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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:14 am

bennymacca wrote:Just on the buddy franklin issue - I'm impressed the footy community is at a point where people with mental health issues aren't ridiculed, because i don't think that was the case even 5 years ago.

Still got a long way to go on the two big ones though, racism and sexism


I just hope this is a mental health issue and its not being used to cover something else.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Feenix » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:16 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Just on the buddy franklin issue - I'm impressed the footy community is at a point where people with mental health issues aren't ridiculed, because i don't think that was the case even 5 years ago.

Still got a long way to go on the two big ones though, racism and sexism


I just hope this is a mental health issue and its not being used to cover something else.
Cynical, I know.

Pretty disrespectful to people with metal health issues if it isnt.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Magellan » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:45 am

Dogwatcher wrote:I just hope this is a mental health issue and its not being used to cover something else.
Cynical, I know.

Mmm. I share your sentiments, Dogwatcher.

The term 'mental health issues' appears to be the term relied upon by the club in their dealings with the media, but it has a pretty broad scope. It could be depression, for example, but (as far as I understand it) it could also be any form of addiction.

If Franklin's issue is the former, a la Mitch Clark, then why not say so? Clark's recent battles (as with others before him, such as Nathan Thompson) and an improved awareness in the general community thanks to organisations such as Beyond Blue etc have cleared a space for depression to be treated and recognised in the footy world with the respect, dignity and seriousness that it deserves. The sooner it's out there, the sooner Franklin's rehabilitation can begin, because the public will be 1000% behind his return to health. It would also assuage the concerns of the public about whatever his affliction is, given he is in the public spotlight. The longer 'mental health issues' are used as the reason, the sooner people will want to know what the actual issue is.

On the other hand, if it were the latter then I understand why it would be referred to under a more general description, for more 'political' reasons.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:48 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Just on the buddy franklin issue - I'm impressed the footy community is at a point where people with mental health issues aren't ridiculed, because i don't think that was the case even 5 years ago.

Still got a long way to go on the two big ones though, racism and sexism


I just hope this is a mental health issue and its not being used to cover something else.
Cynical, I know.


I've got a feeling the Swans will be quite transparent on this one as they see fit. One, as they get more information and two, as they deem acceptable to release it.

Certainly seems as though Buddy has some health issues that have been kept from the public for some time and we should all be ok with that, he's entitled to his privacy, despite what the media thinks.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:54 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Just on the buddy franklin issue - I'm impressed the footy community is at a point where people with mental health issues aren't ridiculed, because i don't think that was the case even 5 years ago.

Still got a long way to go on the two big ones though, racism and sexism


I just hope this is a mental health issue and its not being used to cover something else.
Cynical, I know.

Mental health pretty much covers everything, any illness that a person has can fall under the "mental illness" umbrella if they aren't coping with it.

This is why I hate and wont watch the news, there's something going on with the lad, it's his business and his employers, the rest of the world should respect that and not dig around trying to be the big story breaker for credit and financial gain.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:10 am

Yep exactly.

Who cares what his issues are - that's for him and his doctors
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:35 am

bennymacca wrote:Yep exactly.

Who cares what his issues are - that's for him and his doctors


Should the same have applied for Ben Cousins
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:36 am

whufc wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Yep exactly.

Who cares what his issues are - that's for him and his doctors


Should the same have applied for Ben Cousins


I think when the police start arresting people it becomes public interest. Otherwise, yes
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:50 am

I'm not urging the Swans or anyone to reveal Buddy's condition, it is between he and his doctors.
I just hope 'mental health issues' is not being used as a cover all.
As someone closely related to people who have had rehab and who also has dealt with family with mental health issues, I wish him all the best in his recovery. Whatever it is, it is not easy.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby woodublieve12 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:55 am

If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:58 am

whufc wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Yep exactly.

Who cares what his issues are - that's for him and his doctors


Should the same have applied for Ben Cousins

Na, he makes the news through breaking the law.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:59 am

woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp

No.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby woodublieve12 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:00 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp

No.

Much easier to stand out in a sh*t side (Cripps and hogan) than a good one I would've thought
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:04 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:I'm not urging the Swans or anyone to reveal Buddy's condition, it is between he and his doctors.
I just hope 'mental health issues' is not being used as a cover all.
As someone closely related to people who have had rehab and who also has dealt with family with mental health issues, I wish him all the best in his recovery. Whatever it is, it is not easy.


Probably a case of he has now does have mental health issues which have come from previous life style choices.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:06 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp

No.

Much easier to stand out in a sh*t side (Cripps and hogan) than a good one I would've thought


Would have been very close between hogan Cripps and Heeney.

If I had to pick one it would be hogan for mine. Has kicked more goals in his first year than basically anyone you can name in the last 20 years, and that's being the number one forward in a crap team.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:07 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp

No.

Much easier to stand out in a sh*t side (Cripps and hogan) than a good one I would've thought

I reckon it's the other way around, you play better football when you play with better footballers.

He's an excitement machine no doubt.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:07 pm

bennymacca wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp

No.

Much easier to stand out in a sh*t side (Cripps and hogan) than a good one I would've thought


Would have been very close between hogan Cripps and Heeney.

If I had to pick one it would be hogan for mine. Has kicked more goals in his first year than basically anyone you can name in the last 20 years, and that's being the number one forward in a crap team.


Agree
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:14 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:If Heeney didn't get injured this year, do you reckon he would have won the rising star award? I am a bit bias but I reckon he's the best rookie in the comp


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Booney wrote:Early Brownlow :
Josh Kennedy ( Syd ) $10 @ $21

Rising Star :
Tom Boyd $5 @ $12
Isaac Heeney $5 @ $15


Not huge money at stake, but yes, I think he would have won it.
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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Dols » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:31 pm

Anyone else hearing that Buddy is the first player to hit 3 strikes for illicit drug use, that would cause me to be depressed, losing a 10 million dollars contract[emoji16]


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Re: Sydney Swans 2015

Postby Jim05 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:02 pm

bennymacca wrote:
whufc wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Yep exactly.

Who cares what his issues are - that's for him and his doctors


Should the same have applied for Ben Cousins


I think when the police start arresting people it becomes public interest. Otherwise, yes

Still find it interesting that his little driving incident didnt get more air time. Wonder what the police tox reports were, it all got swept under the carpet by Sydney and the AFL pretty quickly
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