Carlton 2010

[lesthemechanic]

Fevola - 3, Henderson - 3. The trade is a draw so far.
I agree, Johnathon Brown was the difference, a great game by the captain, showed great leadership.

[Voice]

Disagree. We should have probably won. The only real difference was we kicked inaccurately and J Brown. Other than that it was a tough fought match where both sides showed plenty.
It shows Carlton aren't far off. The inclusion of Judd and Bower will help. I do agree that we need more depth but there would also a majority of teams that would say the same.

Not the good teams though. How many years of draft picks and building a group do we need before we get that depth, we should be at that stage now.
That first line is an interesting statement. What I get from that is we should have probably won even though The Lions kicking was better, they had a match winner etc, so they were the better team. How does that mean we should of won? We didn't just kick inaccurately for goal. We kicked inaccurately everywhere on the field. I don't think there is any way we should have even been in that game, let alone win.
Just a question. You don't think it was some of the worst footy you've seen in the first half? I watched it twice now and it is cringeworthy to me.
I understand we were still in it and that is all you can ask but I think that was more a reflection on Brisbanes mids than any good play from us (except for the 10 minute patch where we looked fantastic).
Another question, did you see all the ducking and pants shitting that was going on in the first half? How many years until we get bigger bodies. Joey Anderson ducked and spilled marks numerous times, Murphy watched players come at him and moved out of the way.
I'm not having a crack at you Turbo, it's interesting how people see things differently.
You got any comments on my assessment of the players and which to keep and which we still need to dump?

[gadj1976]

Voice, you talk about depth, but then say to get rid of the likes of Houlihan, Armfield, Anderson et al. Sorry but I don't get it...

Why would you ditch Setanta, Houlihan and possibly Thornton and Scotland? Just cos they didn't play that well? For every reason you put to the table, I'll counter it.

Thornton, good third man up. Dominated the backline last year as a third man, and he's only capable of playing on a third tall and peeling off to get to the contest as the third man. Yep, he pinched hit against Brisbane cos Bower was out. That meant not only were we Bower short, we were a third man up short.
Scotland - can't fathom why you'd want to move him on.
Armfield - young, keep
Anderson - depth player - ordinary but will pressure Browne and Armfield for their spots
Houlihan - ditto. His skills have improved out of sight in the past 2 years and is one of the better options we've got unfortunately.
Gibbs - needs a better coach. You're proving to be way off the mark.
Murphy doesn't need to toughen up. He needs to work on his skills
Russell - complete nuff nuff that bloke. Horrible, shouldn't be on the list.
Tell me who's going to replace Setanta?

You, I and every Carlton supporter out there needs to remember that we've just lost a 90-100 goal forward. They aren't going to easily be replaced. Yes, we've got a really good midfield but unless you've got the forwards (which Setanta isn't - he's pinch hitting for us) then we're not going to replicate our efforts from last season.

As I said in my previous post, I almost expect to win now, however I/we have to be realistic. Realistically this year we're only a "10th" side. We need to sort out where blokes are going to play. Remember this isn't the same side that played last year. We've got Warnock, Henderson and McLean making a difference to our spine.

I'll ask a very dumb question - did you expect to beat Brisbane up there?

[Voice]

I expected to see a team that going forward after 7 years of rebuilding. This year we look to be going backward again.
What I was basically trying to say was our recruiting has been shithouse. 7 years of top draft picks and we still have list cloggers on our list.
Funny you say that Houlihan has improved his skills in the last 2 years. Every Carlton supporter I've spoken to has said his skills have been the best in our team except for the last 2 years. He chops it up all the time now, Not sure what your seeing.
When I say we need depth, my point is that players are getting regular games now that shouldn't be.
Also funny that you say Anderson will put pressure on the likes of Armfield and Browne. How is that possible when those 2 don't, and shouldn't get a regular game. Funny statement that one.
Surely you've seen the improvement in Russell since he's been given a job to do. He's well ahead of some that just seem to never improve.
My comments weren't in relation to trying to fix these problems tomorrow, I was just trying to show how far we've still got to go before we can be a contender.
In relation to your question on whether I thought we'd beat Brisbane on Thursday night I'll put it in this perspective. In the 10 years we've been crap Brisbane have won 3 flags, dropped out of finals, rebuilt and are once again way ahead of us in the race to getting a flag. Simply not good enough my friend. Of course if your ok with that, enjoy the mediocrity coz i certainly don't.

[gadj1976]

I expected to see a team that going forward after 7 years of rebuilding. This year we look to be going backward again.

You're kidding? So you lose a near 100 goal full forward and you expect to go forward?

Voice, I just think your expectations are way more than most of the rest of the football world. We ALMOST beat Brisbane up there in our second game without our full forward of the previous 10 years, which was a great effort.

In the cold heart of day I agree with most of your points (not Browne/Armfield/Anderson nor Russell), but I can't work out why you'd reckon we'll go forward this year without Fev, that's all.

Remember when they were winning flags, we were the equivalent of a Melbourne or Richmond now. Hopeless, no spirit, no idea and no draft picks. Our base at that time was deplorable. To compare the two clubs will make you go crazy. If you try and do that, I could say "why aren't we better than Adelaide every year", cos they've never had a decent draft pick but they've hardly ever been outside the top 8. Why compare, it'll do your head in. It's not just about accruing no1 draft picks. No success has ever been attributed to having x amount of no1 draft picks.

Of course I don't want mediocrity, but for 11 years our guys have looked up and kicked it to Fev. Give them some time to get used to having Henderson, Kreuzer or Warnock up there.

[whufc]

I expected to see a team that going forward after 7 years of rebuilding. This year we look to be going backward again.

You're kidding? So you lose a near 100 goal full forward and you expect to go forward?

Voice, I just think your expectations are way more than most of the rest of the football world. We ALMOST beat Brisbane up there in our second game without our full forward of the previous 10 years, which was a great effort.

In the cold heart of day I agree with most of your points (not Browne/Armfield/Anderson nor Russell), but I can't work out why you'd reckon we'll go forward this year without Fev, that's all.

Remember when they were winning flags, we were the equivalent of a Melbourne or Richmond now. Hopeless, no spirit, no idea and no draft picks. Our base at that time was deplorable. To compare the two clubs will make you go crazy. If you try and do that, I could say "why aren't we better than Adelaide every year", cos they've never had a decent draft pick but they've hardly ever been outside the top 8. Why compare, it'll do your head in. It's not just about accruing no1 draft picks. No success has ever been attributed to having x amount of no1 draft picks.

Of course I don't want mediocrity, but for 11 years our guys have looked up and kicked it to Fev. Give them some time to get used to having Henderson, Kreuzer or Warnock up there.

I think Vocie means after 7 years of rebuilding we really should be a top 4 contender, instead we will be lucky to make the top 8, you can only rebuild for so long before your players should start taking resposnibilty.

There are players that have been on the Carlton list for 4-5 years and are still rubbish wtf.

[gadj1976]

I expected to see a team that going forward after 7 years of rebuilding. This year we look to be going backward again.

You're kidding? So you lose a near 100 goal full forward and you expect to go forward?

Voice, I just think your expectations are way more than most of the rest of the football world. We ALMOST beat Brisbane up there in our second game without our full forward of the previous 10 years, which was a great effort.

In the cold heart of day I agree with most of your points (not Browne/Armfield/Anderson nor Russell), but I can't work out why you'd reckon we'll go forward this year without Fev, that's all.

Remember when they were winning flags, we were the equivalent of a Melbourne or Richmond now. Hopeless, no spirit, no idea and no draft picks. Our base at that time was deplorable. To compare the two clubs will make you go crazy. If you try and do that, I could say "why aren't we better than Adelaide every year", cos they've never had a decent draft pick but they've hardly ever been outside the top 8. Why compare, it'll do your head in. It's not just about accruing no1 draft picks. No success has ever been attributed to having x amount of no1 draft picks.

Of course I don't want mediocrity, but for 11 years our guys have looked up and kicked it to Fev. Give them some time to get used to having Henderson, Kreuzer or Warnock up there.

I think Vocie means after 7 years of rebuilding we really should be a top 4 contender, instead we will be lucky to make the top 8, you can only rebuild for so long before your players should start taking resposnibilty.

There are players that have been on the Carlton list for 4-5 years and are still rubbish wtf.

I think under normal circumstances we would be pushing top 4. But we won't. We've lost our leading goalkicker, so let's be realistic.

[whufc]

I expected to see a team that going forward after 7 years of rebuilding. This year we look to be going backward again.

You're kidding? So you lose a near 100 goal full forward and you expect to go forward?

Voice, I just think your expectations are way more than most of the rest of the football world. We ALMOST beat Brisbane up there in our second game without our full forward of the previous 10 years, which was a great effort.

In the cold heart of day I agree with most of your points (not Browne/Armfield/Anderson nor Russell), but I can't work out why you'd reckon we'll go forward this year without Fev, that's all.

Remember when they were winning flags, we were the equivalent of a Melbourne or Richmond now. Hopeless, no spirit, no idea and no draft picks. Our base at that time was deplorable. To compare the two clubs will make you go crazy. If you try and do that, I could say "why aren't we better than Adelaide every year", cos they've never had a decent draft pick but they've hardly ever been outside the top 8. Why compare, it'll do your head in. It's not just about accruing no1 draft picks. No success has ever been attributed to having x amount of no1 draft picks.

Of course I don't want mediocrity, but for 11 years our guys have looked up and kicked it to Fev. Give them some time to get used to having Henderson, Kreuzer or Warnock up there.

I think Vocie means after 7 years of rebuilding we really should be a top 4 contender, instead we will be lucky to make the top 8, you can only rebuild for so long before your players should start taking resposnibilty.

There are players that have been on the Carlton list for 4-5 years and are still rubbish wtf.

I think under normal circumstances we would be pushing top 4. But we won't. We've lost our leading goalkicker, so let's be realistic.

Its realistic but its not good enough. In this day and age of the salary cap and draft picks each club only has a window of oppurtunity, ours is very quickly ending if we don't win a premiership within 3 years we probably won't win another won for another 20 years, that i can't accept.

[Bladder]

Thought we were terrible in the 4th qtr on Thursday. Can't afford to throw games away like that. Some brilliant stuff in the third qtr but just too inconsistent to make finals this year. Were gonna miss Fev big time and Henderson is a joke.

[Turbo]

Fevola - 3, Henderson - 3. The trade is a draw so far.
I agree, Johnathon Brown was the difference, a great game by the captain, showed great leadership.

Henderson is having a dip, and will only get better

[Turbo]

Disagree. We should have probably won. The only real difference was we kicked inaccurately and J Brown. Other than that it was a tough fought match where both sides showed plenty.
It shows Carlton aren't far off. The inclusion of Judd and Bower will help. I do agree that we need more depth but there would also a majority of teams that would say the same.

Not the good teams though. How many years of draft picks and building a group do we need before we get that depth, we should be at that stage now.
That first line is an interesting statement. What I get from that is we should have probably won even though The Lions kicking was better, they had a match winner etc, so they were the better team. How does that mean we should of won? We didn't just kick inaccurately for goal. We kicked inaccurately everywhere on the field. I don't think there is any way we should have even been in that game, let alone win.
Just a question. You don't think it was some of the worst footy you've seen in the first half? I watched it twice now and it is cringeworthy to me.
I understand we were still in it and that is all you can ask but I think that was more a reflection on Brisbanes mids than any good play from us (except for the 10 minute patch where we looked fantastic).
Another question, did you see all the ducking and pants shitting that was going on in the first half? How many years until we get bigger bodies. Joey Anderson ducked and spilled marks numerous times, Murphy watched players come at him and moved out of the way.
I'm not having a crack at you Turbo, it's interesting how people see things differently.
You got any comments on my assessment of the players and which to keep and which we still need to dump?

No comments about your player assessments. Too early in the season to judge

[Voice]

Fevola - 3, Henderson - 3. The trade is a draw so far.
I agree, Johnathon Brown was the difference, a great game by the captain, showed great leadership.

Henderson is having a dip, and will only get better

And he's only 20 years old. Plenty of upside there.

[Voice]

Disagree. We should have probably won. The only real difference was we kicked inaccurately and J Brown. Other than that it was a tough fought match where both sides showed plenty.
It shows Carlton aren't far off. The inclusion of Judd and Bower will help. I do agree that we need more depth but there would also a majority of teams that would say the same.

Not the good teams though. How many years of draft picks and building a group do we need before we get that depth, we should be at that stage now.
That first line is an interesting statement. What I get from that is we should have probably won even though The Lions kicking was better, they had a match winner etc, so they were the better team. How does that mean we should of won? We didn't just kick inaccurately for goal. We kicked inaccurately everywhere on the field. I don't think there is any way we should have even been in that game, let alone win.
Just a question. You don't think it was some of the worst footy you've seen in the first half? I watched it twice now and it is cringeworthy to me.
I understand we were still in it and that is all you can ask but I think that was more a reflection on Brisbanes mids than any good play from us (except for the 10 minute patch where we looked fantastic).
Another question, did you see all the ducking and pants shitting that was going on in the first half? How many years until we get bigger bodies. Joey Anderson ducked and spilled marks numerous times, Murphy watched players come at him and moved out of the way.
I'm not having a crack at you Turbo, it's interesting how people see things differently.
You got any comments on my assessment of the players and which to keep and which we still need to dump?

No comments about your player assessments. Too early in the season to judge

Fair enough. I am going on the last 4 years when I make those assessments though. Not just on how they've performed this year. I just reckon there's too many that just aren't up to it and would struggle to make any other list except Richmond and Melbourne.

[Turbo]

Disagree. We should have probably won. The only real difference was we kicked inaccurately and J Brown. Other than that it was a tough fought match where both sides showed plenty.
It shows Carlton aren't far off. The inclusion of Judd and Bower will help. I do agree that we need more depth but there would also a majority of teams that would say the same.

Not the good teams though. How many years of draft picks and building a group do we need before we get that depth, we should be at that stage now.
That first line is an interesting statement. What I get from that is we should have probably won even though The Lions kicking was better, they had a match winner etc, so they were the better team. How does that mean we should of won? We didn't just kick inaccurately for goal. We kicked inaccurately everywhere on the field. I don't think there is any way we should have even been in that game, let alone win.
Just a question. You don't think it was some of the worst footy you've seen in the first half? I watched it twice now and it is cringeworthy to me.
I understand we were still in it and that is all you can ask but I think that was more a reflection on Brisbanes mids than any good play from us (except for the 10 minute patch where we looked fantastic).
Another question, did you see all the ducking and pants shitting that was going on in the first half? How many years until we get bigger bodies. Joey Anderson ducked and spilled marks numerous times, Murphy watched players come at him and moved out of the way.
I'm not having a crack at you Turbo, it's interesting how people see things differently.
You got any comments on my assessment of the players and which to keep and which we still need to dump?

No comments about your player assessments. Too early in the season to judge

Fair enough. I am going on the last 4 years when I make those assessments though. Not just on how they've performed this year. I just reckon there's too many that just aren't up to it and would struggle to make any other list except Richmond and Melbourne.

Big game against the Bombers. We'll how well some of the so called depth players go in a blockbuster

[Rik E Boy]

If the Blues can't beat the Bombers it might be a while before they salute again.

regards,

REB

[The Jack]

Big game against the Bombers. We'll see how well some of the so called depth players go in a blockbuster

And how did that pan out for you Turbo??? So-called pretty well on the money do you think?

[overloaded]

carlton are week, 6 losses in a row coming up. no forward line. over reated midfielders

[Turbo]

Big game against the Bombers. We'll see how well some of the so called depth players go in a blockbuster

And how did that pan out for you Turbo??? So-called pretty well on the money do you think?

Average game. Our players need to stand up. Will be interesting to see how we go with Judd back next week. If we can't beat adelaide with massive injuries and winless we are stuffed.

[Turbo]

carlton are week, 6 losses in a row coming up. no forward line. over reated midfielders

I think you mean [b]weak[b]. Poor effort this week. Some players fighting for their careers in the next few weeks. Time to step up and show something seeing as though in the next month we are playing 3 of the top sides. Explain over rated midfielders

[Turbo]

Great win by the Blues this week, looks like they are heading in the right direction. Its a pity we glitched against Essendon and couldn't hold on against Brisbane