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Matthew Knights

Tim Watson

Robert Shaw

Ken Judge, geoff neesham, Peter knights, Garry Ayres

Jeff Gieschen

Robert Shaw a close second.

Peter rohde didn't last long
Damian Drum
Terry Wallace
Wayne Brittain to name a few. Not sure who the worst is/was though.

tedbullpit wrote:Robert Shaw

I think Robert was a better coach than many people give credit for. The majority of the 97/98 flag squad was assembled during his time people forget that.

I would rate Gary Ayres worse.

John Northey

Don't know about Ken Judge being the worst coach ever. Seems as though he was at Hawthorn and West Coast when they were ordinary, but came good just after, so was he a bad coach or did he do the ground work for others to come in and be successful?

Damian Drum, Wayne Brittain were on a hiding to nothing IMO, and probably mistakes by the club.

Robert Shaw I believe was held in high regard by all the Fitzroy players and they did reasonably well considering their lack of resources and losing players to other clubs. It would seem to me there were player attitude and cultural issues at the Crows in Cornes' last year and then Robert Shaw's tenure.

I've always wondered whether Neesham's style of play was a few years ahead of itself? Certainly the story of his handling of McLeod is pretty ordinary.

Actually, Chris Connolly...

Terry Wallace? No way, not the way he turned Footscray around

Tony Shaw

X Runna wrote:Matthew Knights

x2

add in Tim Watson

Damian Drum
Matthew Knights

Danny Frawley.

Gingernuts wrote:

tedbullpit wrote:Robert Shaw

I think Robert was a better coach than many people give credit for. The majority of the 97/98 flag squad was assembled during his time people forget that.

Agreed- Robert Shaw set up those Premierships

1. Matthew Nights by a mile.
2. Neil Daniher/Chris Conelly

Punk Rooster wrote:

Gingernuts wrote:

tedbullpit wrote:Robert Shaw

I think Robert was a better coach than many people give credit for. The majority of the 97/98 flag squad was assembled during his time people forget that.

Agreed- Robert Shaw set up those Premierships

1 - Shaw was there to coach, not recruit. Even if all the recruiting was thanks to Shaw (which it wasn't, see below), good recruiting doesn't make up for poor coaching.
2 - the only new players that played in the premiership team in 1997 brought in after Shaw left were Sampson, James, Keating & Rintoul. So Shaw had most of the premiership players at his disposal and couldn't win more than 8 or so games.
3 - While it's an impressive list of new recruits after Cornes was sacked, you can't credit every one of them to Shaw. Darren Jarman was a whole club effort as was McLeod. John Reid was heavily involved in recruiting from memory and James Fantasia was appointed as recruiting manager in 1995 so would have had a big say in the recruitment of Jarman, Caven, Koster, Goodwin, Ellen and possibly Vardy and Edwards. In fairness, I recall Caven saying Shaw was the man who got him to Adelaide.
4 - Ricciuto, Smart, Bickley, Pittman, Hart, Jameson, Rehn, Robran were all on the list pre-Shaw

Shaw set up the 97-98 premierships? No. The club from 1991 to 1996 (of which Shaw was a part and contributed in part) set up the 97-98 premierships.

I think Shaw's problem at Adelaide was that he wasn't the right fit at the time and probably he was more suited to being as assistant which he has done very well it seems since then and good on him for that.

Surely Tony Shaw gets a nom here. And I reckon Judge was dead set ordinary.

regards,

REB

Graham Cornes