by Squids » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:41 pm
by The Big Shrek » Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:51 pm
Rik E Boy wrote:The Big Shrek wrote:Rik E Boy wrote:Cost you the game as well.....as kids we were told to attack the footy....dumbo and mates at work. As a kid you were told to put your head over the ball. Some clubs have confered with the umpiring fraternity and others have not. Generally I'm not in favour of new rules and a few I saw got penalised in the NAB were ridiculous but I don't have a problem with the Davey decision or the rule in general.
Put your head over the footy and get protected. Slide in like Eric Cantona and get pinged. Yep, the Crows lost at home and out come the tissues.
regards,
REB
Tex might have the same ability with sarcasm as you but he is not dumb. 99% of people agre with him. Reilly was the one putting his body on the line and acting with courage, not Davey. Sliding in like Cantona is a ridiculous comparison.
Football used to be a game of nuances, played at ground level, body on body and in the air. It is fast becoming homogenised.
What's next? A rule stopping players backing into packs to eliminate another avenue to injury?
Yep, he's a rocket surgeon I'm sure. I was talking about a soccer like tackle not Cantonna's karate abilities. Davey got knocked off his feet by someone sliding in, this has been outlawed, some clubs have sought clarification, the Crows have not. If Rielly got in low head first he would have won the free. You don't have to be as smart as Tay Tay to work that out.
Like it or not, it's here and I believe there are worse rules going around and I'm no KB fan. 99%, Hmmm, maybe if you are talking Crows supporters.
regards,
REB
by kickinit » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:19 pm
The Big Shrek wrote:Tex might have the same ability with sarcasm as you but he is not dumb. 99% of people agre with him. Reilly was the one putting his body on the line and acting with courage, not Davey. Sliding in like Cantona is a ridiculous comparison.
Football used to be a game of nuances, played at ground level, body on body and in the air. It is fast becoming homogenised.
What's next? A rule stopping players backing into packs to eliminate another avenue to injury?
by whufc » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:27 pm
kickinit wrote:The Big Shrek wrote:Tex might have the same ability with sarcasm as you but he is not dumb. 99% of people agre with him. Reilly was the one putting his body on the line and acting with courage, not Davey. Sliding in like Cantona is a ridiculous comparison.
Football used to be a game of nuances, played at ground level, body on body and in the air. It is fast becoming homogenised.
What's next? A rule stopping players backing into packs to eliminate another avenue to injury?
Tex is not dumb? well maybe you should read what he tweeted about. When ever have you seen a training drill that teaches you how to slide and pick up the ball? Sliding in to the ball is not attacking the footy, it's purley there to get the stoppage. What are you going to do with it once you slide and pick it up, your going to get a tackled and cause a stoppage. How many times do you see teams warming up and throwing the ball along the ground for the next player? do they slide in and pick it up? NO they bend over and pick the ball up. How dumb does a player have to be when they have just come off the NAB cup with the rule and know they aint allowed to slide to still do it.
by Sky Pilot » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:41 pm
by kickinit » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:57 pm
whufc wrote:Its called INSTINCT mate.
While no one trains to slide we as kids have been taught since the dawn of time to 'see football get football'
There 'was' many times in a game when a player would slide in win possesion and get the hands out. The next line would have been 'he wanted it more than his opponent'
Once again its a knee jerk reaction to one serious injury or fab of the week. The AFL are renowed for creating rules which create a by-product which they then have to make another rule on top of that. Classic example being the kicking in from a point before the flag was waived, meant teams used it as a tactic so instead of going back to the old rule they just brought in another rule on top of this.
Wont be long until there is a serious head injury from two blokes going in head down and then another rule will be created.
Its sad that the game kids play at the break of dawn for their local clubs isnt the same sport they play if they make it as a proffesional.
The saddest part to me is that the combination of ALL the rule changes has now made the game so the second person to the ball contest on the ground is in the prime position to win the football.
by whufc » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:05 pm
kickinit wrote:whufc wrote:Its called INSTINCT mate.
While no one trains to slide we as kids have been taught since the dawn of time to 'see football get football'
There 'was' many times in a game when a player would slide in win possesion and get the hands out. The next line would have been 'he wanted it more than his opponent'
Once again its a knee jerk reaction to one serious injury or fab of the week. The AFL are renowed for creating rules which create a by-product which they then have to make another rule on top of that. Classic example being the kicking in from a point before the flag was waived, meant teams used it as a tactic so instead of going back to the old rule they just brought in another rule on top of this.
Wont be long until there is a serious head injury from two blokes going in head down and then another rule will be created.
Its sad that the game kids play at the break of dawn for their local clubs isnt the same sport they play if they make it as a proffesional.
The saddest part to me is that the combination of ALL the rule changes has now made the game so the second person to the ball contest on the ground is in the prime position to win the football.
how many times when you slide in and there's a player there (where now you will give away a free kick) will you be able to get the hands off, not many. Most of the time that player will jump on top of you and more and likely you'll get called hold the ball or there will be a ball up. How many times you been to a game and heard a coach yell out "bend over and pick up the footy"? How many times as a kid where you told to put your head over the footy and hit the contest hard? and compare it to slide in and avoid the contest?
The funniest thing about this rule is how everyone is talking about it now. Everyone knew it was coming in and we played the entire NAB cup with it. But all of a sudden crows lose rd1 riley gets pinned for it and everyone is up in arms about it. Anyone would think they brought the rule in 5 mins before the start of the game.
by kickinit » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:16 pm
whufc wrote:Definatly not me im one of the biggest Crow haters on here.
I havent liked the rule from the beginning.
Like i said its not so much this one rule, its the chemistry of all the rule changes together which now mean the best postion when there is a contest on the ground is to be second to the ball and 'sweat of it' which goes against every players instinct in the game.
People arent taught to do full length diving smothers, how many times as a kid did you practise backing into a 4 man pack at full speed, its a part of the game which isnt taught but takes courage, determination and a will to win the football FIRST. imho this part of the game is slowly withering away.
This rule is only going to lead to another rule being inforced when something goes wrong here.
Is this rule being umpired all the way through to amatuer and junior football, its already hard enough to get umpires at any level never making the game almost 'impossible' for umpires due to their being a billion and one different grey areas and sets of rules that need to be learnt as you go through the grades.
by whufc » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:46 pm
kickinit wrote:whufc wrote:Definatly not me im one of the biggest Crow haters on here.
I havent liked the rule from the beginning.
Like i said its not so much this one rule, its the chemistry of all the rule changes together which now mean the best postion when there is a contest on the ground is to be second to the ball and 'sweat of it' which goes against every players instinct in the game.
People arent taught to do full length diving smothers, how many times as a kid did you practise backing into a 4 man pack at full speed, its a part of the game which isnt taught but takes courage, determination and a will to win the football FIRST. imho this part of the game is slowly withering away.
This rule is only going to lead to another rule being inforced when something goes wrong here.
Is this rule being umpired all the way through to amatuer and junior football, its already hard enough to get umpires at any level never making the game almost 'impossible' for umpires due to their being a billion and one different grey areas and sets of rules that need to be learnt as you go through the grades.
the best position on the ground is to get to the ball first and pick it up, always has been as will.
have a look what your reasons are that you dont like it.
1- you are saying that there is going to be another rule change on top of this. can be 100% sure there is, no your just thinking this.
2- every contest when the ball is on the ground a player is going to slide into it. look at the entire NAB cup and the first 2 games and how many times was this new rule paid and compared to how many times there was a contest and the ball was on the ground. majority of the time a player is going to pick the ball up as that what we where taught as kids.
the only players this is going to effect is the fairy's that are too scared to pick the ball up and get hit.
by kickinit » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:35 am
by whufc » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:00 am
kickinit wrote:Because majority of the time when a player slides in the other play sits on top and locks the ball. Compared to when you bend over pick up the ball you are more then likely to get tackled or a bump. You do as much research as you want on the other question but until the afl come out and say that there bringing in another rule then there isn't going to be another one. So to base your dislike for the current new rule that there MIGHT be a new one is pointless.
by gadj1976 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:14 am
whufc wrote:kickinit wrote:Because majority of the time when a player slides in the other play sits on top and locks the ball. Compared to when you bend over pick up the ball you are more then likely to get tackled or a bump. You do as much research as you want on the other question but until the afl come out and say that there bringing in another rule then there isn't going to be another one. So to base your dislike for the current new rule that there MIGHT be a new one is pointless.
Well in that case isn't that what the holding the ball rule is for, we don't need another complete rule to change that.
Clearly my dislike isn't based solely on there maybe another rule change its the fact there is another rule in place which now favours the footballer second to the ball, it's almost like taking benefit of the doubt away from the batsmen. I also don't believe sliding in to get the football while others hang around the pack waiting for a cheap possie is being a fairy
by whufc » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:39 am
gadj1976 wrote:whufc wrote:kickinit wrote:Because majority of the time when a player slides in the other play sits on top and locks the ball. Compared to when you bend over pick up the ball you are more then likely to get tackled or a bump. You do as much research as you want on the other question but until the afl come out and say that there bringing in another rule then there isn't going to be another one. So to base your dislike for the current new rule that there MIGHT be a new one is pointless.
Well in that case isn't that what the holding the ball rule is for, we don't need another complete rule to change that.
Clearly my dislike isn't based solely on there maybe another rule change its the fact there is another rule in place which now favours the footballer second to the ball, it's almost like taking benefit of the doubt away from the batsmen. I also don't believe sliding in to get the football while others hang around the pack waiting for a cheap possie is being a fairy
which they've done.
I'm finding it interesting with what the governing bodies are doing with sports internationally. For mine, most changes are ruining the sports that I grew to love as a kid.
There is only one rule I'm in favour of so far and that's the ruckman not "engaging" before the ball is thrown in.
As far as the sliding rule is concerned, I think you'll find, if there is a serious injury that can be prevented, the rules committee will justify their existance by bringing something in the following season.
by valleys07 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:21 pm
by whufc » Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:40 pm
valleys07 wrote:Will the AFL introduce netball rules of no contact whatsoever due to LeCras breaking his arm last night?
by kickinit » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:13 pm
whufc wrote:valleys07 wrote:Will the AFL introduce netball rules of no contact whatsoever due to LeCras breaking his arm last night?
Exactly no matter what rules they introduce there will ALWAYS be incidental serious injuries
by The Sleeping Giant » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:16 pm
by whufc » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:31 pm
kickinit wrote:whufc wrote:valleys07 wrote:Will the AFL introduce netball rules of no contact whatsoever due to LeCras breaking his arm last night?
Exactly no matter what rules they introduce there will ALWAYS be incidental serious injuries
Are you seriously this dumb? All the rule has done is stop someone sliding in. Some we as kids where never taught to do. How many times do we see someone slide in to get the ball hardly ever. It's not rewarding the player second to the ball you bend down and pick it up, the way everyone was taught and will be taught as a kid
by The Sleeping Giant » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:54 pm
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