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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby JK » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:53 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
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woodublieve12 wrote:I saw a tweet or an article by Grant Thomas saying that the AFL should have done more to help Ben, which is ridiculous... Ben needs to want to help himself and if doesn't than the family (who have been put through hell because of him) need to put him in a facility which won't allow him to leave for a long period of time...

Another sad aspect the Ben Cousins saga is that this bloke is considered a god still by a lot of people..
The fact that I have seen people who openly bag goode people but on the same hand defend Ben to the end.


I think there's some schools of thought out there, that the AFL has it's drug policy wrong in the area of not informing the clubs when a player has failed a drug test. Obviously thats not going to cast a fool-proof net, because a player might not test positive. But if they do, and the club is made aware of it, the club can then work with the player on it and hopefully prevent it becoming a full blown threat to the players life (and those around him).

Obviously there's no guarantee this would have saved Ben Cousins from the path he's taken, but even if there's a small chance of "maybe", then personally I think it's something worth being in place.


Everyone is looking at this from the wrong angle..............the only person Ben has to blame is himself!!
It's not your employers responsibility when you cry foul of the law.


I don't see it as looking at it from the wrong angle - I don't think anyone would view Ben's problems (or those of any other junkie) as being problems caused by anyone but themselves.

Drugs are a scourge on society, and it's only going to get worse and worse, so society is always going to need to try and find ways to help get people off the gear before it irreparably damages lives. Of course no system can force an individual to get off it, but I think there needs to be systems in place to try and help.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:55 pm

"We applaud what you have overcome"

Poor bastard hasn't overcome anything. Such an insidious drug. I got into enough strife with just green and booze.

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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:00 pm

JK wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
JK wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:I saw a tweet or an article by Grant Thomas saying that the AFL should have done more to help Ben, which is ridiculous... Ben needs to want to help himself and if doesn't than the family (who have been put through hell because of him) need to put him in a facility which won't allow him to leave for a long period of time...

Another sad aspect the Ben Cousins saga is that this bloke is considered a god still by a lot of people..
The fact that I have seen people who openly bag goode people but on the same hand defend Ben to the end.


I think there's some schools of thought out there, that the AFL has it's drug policy wrong in the area of not informing the clubs when a player has failed a drug test. Obviously thats not going to cast a fool-proof net, because a player might not test positive. But if they do, and the club is made aware of it, the club can then work with the player on it and hopefully prevent it becoming a full blown threat to the players life (and those around him).

Obviously there's no guarantee this would have saved Ben Cousins from the path he's taken, but even if there's a small chance of "maybe", then personally I think it's something worth being in place.


Everyone is looking at this from the wrong angle..............the only person Ben has to blame is himself!!
It's not your employers responsibility when you cry foul of the law.


I don't see it as looking at it from the wrong angle - I don't think anyone would view Ben's problems (or those of any other junkie) as being problems caused by anyone but themselves.

Drugs are a scourge on society, and it's only going to get worse and worse, so society is always going to need to try and find ways to help get people off the gear before it irreparably damages lives. Of course no system can force an individual to get off it, but I think there needs to be systems in place to try and help.


Yeah I guess it doesn't matter what systems or policies you put in place there will always be exceptions to the rule.
Unfortunately for Ben he has always seemed the exception with any rules he has had in life.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby JK » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:14 pm

amber_fluid wrote:Yeah I guess it doesn't matter what systems or policies you put in place there will always be exceptions to the rule.
Unfortunately for Ben he has always seemed the exception with any rules he has had in life.


For sure, and sadly it's all too common and probably always be will be. But for every one that's helped and turns their life around for the positive, its better for everyone around them.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby tigerpie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:05 am

If his missus is using as well, they're doomed!
Those kids surely aren't in their care.

Anyone dealing this poison should go away for life!
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby carey » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:22 pm

Just watching a reply of 'on the couch' and heard geez West Coast are really missing X.Ellis??? I must of missed the stage Ellis become a great player! :shock: :shock:

Blokes been injured for what seems about 6 years
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:23 pm

carey wrote:Just watching a reply of 'on the couch' and heard geez West Coast are really missing X.Ellis??? I must of missed the stage Ellis become a great player! :shock: :shock:

Blokes been injured for what seems about 6 years


Shouldve won the Norm in 08 @51 ;)
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby carey » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:27 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
carey wrote:Just watching a reply of 'on the couch' and heard geez West Coast are really missing X.Ellis??? I must of missed the stage Ellis become a great player! :shock: :shock:

Blokes been injured for what seems about 6 years


Shouldve won the Norm in 08 @51 ;)



Oh ok injured for 7 years then. ;)
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby helicopterking » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:44 am

Not true. Not in our best 22. Body is unreliable.Should be delisted at seasons end.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby daysofourlives » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:34 pm

Being reported in Perth Ballantyne wants out of the Dockers and into the Eagles Nest, very interesting, would be a good fit for the Eagles I reckon
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby helicopterking » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:35 pm

[quote="daysofourlives"]Being reported in Perth Ballantyne wants out of the Dockers and into the Eagles Nest, very interesting, would be a good fit for the Eagles I reckon[/quote

I'd rather Fyfe
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby Jim05 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:10 pm

daysofourlives wrote:Being reported in Perth Ballantyne wants out of the Dockers and into the Eagles Nest, very interesting, would be a good fit for the Eagles I reckon

Also said he is open to offers from Melbourne clubs
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby Grahaml » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:43 am

Sounds very much like someone just doesn't think the Dockers will be a show in the near future. Agree he's be a good fit for WC. With Kennedy and Darling to feed off and he'd be one who could put some defensive pressure on.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby stan » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:14 am

Jim05 wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:Being reported in Perth Ballantyne wants out of the Dockers and into the Eagles Nest, very interesting, would be a good fit for the Eagles I reckon

Also said he is open to offers from Melbourne clubs

Basically said anywhere. Bit like Fyfe exploring his options as well. Maybe just looking or keen to get out. Who knows.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby helicopterking » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:06 pm

Fyfe for Darling and 2nd rounder. I'd take that.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby Jim05 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:16 pm

helicopterking wrote:Fyfe for Darling and 2nd rounder. I'd take that.

Of course you would. Darling was terrible again today
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby helicopterking » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:24 pm

But Freo with Cam McCarthy, Darling and Lobb is a serious forward line for 8-10 years.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby bennymacca » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:30 pm

GWS would be asking a LOT for lobb. And so they should.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby helicopterking » Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:40 pm

bennymacca wrote:GWS would be asking a LOT for lobb. And so they should.


Doesn't bother us, Freo's problem.
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Re: West Coast Eagles 2016

Postby stan » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:52 pm

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bennymacca wrote:GWS would be asking a LOT for lobb. And so they should.


Doesn't bother us, Freo's problem.

Freo will then be asking alot for Ballentyne to pay for Lobb and co. So it will become our problem because we won't want to give much away for him.
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