2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Dutchy » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:49 am

Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby The Bedge » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:51 am

Dutchy wrote:I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.

Could perhaps see Boyd and Stringer play more time up the ground in the ruck/midfield with Cloke there?
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby JK » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:55 am

Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


Im with you Dutch, I wouldn't have thought Cloke was the right option for the Dogs (but hey, clearly Im no expert). Crameri back fits their style nicely, but he can be questionable in front of the sticks, Cloke even moreso.

How are the Dogs going to re-sign their plethora of young talent moving forward, given the value they could all command?
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Dutchy » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:14 am

I also find it weird as I reckon Beveridge is the best coach in the competition, he obviously has a plan, look forward to seeing what they do!
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:47 am

JK wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


Im with you Dutch, I wouldn't have thought Cloke was the right option for the Dogs (but hey, clearly Im no expert). Crameri back fits their style nicely, but he can be questionable in front of the sticks, Cloke even moreso.

How are the Dogs going to re-sign their plethora of young talent moving forward, given the value they could all command?


Boyd is a ruck/forward, and stringer isn't a key forward.

Cloke would play alongside those two. It would be jack redpath he would keep out of the team, which I think is a bad thing as I reckon he goes alright
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:51 am

Brodlach wrote:
David Brent wrote:Daniel Wells potentially to the crows is my mail. Will play out more once the Crows campaign is done.

Only 10 years late :lol:


Lol

I can't see us getting wells. Makes no sense given we have players like Atkins knight Milera Hampton wigg and seedsman as good young outside runners
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby stan » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:52 am

bennymacca wrote:
Brodlach wrote:
David Brent wrote:Daniel Wells potentially to the crows is my mail. Will play out more once the Crows campaign is done.

Only 10 years late [emoji38]


Lol

I can't see us getting wells. Makes no sense given we have players like Atkins knight Milera Hampton wigg and seedsman as good young outside runners

I think most on here have come to the conclusion that he wont be at adelaide.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby MatteeG » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:53 am

bennymacca wrote:Cloke would play alongside those two. It would be jack redpath he would keep out of the team, which I think is a bad thing as I reckon he goes alright


Redpath probably out for most of next year- maybe filling a hole there?
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:16 pm

Ah yeah forgot he did his acl.

Probably not the worst move if he is seen as a stop gap
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:30 pm

bennymacca wrote:Ah yeah forgot he did his acl.

Probably not the worst move if he is seen as a stop gap


Cloke has a year on his contract with Collingwood, yes? If he does, they pay some of his wage and the Dogs get him for say $150-200k in year one and $200k in year two. Still can't see where he fits though...
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Rik E Boy » Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:54 pm

Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


I don't get this move either. I don't get Cloke to anyone. He is so slow and shithouse below his knees players like Cloke are from a different era. As for Wells, wouldn't want him at Geelong even though we do lack outside run.

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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby the milky bar kid » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:01 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


I don't get this move either. I don't get Cloke to anyone. He is so slow and shithouse below his knees players like Cloke are from a different era. As for Wells, wouldn't want him at Geelong even though we do lack outside run.

regards,

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It's a fairly cheap gamble in my opinion. I think many had written off Hawkins in the same mold as Cloke, but in a reasonable team he has turned it around & provided a very reasonable return of 50 goals this year.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby nuggety goodness » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:39 pm

Cloke is a tricky one for me. Boyd is developing slower than everyone would have hoped but he has come on well lately, he could play as the FF and swap in the ruck with roughead who is becoming a fantastic ruck fwd (how good is his contested marking!) And cloke could play CHF. He also gives the one out contest we have lacked. He could bring the ball to ground so our flanks and pockets have something to work with...

Fwd line of
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Crameri Cloke Stringer

Looks ok to me,
With daniel, mcrae, hunter, bont, stevens, smith, dunkley, mclean and picken able to rotate through there we have plenty of arsenal. Plus he provides more than Zaine Cordy and with big red out effectively for the year he might just be the missing piece of the puzzle..... haha!

If we get him cheap for a couple we could do worse, as long as he is kicking for goal from between 45 and 60m he should be ok!

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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby JK » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:14 pm

bennymacca wrote:
JK wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


Im with you Dutch, I wouldn't have thought Cloke was the right option for the Dogs (but hey, clearly Im no expert). Crameri back fits their style nicely, but he can be questionable in front of the sticks, Cloke even moreso.

How are the Dogs going to re-sign their plethora of young talent moving forward, given the value they could all command?


Boyd is a ruck/forward, and stringer isn't a key forward.

Cloke would play alongside those two. It would be jack redpath he would keep out of the team, which I think is a bad thing as I reckon he goes alright


Yep, know all that, but cheers .. Still have my doubts on whether he helps them that much. Unreliable kick, and his best marking years more than likely behind him. Good insurance though if Boyd/Crameri/Redpath aren't up to required form or are injured.

I like the Dogs, so hope it works out well for them, but I have my doubts.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby bennymacca » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:21 pm

Did anyone else see the footage of hutchy playing with the glove that Cloke wore in one game (and got banned for)?

It was pretty damning. Outright cheating basically
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Bum Crack » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:30 pm

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Rik E Boy wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


I don't get this move either. I don't get Cloke to anyone. He is so slow and shithouse below his knees players like Cloke are from a different era. As for Wells, wouldn't want him at Geelong even though we do lack outside run.

regards,

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It's a fairly cheap gamble in my opinion. I think many had written off Hawkins in the same mold as Cloke, but in a reasonable team he has turned it around & provided a very reasonable return of 50 goals this year.

Hawkins is a gun. He might not kick the bags week in week out but his work off the ball and ability to bring the ball to ground is very underrated.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby JK » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:36 pm

bennymacca wrote:Did anyone else see the footage of hutchy playing with the glove that Cloke wore in one game (and got banned for)?

It was pretty damning. Outright cheating basically


Yep, was seriously surprised more wasnt made of it
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Booney » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:40 pm

JK wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Did anyone else see the footage of hutchy playing with the glove that Cloke wore in one game (and got banned for)?

It was pretty damning. Outright cheating basically


Yep, was seriously surprised more wasnt made of it


Mate, Cloke was catching them, we all knew something was up.
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby Brodlach » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:36 pm

JK wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Wells has knocked back $550k pa over 2 years at North, anyone taking him will be offering more, good luck.

I don't get the Cloke to Bullies move, they have Boyd and Stringer...surely Cloke will only stunt their development? If you were getting him as a depth player on minimum wage fair enough but Collingwood will be asking for them to cover the last year of his contract so he isn't coming cheaply.


Im with you Dutch, I wouldn't have thought Cloke was the right option for the Dogs (but hey, clearly Im no expert). Crameri back fits their style nicely, but he can be questionable in front of the sticks, Cloke even moreso.

How are the Dogs going to re-sign their plethora of young talent moving forward, given the value they could all command?

Redpath back at some stage too
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Re: 2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

Postby daysofourlives » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:41 pm

To answer the queries about Cloke's salary he has said he is prepared to tear up his Collingwood contract believed to be 500k for next year. He is then signing with the Bulldogs for 500k over 2 years. This will ensure the trade gets done, Pies want the salary cap space. Will be traded for a 4th or 5th round pick so basically nothing.
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