Dees Tanking

[Squids]

Some good news for the Crows, might take some of the focus away from them.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 28h3c.html


If found guilty this is a lot worse than what the Crows have done imo.

[scoob]

Some good news for the Crows, might take some of the focus away from them.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/t ... 28h3c.html


If found guilty this is a lot worse than what the Crows have done imo.

No need to investigate - they have a photo of the meeting!!!!

[Johno6]

happy looking bunch of fellas

[scoob]

happy looking bunch of fellas

Why wouldnt they be they have just worked out a fool proof way to get some high draft picks... Genius!!!

[Tassie Blues]

well they should be fined $1m not be in the next 4 drafts and not play for premiership points until the playes they drafted from tanking have finish playing. they are the biggest cheats every even bigger than Carlton!

[Hondo]

Cheating is the new black

I expect 30 pages from you blokes

[dedja]

don't get your hopes up, no-one gives a stuff about the Dees ...

[Jim05]

Most teams tank at some stage.
Teams that are not going to make the 8 quite often send players off to surgery before seasons end.
Ive head GWS and the Suns state all year they dont care about winning games they just want to try players out in differant positions and rest players, isnt this a form of tanking?
Yet the AFL condone this

[RustyCage]

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/senior-demons-drove-tanking-20121030-28h3c.html

Senior Demons drove tanking

THE AFL has uncovered a secret meeting involving at least 15 members of the Melbourne football department in which coaches were reminded of the importance of forfeiting matches in order to gain early draft picks.

Former Melbourne football boss Chris Connolly addressed the 2009 meeting, which it is believed was code-named ''the vault''.
The term vault relates to where the meeting took place - in the tin shed that runs between the two stands at Melbourne's old training ground at the Junction Oval. It is understood 15 people attended what began as a match committee meeting after the club's round 15 win over Port Adelaide, which was its second win in succession and lifted its tally for the year perilously close to its planned limit of four wins.

Connolly is understood to have urged those at the meeting to ''stay the course'', warning that Melbourne supporters and other stakeholders would come down on it should it fail to secure a prized priority pick, which the club would receive if it won just four games.
The club is now receiving legal advice after at least four witnesses were recalled by the AFL and admitted the club planned to deliberately lose games of football. Among those to have confessed the meeting took place upon being re-interviewed are former coach Dean Bailey and his then assistant Josh Mahoney. The AFL investigation continued today with those witnesses recalled, including Demons' former recruiting manager Barry Prendergast, now at Carlton.

It is not known whether the meeting referred to a specific game or cluster of matches. Melbourne had several suspicious losses in 2009 including successive defeats over rounds 17 and 18 respectively to Sydney (18 points) and Richmond (four points). The Demons won just four games in 2009, and were rewarded with the first two picks in the national draft, collecting Tom Scully (a priority choice) and Jack Trengove.

It is understood Melbourne remains determined to fight any sanction and is looking at the legal definition of ''tanking'' in a bid to redefine their actions and those of other clubs over the past decade. The club is expected to come before the AFL Commission as early as next month.

As many as 10 witnesses are understood to have rolled over under pressure from AFL investigators Brett Clothier and Abraham Haddad, the league's intelligence co-ordinator.

Mahoney, who is now in charge of the Melbourne football department, did not attend Monday's first official pre-season training session. Bailey, who has not returned calls from Fairfax, fears he could be suspended by the AFL for his role in the affair.
Now a senior assistant with the Adelaide Crows, Bailey came close to blowing the whistle on Melbourne last year at his final press conference, after he was sacked, but failed to reveal the meeting in a subsequent AFL investigation. Bailey has told colleagues he regrets following the club line, which the AFL could establish was driven from the top.

It is not clear whether Jim Stynes' legacy will be tarnished by the investigation. Stynes, who was club chairman from 2008 to 2012, only partially addressed the tanking issue in his 2012 book before he died. The AFL recently named a community scholarship in his honour.
Chief executive Cameron Schwab, who was not present at the Connolly meeting in question, is also being investigated for alleged incriminating conversations with coaches. Schwab, who almost lost his job last year before Bailey was sacked, recently signed a new three-year agreement with the club. Connolly was removed from the football department at the end of 2011 but still works at the club.
The AFL has also interviewed former Demon assistants Mark Williams, Scott West, Kelly O'Donnell and Sean Wellman. Club president Don McLardy said he would make no comment until the investigation was completed.

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou, who constantly defended the club, counselled Schwab at the time and repeatedly denied tanking was taking place, said he was remaining at arm's length from the inquiry given his role as an AFL commissioner.

In August this year Demetriou again said he did not believe tanking existed in football but described it as one of the game's worst crimes.
The investigation was sparked by former Demon Brock McLean after he spoke of his misgivings about the club's manipulation of games on Fox Footy in July.

At least one other former player, Melbourne's then captain James McDonald, has also been interviewed although it is not known whether he has been recalled.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Oh sh!t What will andy dee's legacy be as he said tanking does not happen in the AFL.

Makes you wonder how the AFL can continue to turn a blind eye to such things as Salary Cap / Draft Tampering & Tanking.

Melbourne would be guilty of both tanking and draft tampering.

The AFL are that interested in setting up new teams at GWS & Gold Coast that they have taken their eyes off the other problems in the AFL.

They have been continually told about the tanking but did nothing & the Kurt tippett rumour has been going on for several years but nothing looked into about it.

They are that worried what people say on twitter and facebook they miss the big issues.

Andy Dees reign is starting to look a bit tainted and the sooner he goes that better and takes his little 5ft afternoon shadow Adrian Anderson with him the better.

[David Brent]

If they are found guilty & lose their early draft picks what happens with Viney does the AFL send him back to the draft as the dees wouldnt have a pick low enough to claim him?

[Dog_ger]

Isn't this a legal loop hole in the rules.

Very hard to prove.

Play On.

Is it time for a 2 Division AFL Competition?

[Brad]

I think there is something to them tanking with the priority pick rule at the time the AFL encouraged it!

I also can remember watching a Melbourne V Carlton game in the final round of 2007 and Carlton needed to lose to ensure they got Kruezer and it wasn't their best effort.

[Turbo]

well they should be fined $1m not be in the next 4 drafts and not play for premiership points until the playes they drafted from tanking have finish playing. they are the biggest cheats every even bigger than Carlton!

Not quite as bigger cheats than the crows though

[gossipgirl]

well they should be fined $1m not be in the next 4 drafts and not play for premiership points until the playes they drafted from tanking have finish playing. they are the biggest cheats every even bigger than Carlton!

Surely nothing compares to Carlton

[drifter]

if the Crows and Dees lose draft picks, I'm assuming this will mean that everybodys draft ordef will change and they all get earlier picks. They would need to sort this out soon, you would think.

[stan]

if the Crows and Dees lose draft picks, I'm assuming this will mean that everybodys draft ordef will change and they all get earlier picks. They would need to sort this out soon, you would think.

Ypu would think so. But thats a bit like asking TSG not to be a dickhead.

Looks like I've hurt someones feelings.

Nah mate just trying work a bit of humour through. Dont seem to be winning though.

[MAY-Z]

now it seems that if the afl cant proove you cheated, they will fine you not supplying them with the proof

dees should be worried about that

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

[gutterboy]

dont know how u can tank....to many players on the field to tank....lot different than other sports like being a jockey etc.....i'm in my 40s and played footy for over 30 years every time u crossed that line was game on !!!!!

[GWW]

Its not so much the players themselves - it is more to do with selectin, coaching moves during games etc.