I've had a gutsfull and it 'aint beer....

[Booney]

It's the fault of Mark Williams and not the marketing deparment for poor crowds / corporate support?

Perhaps his $800k a year was on the back of the 02-03-04 crowd figures on field performances and ultimate Premiership success? His currect contract was signed in 05, Port were in pretty good on-field shape then as reigning Premier. Off field I'm not sure Mark had much to do with what was going to unfold over the coming years.

Short memory.

[Wedgie]

It's the fault of Mark Williams and not the marketing deparment for poor crowds / corporate support?

Perhaps his $800k a year was on the back of the 02-03-04 crowd figures on field performances and ultimate Premiership success? His currect contract was signed in 05, Port were in pretty good on-field shape then as reigning Premier. Off field I'm not sure Mark had much to do with what was going to unfold over the coming years.

Short memory.

Not a short memory at all as I wasn't referring to his contract earlier this century, I would have thought a contract for the future would be based on what you're going to do, not what you had done in the past.
I can only assume he either:
a) lived up to that contract or expectations set by the club hence why he's been offered a new one
or
b) didn't live up to his contract/expectations and has been rewarded with a new contract for failing.
Either way the Power business is completely incompetent.
I don't really mean to be criticial of Mark. If I was completely incompetent at my job and got rewarded for it I'd take everything my incompetent employer gave me too.


Mind you if most employers made decisions like that and weren't making money they'd be wound up and rightfully so.

[Booney]

Without any of us knowing what those expectations were it might be difficult for us to comment, or if we do it is purely speculation.

Would a contract for the future regardless of your position have some degree of your past results built into it? Of course it does.

[Wedgie]

Would a contract for the future regardless of your position have some degree of your past results built into it? Of course it does.

It would definately to some degree hence why Mark's efforts in his most recent contract should have been looked at when it was decided upon a new one would be offered.
Mind you that sort of logical thinking may have been thrown out the door with the latest information coming to light with Mark's brother in law saying the Power put up a new contract as a bluff which Mark called.
I think we can safely write off the next two years if not more thanks to this sort of incompetence.
A real concern for any organisations trying to make money out of this ever faltering business called the Power.

[blink]

And since he signed his last contract on for 800k he delivered worse results, lower crowds and less corporate support.
Let's reward him with a new contract!
Smart fiscal work that Power.
I'm stuffed if I know how you don't make money with that sort of policy.

So by your reckoning, the Power is re-signing Williams on a new contract and has offered identical monetary terms to his previous contract?

[Wedgie]

And since he signed his last contract on for 800k he delivered worse results, lower crowds and less corporate support.
Let's reward him with a new contract!
Smart fiscal work that Power.
I'm stuffed if I know how you don't make money with that sort of policy.

So by your reckoning, the Power is re-signing Williams on a new contract and has offered identical monetary terms to his previous contract?

No not at all, that'd be crazy in a completely different economic environment and a point I haven't even raised. I'm saying they're obviously happy with results on and off the field this year and recently if they're rewarding him with another contract.
But as I brouht up later in the piece it has now become apparent that the contract was just a bluff. Not the sign of a real professional business nor one when both parties could work harmoniously and respect each other.
A real mess.
The players are the least of anyone's problems.

[Booney]

How does Mark's performance ( when I say performance I say that without knowing what was expected of him ,like everyone else on here )reflect what is going on off field in the "business" and how would that have anything remotely to do with his contract?

Two distinctly seperate issues IMO and I would suggest of many others yet you are bundling them together as one.

[Wedgie]

How does Mark's performance ( when I say performance I say that without knowing what was expected of him ,like everyone else on here )reflect what is going on off field in the "business" and how would that have anything remotely to do with his contract?

Two distinctly seperate issues IMO and I would suggest of many others yet you are bundling them together as one.

I disagree, on field performances and the way he represents his club has a hell of a lot to do with the money side of things and the money side of things is all that counts with the Power. If they were 2 distinct things then Mark would never have to worry about winning a game, being at a press conference or doing anything that promotes the Power. He'd be running water.
As I said I dont blame him at all, he's just calling bluffs and taking whats thrown at him for mediocrity. As I said before I'd do exactly the same thing in his position and good on him.

[Dutchy]

I was fortunante enough to go to Alberton last week and tour their facilities, to be honest I was quite suprised how dated there were and not really cutting edge. Chad Cornes said to us they are going to expand it so they can train indoors, how the hell can they afford that, is they SANFL going to pay for it, and indirectly our clubs? Are they going to go into more debt?

[Wedgie]

I was fortunante enough to go to Alberton last week and tour their facilities, to be honest I was quite suprised how dated there were and not really cutting edge. Chad Cornes said to us they are going to expand it so they can train indoors, how the hell can they afford that, is they SANFL going to pay for it, and indirectly our clubs? Are they going to go into more debt?

They can afford video games for the players and to give money to netball teams as well as 800k a year in the to a mediocre coach.
It seems they can afford anything and must be raking it in!
North Adelaide couldn't afford to do those things but we have managed to pay off 2.5 million in debt recently even with a Global Financial Crisis. Geelong similarly.
It's not rocket science.

[Booney]

I was fortunante enough to go to Alberton last week and tour their facilities, to be honest I was quite suprised how dated there were and not really cutting edge. Chad Cornes said to us they are going to expand it so they can train indoors, how the hell can they afford that, is they SANFL going to pay for it, and indirectly our clubs? Are they going to go into more debt?

They can afford video games for the players and to give money to netball teams as well as 800k a year in the to a mediocre coach.
It seems they can afford anything and must be raking it in!
North Adelaide couldn't afford to do those things but we have managed to pay off 2.5 million in debt recently even with a Global Financial Crisis. Geelong similarly.
It's not rocket science.

Yes, they are expanding and from what I understand the late Mr.Scott, when he first built the Headquarters, allowed for some future development in that gift to the club, so no money from anywhere be it SANFL or other wise will be used, thats my understanding.

He's not a mediocre coach Wedgie, he's a PREMIERSHIP COACH!!!!!

[wycbloods]

I was fortunante enough to go to Alberton last week and tour their facilities, to be honest I was quite suprised how dated there were and not really cutting edge. Chad Cornes said to us they are going to expand it so they can train indoors, how the hell can they afford that, is they SANFL going to pay for it, and indirectly our clubs? Are they going to go into more debt?

They can afford video games for the players and to give money to netball teams as well as 800k a year in the to a mediocre coach.
It seems they can afford anything and must be raking it in!
North Adelaide couldn't afford to do those things but we have managed to pay off 2.5 million in debt recently even with a Global Financial Crisis. Geelong similarly.
It's not rocket science.

Yes, they are expanding and from what I understand the late Mr.Scott, when he first built the Headquarters, allowed for some future development in that gift to the club, so no money from anywhere be it SANFL or other wise will be used, thats my understanding.

He's not a mediocre coach Wedgie, he's a PREMIERSHIP COACH!!!!!

he has the same amount of premierships as Mark Thompson is he mediocre as well?

[Wedgie]

I was fortunante enough to go to Alberton last week and tour their facilities, to be honest I was quite suprised how dated there were and not really cutting edge. Chad Cornes said to us they are going to expand it so they can train indoors, how the hell can they afford that, is they SANFL going to pay for it, and indirectly our clubs? Are they going to go into more debt?

They can afford video games for the players and to give money to netball teams as well as 800k a year in the to a mediocre coach.
It seems they can afford anything and must be raking it in!
North Adelaide couldn't afford to do those things but we have managed to pay off 2.5 million in debt recently even with a Global Financial Crisis. Geelong similarly.
It's not rocket science.

Yes, they are expanding and from what I understand the late Mr.Scott, when he first built the Headquarters, allowed for some future development in that gift to the club, so no money from anywhere be it SANFL or other wise will be used, thats my understanding.

He's not a mediocre coach Wedgie, he's a PREMIERSHIP COACH!!!!!

he has the same amount of premierships as Mark Thompson is he mediocre as well?

Quite irrelevent lads. Using that philosophy Tom Hafey would be 4 times the coach in 2009 that Mark Williams is.
Booney, I thought you inferred in an earlier post that you wouldn't have re-appointed Mark Williams as coach?
Apologies if I misunderstood you.

[Booney]

I felt that the time was right for a change but only if the change was for the better and with that being an unknown I am happy for Mark to stay, if that makes sense.

Without knowing who would have potentially been the replacement its a case of better the devil you know.

Put it this way, Im happy to have an established succesful coach at the helm of my club as opposed to an untried rookie in the current climate that has the Gold Coast and West Sydney about to hog the talent out of the next few drafts. There is no doubt that Mark Williams can develop a talented list, he has done it twice.

My main concern is over the last 5 or so years Alan Stewart,Phil Walsh and Dean Bailey have been replaced by Tony McGuiness,Peter Rohde and Jason Cripps. Not like for like in my opinion and what we have lost off field in our football department has hurt us dearly and no doubt hurt Mark Williams. Ever wonder why the talk in recent years has been of him wanting more control, perhaps he doesnt fully trust his off siders?

Sure Mark would have a fair say in who is appointed to those roles but perhaps they arent the people for the job and Mark and the Board make those decisions, not just Mark.

[Dutchy]

to be fair they dont hand over any $$ for the netball sponsorship

thanks for the clarification Booney, that makes sense, it definately needs an upgrade

[Wedgie]

to be fair they dont hand over any $$ for the netball sponsorship

thanks for the clarification Booney, that makes sense, it definately needs an upgrade

Don't they?
I'll plead ignorance on this one.
How exactly does their deal with the Thunderbirds work then?

[Booney]

IIRC its a "joint partnership" with the Power and T-Birds.


From memory Dutchy, Mr.Scott was willing to build a much bigger premises but Council had some say in the initial development and thus it was limited in size.

[Wedgie]

IIRC its a "joint partnership" with the Power and T-Birds.

So what, just things like cross promotions and marketing, etc?
It'd be interesting to see if a study has been done on the demographics of each club's members and supporters to see if its had any impacts.
Has there been anything released along those lines on the relative success of it?
If no money has crossed hands then you'd have to say the Power did the best out of that getting their emblem on the T-Birds outfit.

[Dutchy]

IIRC its a "joint partnership" with the Power and T-Birds.

So what, just things like cross promotions and marketing, etc?
It'd be interesting to see if a study has been done on the demographics of each club's members and supporters to see if its had any impacts.
Has there been anything released along those lines on the relative success of it?
If no money has crossed hands then you'd have to say the Power did the best out of that getting their emblem on the T-Birds outfit.

Yeah its just a contra deal....

[Dirko]

IIRC its a "joint partnership" with the Power and T-Birds.

So what, just things like cross promotions and marketing, etc?
It'd be interesting to see if a study has been done on the demographics of each club's members and supporters to see if its had any impacts.
Has there been anything released along those lines on the relative success of it?
If no money has crossed hands then you'd have to say the Power did the best out of that getting their emblem on the T-Birds outfit.

Yeah its just a contra deal....

Probably no different to the NSW Swifts having the Sydney Swans as a Partner, or Melbourne Vixens having Collingwood.