Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:04 pmby Thiele
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:18 pmby Swooper16
If Bock does return then well done to the crows. Dont want to say anything about the actual incident (as i know the other threads have been closed) but more rather about how the crows have handled it.
If he does come back this week then i have no doubt that the crows hierarchy never meant any of this "making sure nathan is in the right frame of mind" and "whats best for Nathan" garbage. They acted quickly by suspending him indefinately that way the AFL could not then come in and slap say a 5 game ban on him like they have threatened to do to clubs who have players tarnishing the game for off field discretions.
AFL stated they are happy with the professional approach the crows have taken and are happy to let them deal with the issue. Now Bock looks as tho he is ready for a recall after only 1 week.
I dont know what a fitting punishment would be for this type of incident nor do i know anything about the incident other then what has been reported in the mainstream media. But to me this looks like the blueprint for all other clubs to follow when they have a player who has committed what is seen to be a major discretion but able to please the AFL and have them back on the park in minimal time.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:32 pmby Thiele
In Shirley and Bock
Out Gill and Stevens
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:32 pmby Booney
Great post Swooper.
Makes Adeliade look like they have taken the hard line ( which may be the case and Bock may well be ready for a return ), but when they said "when he is in the right frame of mind ", well once he sobered up and worked out what he had done from that point on IMO he was "in the right frame of mind".
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:44 pmby Dog_ger
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:46 pmby Thiele
The Teams
ADELAIDE v GEELONG
Adelaide
B: Graham Johncock, Ben Rutten, Andy Otten
HB: Jared Petrenko, Nathan Bock, Andrew McLeod
C: Michael Doughty, Scott Thompson, David Mackay
HF: Brent Reilly, Taylor Walker, Nathan van Berlo
F: Jason Porplyzia, Kurt Tippett, Bernie Vince
Foll: Ivan Maric, Simon Goodwin, Tyson Edwards
I/C: Robert Shirley, Brad Symes, Richard Douglas, Patrick Dangerfield
Emg: Brad Moran, Jonathon Griffin, Jarrhan Jacky
In: Bock, Shirley
Out: Nick Gill (hamstring), Scott Stevens (concussion)
Geelong
B: Andrew Mackie, Matthew Scarlett, Darren Milburn
HB: Joel Corey, Harry Taylor, Max Rooke
C: Jimmy Bartel, Corey Enright, Cameron Ling
HF: James Kelly, Cameron Mooney, Mathew Stokes
F: Paul Chapman, Tom Hawkins, Steve Johnson
Foll: Mark Blake, Joel Selwood, Gary Ablett
I/C: Shane Mumford, Travis Varcoe, David Wojcinski, Shannon Byrnes
Emg: Tom Lonergan, Ryan Gamble, David Johnson
In: Mumford
Out: Trent West
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:04 pmby Dog_ger
Violence against woman....
Yeah, 1 week is enough.
Who gives a sh1t...?
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:11 pmby HH3
The thing that got me about the Bock thing was HE declared HIMSELF ready to return. You would think they'd have someone not associated with the club, let alone the actual player for their opinion on when hes in a better frame of mind.
And the indefinant suspension being ONE week is pretty stupid. Maybe the AFL should have a knee-jerk reaction to this and make a rule that an indefinant suspension has a minimum of three weeks so clubs cant do what the Crows have done. Seeing Brad Symes on the news last night, it was like he was trying to paint Bock as the victim and that hes been hard done by by having to miss a couple of training sessions and a game. He wouldve got more than that if he did it on the field where its not considered a crime unless its very severe. What a load of crap. If a player in my team did what he REPORTEDLY did i would lose all respect for him, not try and defend him.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:12 pmby Hondo
hackham_hawk_3 wrote:The thing that got me about the Bock thing was HE declared HIMSELF ready to return. You would think they'd have someone not associated with the club, let alone the actual player for their opinion on when hes in a better frame of mind.
And the indefinant suspension being ONE week is pretty stupid. Maybe the AFL should have a knee-jerk reaction to this and make a rule that an indefinant suspension has a minimum of three weeks so clubs cant do what the Crows have done. Seeing Brad Symes on the news last night, it was like he was trying to paint Bock as the victim and that hes been hard done by by having to miss a couple of training sessions and a game. He wouldve got more than that if he did it on the field where its not considered a crime unless its very severe. What a load of crap. If a player in my team did what he REPORTEDLY did i would lose all respect for him, not try and defend him.
Several responses (you should listen to the Trigg interview on 5AA if it's on their website):
- Steven Trigg consulted with the AFL, Bocky's counsellor, the sports pyschologist who chairs their behaviour committee, even the women's shelter before before making his decision
- Bock declared himself ready if the club was ready to play him. It was Triggy's call however to play him and he clearly consulted very widely rather than relying just on Bock's opinion.
- As I said, Trigg consulted with the AFL and they agreed with his decision.
- Indefinite doesn't automatically a long time, it just means it's not defined if it's 1 week or 10.
My view is that, if the lesson has been learned, he is doing everything that he was asked to do and he is fully remorseful then nothing is gained for him or the team by keeping him out. The expert opinion Trigg received was that allowing Bock to return to a normal routine would rehabilitate him faster than making him disappear on a fishing trip on his own for 6 weeks (or whatever he was planning to do with himself).
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:39 pmby heater31
hondo71 wrote:
My view is that, if the lesson has been learned, he is doing everything that he was asked to do and he is fully remorseful then nothing is gained for him or the team by keeping him out. The expert opinion Trigg received was that allowing Bock to return to a normal routine would rehabilitate him faster than making him disappear on a fishing trip on his own for 6 weeks (or whatever he was planning to do with himself).
the crows have done the right thing they gave Nathan a list of things he must do in order to be considered for selection again obviously he got his act together and completed the list with only missing the one game and then said Ok I feel that I am ready to return what do you guys think? Triggy consulted with all parties concerned and came to the decision for him to play. Well done Adelaide and Nathan for getting everything in order so quickly
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:22 amby Swooper16
As i said i think the crows have played this one beautifully. At the end of the day their biggest concern is to win football games and having nathan Bock in the team gives them a greater chance of doing that (especially when Scott Stevens is out).
By giving him an "indefinate" suspension they have managed to keep the AFL from breathing down their neck then able to play him the next week. The next time a high profile player does something that could possibly bring the game into disrepute i think we will see whichever club it is go down this same path that Adelaide have done.
Of course had this been someone like Robert Shirley or Brad Moran then they would probably have had their contract terminated.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:27 amby silicone skyline
Dog_ger wrote:Violence against woman....
Yeah, 1 week is enough.
Who gives a sh1t...?
What are you talking about?
His actions were off-field, under the judicial system he's been awarded his penalty, as far as I'm concerned, he's done the crime, done the time and can get back into doing what he does best, playing footy for the Crows.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:39 amby Swooper16
silicone skyline wrote:Dog_ger wrote:Violence against woman....
Yeah, 1 week is enough.
Who gives a sh1t...?
What are you talking about?
His actions were off-field, under the judicial system he's been awarded his penalty, as far as I'm concerned, he's done the crime, done the time and can get back into doing what he does best, playing footy for the Crows.
he is yet to face court SS.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:40 amby silicone skyline
Ok, well, what I was insinuating is let the judicial system sort it out. The club has done the right thing so far.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:42 amby silicone skyline
Psyber wrote:http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/75062/default.aspx
Trigg said Bock had expressed genuine remorse over the incident and done everything expected of him over the past 10 days.
Bock was also fined $5,000 and ordered to undertake 50 hours of community service.
He also has a court appearance pending in June.
Trigg said he was confident the penalties were severe enough, despite Bock missing just the one game.
$5000 and 50 hours community service before he's even faced court.
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:44 amby Dirko
Swooper16 wrote:As i said i think the crows have played this one beautifully. At the end of the day their biggest concern is to win football games and having nathan Bock in the team gives them a greater chance of doing that (especially when Scott Stevens is out).
By giving him an "indefinate" suspension they have managed to keep the AFL from breathing down their neck then able to play him the next week. The next time a high profile player does something that could possibly bring the game into disrepute i think we will see whichever club it is go down this same path that Adelaide have done.
Of course had this been someone like Robert Shirley or Brad Moran then they would probably have had their contract terminated.
Well posted. Adelaide have said everything that's expected of them. I'd say if Adelaide were playing West Coast at home this week, instead of Geelong, then Bock would've been given another week off, to show everyone, that the Adelaide Football Club is serious.
Instead they've bought him back, and rolled out the consulting, remedy blah blah blah, talk, and we've done everything we possible could line...
If it was a youngster or a lesser light, no way would they be back so soon......
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:48 amby Q.
I wish Collingwood had been this WAP when it came to suspending Didak and Shaw last year
Re: Adelaide Vs Geelong
Posted:
Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:40 amby Gingernuts
Bocks case is an interesting one. You have to ask, what would happen in any other employment situation when a private domestic issue like this takes place.
The employer would probably give the individual some time off (maybe a week or so) to sort themselves out, and most likely suggest a counselling service. Performance monitoring would take place also to make sure domestic issues weren't affecting work performance. But that's where it ends really, after that it would be left to the individual and the judicial system to sort out.
As far as I'm concerned the Crows have gone over and above employee responsibility, imposing in house penalties and organising (rather than just referring) support and counselling.
My attitute is that 'those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'. I'm sure most of us have made a major mistake that we still regret to this day, we're just lucky that our actions are of no interest to the wider public.