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I think Crouch's looked worse because of how he ended up contacting him but would argue he was more controlled. It looked like a player with 10 years experience coming up against one with 5 games experience. If he was coming up against someone of his own age the player protects himself the same way, they get to the ball at the same time and probably both bounce off fine.

Young players know if they bend over with their head over the ball then they are untouchable. Slight contact gets a free but the damage can be so much worse.

In Butters case it just looked reckless more than a deliberate attempt, gets him high doesn't touch the ball at all but Banfield continues on with the playing the ball so as per the AFL being more worried about the optics than preventing a bad outcome he is free to play. Also think time of game helps him as well, Umpires being scared of influencing another close game late probably let it go. Earlier in the game that probably gets paid as a free.

Booney wrote:

Armchair expert wrote:If we are truly about protecting the head then whether the player was going for the ball is completely irrelevant is it not?

That's the end of our game then. Was fun while it lasted.

It’s where it’s headed unfortunately

amber_fluid wrote:

Booney wrote:

Armchair expert wrote:If we are truly about protecting the head then whether the player was going for the ball is completely irrelevant is it not?

That's the end of our game then. Was fun while it lasted.

It’s where it’s headed unfortunately

If you ask my old man and lots of other people his age, it ended a few years ago

Top level football has never been harder, tougher or more physically demanding to play.

Is it better? Who knows, but it certainly is harder.

Booney wrote:Far more dangerous.

Can't agree. The Carlton bloke contributed like a lot of players, seeing what's coming and put their heads down to wear it for the free.
Butters was pure and simple super lucky.
Both were as dangerous as one another.
Yes Crouch's looks worse for the neck and spine and definitely dangerous but Butters, had the Carlton bloke not pulled back, could've taken his head clean off.

Booney wrote:Top level football has never been harder, tougher or more physically demanding to play.

Is it better? Who knows, but it certainly is harder.

100% the modern footballer is bigger, stronger and faster than ever before. That equals greater damage from collisions.

tigerpie wrote:

Booney wrote:Far more dangerous.

Can't agree. The Carlton bloke contributed like a lot of players, seeing what's coming and put their heads down to wear it for the free.
Butters was pure and simple super lucky.
Both were as dangerous as one another.
Yes Crouch's looks worse for the neck and spine and definitely dangerous but Butters, had the Carlton bloke not pulled back, could've taken his head clean off.

So one certainly placed the players neck and spine in danger and the other might have been the first ever AFL decapitation. Righto.

there are players out there who certainly lack any sort of awareness and are therefore a danger to themselves and those around them

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:there are players out there who certainly lack any sort of awareness and are therefore a danger to themselves and those around them

Justin Koschitzke was the master of non-spacial awareness.

Booney wrote:

tigerpie wrote:

Booney wrote:Far more dangerous.

Can't agree. The Carlton bloke contributed like a lot of players, seeing what's coming and put their heads down to wear it for the free.
Butters was pure and simple super lucky.
Both were as dangerous as one another.
Yes Crouch's looks worse for the neck and spine and definitely dangerous but Butters, had the Carlton bloke not pulled back, could've taken his head clean off.

So one certainly placed the players neck and spine in danger and the other might have been the first ever AFL decapitation. Righto.

You know what I mean!
The blokes head/neck injuries would've been terrible other than a bit of rare awareness.

Booney wrote:Top level football has never been harder, tougher or more physically demanding to play.

Is it better? Who knows, but it certainly is harder.

Harder to watch, that's for sure. The game has been tinkered too much, often as a knee-jerk reaction to a small sample of incidents.

Vamos wrote:

Booney wrote:Top level football has never been harder, tougher or more physically demanding to play.

Is it better? Who knows, but it certainly is harder.

Harder to watch, that's for sure. The game has been tinkered too much, often as a knee-jerk reaction to a small sample of incidents.

Probably your best post before 2am

Would we all agree the mid to late 90's would be the era would want to see return if that was possible.

Surely its not the 70's/80's where blokes were getting coward punched on a regular basis. Hip and Shoulder was more hip and elbow raised than actual shoulder.

For mine it has to be the 90's where the bump was still alive and well but the beginning of serious professionalism meant we saw the footballers become amazing athletes as well.

By the early 2000's we saw the game maybe becoming too professional with coaches and coaching teams having far to much time on their hands creating the super floods etc.

sounds good in theory, but if we go back to the 90s when knocking people out legally was a thing, then after the law suits have finished we will not have a game left.

Need to protect the head, and if that means the game changes then so be it.

Best part of the mid 90s was the lack of structures - it really was 1v1 footy and the team with the best 21 players won.

No zones or presses, no 6-6-6, key forwards vs key backs, quality ball hunters pig-feasting out with big numbers, not everyone was same size, fast + direct ball movement.

Except when you played West Coast

Malthouse was he pioneer of the win by restricting the opposition to under 10 goals in the early 90s and it won him two flags

Carlton 1995 were the first to catch on to the pressure acts 1%ers theory - they had a target of 75 per match to ensure a win.

Parkin presented on this at a conference in Jan 1996 - Pagan and Sheedy were interested observers in the audience...

For mine the mid to late 80s is the best period culminating in the best GF I've seen (excluding 73, 85, 86, 19 and 23) the 1989 VFL GF. Two teams that just put the foot down and played hard win the ball footy and scored 42 goals.

am Bays wrote:Except when you played West Coast

Malthouse was he pioneer of the win by restricting the opposition to under 10 goals in the early 90s and it won him two flags

Carlton 1995 were the first to catch on to the pressure acts 1%ers theory - they had a target of 75 per match to ensure a win.

Parkin presented on this at a conference in Jan 1996 - Pagan and Sheedy were interested observers in the audience...

For mine the mid to late 80s is the best period culminating in the best GF I've seen (excluding 73, 85, 86, 19 and 23) the 1989 VFL GF. Two teams that just put the foot down and played hard win the ball footy and scored 42 goals.

Both sides would've had about 10 blokes out for round 1 the following season because of reports

woodublieve12 wrote:

am Bays wrote:Except when you played West Coast

Malthouse was he pioneer of the win by restricting the opposition to under 10 goals in the early 90s and it won him two flags

Carlton 1995 were the first to catch on to the pressure acts 1%ers theory - they had a target of 75 per match to ensure a win.

Parkin presented on this at a conference in Jan 1996 - Pagan and Sheedy were interested observers in the audience...

For mine the mid to late 80s is the best period culminating in the best GF I've seen (excluding 73, 85, 86, 19 and 23) the 1989 VFL GF. Two teams that just put the foot down and played hard win the ball footy and scored 42 goals.

Both sides would've had about 10 blokes out for round 1 the following season because of reports

Only two reports Dipper and Cameron for Geelong both for striking

Injuries, now that's another story if Geelong had a kicked another goal

am Bays wrote:

woodublieve12 wrote:

am Bays wrote:Except when you played West Coast

Malthouse was he pioneer of the win by restricting the opposition to under 10 goals in the early 90s and it won him two flags

Carlton 1995 were the first to catch on to the pressure acts 1%ers theory - they had a target of 75 per match to ensure a win.

Parkin presented on this at a conference in Jan 1996 - Pagan and Sheedy were interested observers in the audience...

For mine the mid to late 80s is the best period culminating in the best GF I've seen (excluding 73, 85, 86, 19 and 23) the 1989 VFL GF. Two teams that just put the foot down and played hard win the ball footy and scored 42 goals.

Both sides would've had about 10 blokes out for round 1 the following season because of reports

Only two reports Dipper and Cameron for Geelong both for striking



Injuries, now that's another story if Geelong had a kicked another goal

only 2

Mark Yeates got away with attempted murder

woodublieve12 wrote:Mark Yeates got away with attempted murder

Good bump.