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[Pup]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

[JK]

Brisbane brown signed last year for a mill a year. now picking fev (maybe)

Brown would be veteran listed. Bradshaw would've been on decent coin.
Black veteran list as well as Power probably (or close). Plus they get extra room in the cap
cos they're in Bris-Vegas

Think you can only ever have two on the veterans list at any 1 time mate.

The Hawks must do a great job of balancing their payments between established and fringe players (and across future seasons)}, they have done well to keep a nucleus of Mitchell, Sewell, Hodge, Franklin, Roughhead and Lewis together whilst adding Burgoyne and Gibson.

You would imagine that if some of their kids really blossom in the next 2 years, that job becomes even harder for them ... That's footy these days I guess.

[JK]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

For those with a keen eye on the upcoming draft, is there any chance Trengove could slip to the Power, or is he a monty to be gone by then?

[Dirko]

Think you can only ever have two on the veterans list at any 1 time mate.

Here you go Sperny;

Veterans List

A player may be put on the veterans list if they are over the age of 30 and have played for 10 seasons at the club. A club may list upto 2 veterans – any additional nominated veterans will remain on the main list. When a player is moved to the veterans list he can’t be returned to the main list unless he is delisted and re-drafted by the club.

Nominated veterans (both on the main and veterans list) allow clubs salary cap relief to the amount of:

1 nominated veterans – 50% reduction each
2 nominated veterans - 50% reduction each
3 nominated veterans - 33% reduction each
4 nominated veterans – 25% reduction each
etc.

[JK]

Think you can only ever have two on the veterans list at any 1 time mate.

Here you go Sperny;

Veterans List

A player may be put on the veterans list if they are over the age of 30 and have played for 10 seasons at the club. A club may list upto 2 veterans – any additional nominated veterans will remain on the main list. When a player is moved to the veterans list he can’t be returned to the main list unless he is delisted and re-drafted by the club.

Nominated veterans (both on the main and veterans list) allow clubs salary cap relief to the amount of:

1 nominated veterans – 50% reduction each
2 nominated veterans - 50% reduction each
3 nominated veterans - 33% reduction each
4 nominated veterans – 25% reduction each
etc.

Cheers mate, pretty much as I thought although I didn't realise a club could get a reduction for 2 other nominations ... This must be the "Carlton rule" from back in the days when they had Bradley, Silvagni, McKay and co.

It is likely Adelaide is now staking it's claim for ownership of the rule ...

[Dutchy]

The Hawks must do a great job of balancing their payments between established and fringe players (and across future seasons)}, they have done well to keep a nucleus of Mitchell, Sewell, Hodge, Franklin, Roughhead and Lewis together whilst adding Burgoyne and Gibson.

You would imagine that if some of their kids really blossom in the next 2 years, that job becomes even harder for them ... That's footy these days I guess.

They would be OK now and for next year but they have no players that will be able to slip onto the Veterans list for at least 4 years so they will come under pressure big time, Cats have had to do it (King) and no doubt Saints and Hawks will have to do it shortly also

[NFC]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

They said the same thing about 2007 and we got some quality with Cook and Armstrong as well as Petrenko and Martin on rookie list...

Never bother listening to the quality of drafts until it's done and dusted.

[nuggety goodness]

The Hawks must do a great job of balancing their payments between established and fringe players (and across future seasons)}, they have done well to keep a nucleus of Mitchell, Sewell, Hodge, Franklin, Roughhead and Lewis together whilst adding Burgoyne and Gibson.

You would imagine that if some of their kids really blossom in the next 2 years, that job becomes even harder for them ... That's footy these days I guess.

They would be OK now and for next year but they have no players that will be able to slip onto the Veterans list for at least 4 years so they will come under pressure big time, Cats have had to do it (King) and no doubt Saints and Hawks will have to do it shortly also

with the list that the Dogs have how do you reckon they are faring with the salary cap? as has been said there aren't too many 'Elite' players, we have a core of great players but few, if any in that elite bracket... Johno is on the veteran list and Eagleton has just finished his 10th season with us (i didn't think it was that long!!!) so he now qualifies, the only others over 30 are Aker and Huddo. Aker's been there 3 and Huddo 2. Hahn, Gilbee and Hargreave will be 29 next year.

sureley they'll keep Eagleton then if they can put him on the Veteran's list...

how much is the cap anyway? i've always wanted to know...

[Pup]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

For those with a keen eye on the upcoming draft, is there any chance Trengove could slip to the Power, or is he a monty to be gone by then?

Certain to be gone IMO. May even go number one.

Although i said last year Rich would certainly be gone in the top 5 and he slipped to 7.

[Pup]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

They said the same thing about 2007 and we got some quality with Cook and Armstrong as well as Petrenko and Martin on rookie list...

Never bother listening to the quality of drafts until it's done and dusted.

I guess it depends on the recruiting department.

There is always sliders who do well in the coming years but i think especially with the GC picking 12 of the best 17 year olds for the side in 2011, that this draft will be pretty weak after the top 30 and i think that is evident by the way clubs are trading this week.

Like you said, we will have to wait and see.

[JK]

Apparently its a thin draft this year, I would say with 3 picks in the first round you would be happy.

Three picks under 25 is ideal because after pick 30 it will drop away significantly.

For those with a keen eye on the upcoming draft, is there any chance Trengove could slip to the Power, or is he a monty to be gone by then?

Certain to be gone IMO. May even go number one.

Although i said last year Rich would certainly be gone in the top 5 and he slipped to 7.

Cheers mate, I thought it was unlikely from my limited knowledge of the kids available ... Could be handy for a few other SANFL clubs though.

Something I read recently suggested there were some good key forward prospects in this years draft, so these picks probably have even greater significance given it's an area that requires investment from a Power perspective.

[Hondo]

with the list that the Dogs have how do you reckon they are faring with the salary cap? as has been said there aren't too many 'Elite' players, we have a core of great players but few, if any in that elite bracket... Johno is on the veteran list and Eagleton has just finished his 10th season with us (i didn't think it was that long!!!) so he now qualifies, the only others over 30 are Aker and Huddo. Aker's been there 3 and Huddo 2. Hahn, Gilbee and Hargreave will be 29 next year.

sureley they'll keep Eagleton then if they can put him on the Veteran's list...

how much is the cap anyway? i've always wanted to know...

When the most recent TV rights deal was done changes to the cap were announced which would see it increase each year from about $6.9m in 2006 to $8.225m in 2011

So I'd guess it would be close to $8.0m next season. All clubs must pay a minimum of 92.5% of the cap being around $7.4m. So the most any club would ever have spare (in theory) would be about $600K. In reality, most would be up around 98% of the cap I would have thought?

So even the Bulldogs without these gun players (arguably) wouldn't have a huge amount of spare cap space. It's just that it might be more evenly spread around a larger group of players instead of a team like Geelong.

[Pup]

Something I read recently suggested there were some good key forward prospects in this years draft, so these picks probably have even greater significance given it's an area that requires investment from a Power perspective.

Butcher looks like he will slip (Maybe even out of the top 10) so he would probably be a perfect fit for Port.

[nuggety goodness]

with the list that the Dogs have how do you reckon they are faring with the salary cap? as has been said there aren't too many 'Elite' players, we have a core of great players but few, if any in that elite bracket... Johno is on the veteran list and Eagleton has just finished his 10th season with us (i didn't think it was that long!!!) so he now qualifies, the only others over 30 are Aker and Huddo. Aker's been there 3 and Huddo 2. Hahn, Gilbee and Hargreave will be 29 next year.

sureley they'll keep Eagleton then if they can put him on the Veteran's list...

how much is the cap anyway? i've always wanted to know...

When the most recent TV rights deal was done changes to the cap were announced which would see it increase each year from about $6.9m in 2006 to $8.225m in 2011

So I'd guess it would be close to $8.0m next season. All clubs must pay a minimum of 92.5% of the cap being around $7.4m. So the most any club would ever have spare (in theory) would be about $600K. In reality, most would be up around 98% of the cap I would have thought?

So even the Bulldogs without these gun players (arguably) wouldn't have a huge amount of spare cap space. It's just that it might be more evenly spread around a larger group of players instead of a team like Geelong.

explain the arguably...

[Hondo]

Dutchy was saying there's no 'marquee' players at the Bulldogs therefore they must be well within the cap

I feel while there's maybe no 'marquee' players there's a lot of very good players on the list that would chew up cap space

That's the 'arguably' bit

They have been a top 4 side the last 2 years which says to me it's a good list which says to me they are close to maxed out on their cap.

[Brodlach]

Luke Ball to Collingwood for Nathan Brown and pick 62

[Brodlach]

The Brendan Fevola deal is done. He's heading to the Lions. Lachlan Henderson and pick No.12 to Carlton for Fevola and pick 27.

[Pup]

The Brendan Fevola deal is done. He's heading to the Lions. Lachlan Henderson and pick No.12 to Carlton for Fevola and pick 27.

I don't know how happy Brisbane fans are going to be this !

[Dutchy]

Dutchy was saying there's no 'marquee' players at the Bulldogs therefore they must be well within the cap

I feel while there's maybe no 'marquee' players there's a lot of very good players on the list that would chew up cap space

That's the 'arguably' bit

They have been a top 4 side the last 2 years which says to me it's a good list which says to me they are close to maxed out on their cap.

Agree, it would be more spread, which would make it easier to handle, Johnno has been on the Vets list for ages....

They will have issues in a couple of years but not right now, they dont have the Geelong/Saints problems where they would be paying 2-3 players $450k+, thats the point I was making

[Dutchy]

The Brendan Fevola deal is done. He's heading to the Lions. Lachlan Henderson and pick No.12 to Carlton for Fevola and pick 27.

So Bradshaw stays?