robert Oatey, John Wynne and Phil Carman was fantastic. Carman was a very good club man. Also, if he didn't have to stand out of footy for 2 years (thanks Collingwood), he may have played 100 games. I will never understand why Carman went to Collingwood in 1975 after they'd treated him so poorly.

[McAlmanac]

I will never understand why Carman went to Collingwood in 1975 after they'd treated him so poorly.

Was he "legally" (via the rules of the day) tied to Collingwood in some way? Did he play at Edenhope in those two years?

I had Phil Carman at the Channel 9 Football Coaching School in the North Parklands when I was a kiddie.

[Adelaide Hawk]

I will never understand why Carman went to Collingwood in 1975 after they'd treated him so poorly.

Was he "legally" (via the rules of the day) tied to Collingwood in some way? Did he play at Edenhope in those two years?

I had Phil Carman at the Channel 9 Football Coaching School in the North Parklands when I was a kiddie.

I don't know if Carman was obligated to Collingwood in any way. Maybe they had a law that said a player needed to be cleared back to his VFL club first. What happened with Carman was when he came to Adelaide in the late 1960s, the Norwood Football Club provided employment for his mother and also paid for Carman's education at King's College (now Pembroke). In 1970 Norwood applied to Collingwood for a clearance. According to the rules, Collingwood needed to respond by a certain date. Failure to do so saw the AFC grant a clearance to Norwood.

His first game against Port Adelaide at the Parade was a sensation, and after round 3 was added to the state squad. Collingwood began to take notice and decided to challenge the clearance. After round 10 the AFC ruled that the previous clearance was null and void, and Carman was legally a Collingwood player. As Carman felt an obligation to the Norwood Football Club he refused to play for Collingwood which meant he had to stand out of football.

In 1971 Carman badly injured his knee meaning he would be out of football for a further 12 months. Collingwood, not wishing to have to pay medical costs quickly granted a clearance to Norwood. Carman wasn't able to resume playing until Round 7 1972 against Woodville at Woodville Oval where he kicked 3 goals and played very well.

After a while, Collingwood saw he had lost none of his ability and tried to revoke Carman's clearance once more but this time the AFC turned their application down. They continued to make offers to Carman right up to the end of the 1974 season when he finally agreed to transfer to the VFL. If it were me I would have told Collingwood to take a run and jump, but Carman's decision was his to make.