Crows in trouble - CHEATS

[Grahaml]

The whole situation is bizarre. Seems every day or two, something adds to the whole mess and blows things up even more. At first it was all a storm in a tea cup that Rucci was desperately trying to turn into a story with the whole second round draft pick thing. At the time the contract was done, the AFL was proudly saying free agency wasn't required because players always got the club they wanted. All the AFC and Tippett were trying to do was exactly what was normally being done.

What is serious is the undeclared payments. The AFC, Tippett's management and Tippett are wrong here and all in equal measure. They all knew full well that they were doing the wrong thing. Anyone walking down the street knows you can't organise extra payments without putting it in the contract. You can't tell me any of those organisations didn't see the contract or understand it. It's not as bad as Carlton's only in so much as the amounts aren't as great, so the penalty should be similar but less harsh. Given the Crows have no high draft picks to take, that's going to happen as a matter of course.

I'm going to wait until everything's come out before deciding who I think should lose their jobs. But regardless, this is also embarrassing for the AFL. The way this has happened under their noses and they had no idea just demonstrates they're as effective at policing the cap as ever.

On the bright side, at least we're in better shape than Port.

[The Dark Knight]

GOLD

[stan]

The whole situation is bizarre. Seems every day or two, something adds to the whole mess and blows things up even more. At first it was all a storm in a tea cup that Rucci was desperately trying to turn into a story with the whole second round draft pick thing. At the time the contract was done, the AFL was proudly saying free agency wasn't required because players always got the club they wanted. All the AFC and Tippett were trying to do was exactly what was normally being done.

What is serious is the undeclared payments. The AFC, Tippett's management and Tippett are wrong here and all in equal measure. They all knew full well that they were doing the wrong thing. Anyone walking down the street knows you can't organise extra payments without putting it in the contract. You can't tell me any of those organisations didn't see the contract or understand it. It's not as bad as Carlton's only in so much as the amounts aren't as great, so the penalty should be similar but less harsh. Given the Crows have no high draft picks to take, that's going to happen as a matter of course.

I'm going to wait until everything's come out before deciding who I think should lose their jobs. But regardless, this is also embarrassing for the AFL. The way this has happened under their noses and they had no idea just demonstrates they're as effective at policing the cap as ever.

On the bright side, at least we're in better shape than Port.

My dog is in better shape than Port and he is 17, got ****** hips and can't see.

But you are right with what you say about policing the cap.

Also please be clear that emma quale from the age actually broke the Story. Rucci has pretty much forwarded her story and used the letter to the members from trigg. Seriously this guy is hopeless.

[Hondo]

If you believe the report in the media yesterday that these "go home" agreements and third party sweetener deals are "rife" in the AFL ("the trick is to not put it in writing") then i agree the AFL are either turning a blind eye or just not policing the rules until they are forced to react to high profile cases.

I can't believe the call from Triggy was the first time AD had heard about the Tippett clause. Caro broke the story back in 2009.

None of this excuses us BTW ..... just saying

[UK Fan]

If you believe the report in the media yesterday that these "go home" agreements and third party sweetener deals are "rife" in the AFL ("the trick is to not put it in writing") then i agree the AFL are either turning a blind eye or just not policing the rules until they are forced to react to high profile cases.

I can't believe the call from Triggy was the first time AD had heard about the Tippett clause. Caro broke the story back in 2009.

None of this excuses us BTW ..... just saying

No the trick is not to officially underwrite those deals. I wonder how many more crows players are Underwritten on 3rd party deals.

Didn't AD state publicly he and afl had no knowledge of any gentleman agreement 3 weeks ago re: Tippett.
So when trigg confessed to its existence he was making a liar/fool out of ???????

AFC/Trigg has had 3 years to bring this up and instead they tried to deceive everyone. A fact The clubs president can not even deny.

That's why they should get a 3 year suspension IMHO.

[Hondo]

I think undewriting the deals is OK the trick is to declare them in your cap. This is the part of this saga that baffles me and makes me really wary about what has gone on. If reports are true and we were within the cap even if we declared the payments then why not declare them? It's just asking for trouble if you don't and it reeks of incompetence. I'm still fuming about this.

[RustyCage]

I think undewriting the deals is OK the trick is to declare them in your cap. This is the part of this saga that baffles me and makes me really wary about what has gone on. If reports are true and we were within the cap even if we declared the payments then why not declare them? It's just asking for trouble if you don't and it reeks of incompetence. I'm still fuming about this.

Maybe the Tippett deal still puts them within the cap, but maybe there are other deals we don't know about yet that combined put them over?

[Hondo]

PAFC, yes that seems the only reason I can think of unless there's something about the Tippett deal itself that needed to be kept secret but I can't think what.

[TEX07]

If you believe the report in the media yesterday that these "go home" agreements and third party sweetener deals are "rife" in the AFL ("the trick is to not put it in writing") then i agree the AFL are either turning a blind eye or just not policing the rules until they are forced to react to high profile cases.

I can't believe the call from Triggy was the first time AD had heard about the Tippett clause. Caro broke the story back in 2009.

None of this excuses us BTW ..... just saying

No the trick is not to officially underwrite those deals. I wonder how many more crows players are Underwritten on 3rd party deals.

Didn't AD state publicly he and afl had no knowledge of any gentleman agreement 3 weeks ago re: Tippett.
So when trigg confessed to its existence he was making a liar/fool out of ???????

AFC/Trigg has had 3 years to bring this up and instead they tried to deceive everyone. A fact The clubs president can not even deny.

That's why they should get a 3 year suspension IMHO.

Do you seriously think that the crows are the only side that benefit from 3rd party deals? The dumb part is they put in writting that they would get one to happen. I agree with you on that they didnt fess up until they knew it was going to come out fully anyway, kind of like my son hitting his sister then saying sorry right away, when I try and punish him he says "but I said sorry!"

I think when all is revealed the crows are going to cop something large, the AFL does not like these deals but have never really had the proof that they happen, if we give them the proof they will come down hard. I dont think it will stop it happening though. The Bombers were accused of something just this trade period with Goddard gaining employement with Toll, whose chairman is former Club Chairman of the bombers. Or Chris Judds deal with Visy. None of these have any official link with the clubs and they insist they didnt incite them, I am sure it would happen at all clubs in some way. The Crows, they put it in writing, I think the AFL will be stoked that they have an opportunity to make an example of someone.

[TEX07]

I think undewriting the deals is OK the trick is to declare them in your cap. This is the part of this saga that baffles me and makes me really wary about what has gone on. If reports are true and we were within the cap even if we declared the payments then why not declare them? It's just asking for trouble if you don't and it reeks of incompetence. I'm still fuming about this.

Maybe the Tippett deal still puts them within the cap, but maybe there are other deals we don't know about yet that combined put them over?

Arent they under investigation for salary cap breaches but not necesarily going over the cap? breaking the rules would be considered a breach? If you are getting $700K a year to play in Adelaide, requesting or offering $200k extra over three years seems insignificant thats what make it all the more stupid IMO.

[Hondo]

Over that period 2010 to 2012 we werent blessed with a dream team of stars that needed lots of brown paper bags. This time last year most thought we had a bottom 8 list.

Walker and Danger only signed this year. No doubt their deals will be scrutinized.

Baffled

[Booney]

The whole situation is bizarre. Seems every day or two, something adds to the whole mess and blows things up even more. At first it was all a storm in a tea cup that Rucci was desperately trying to turn into a story with the whole second round draft pick thing. At the time the contract was done, the AFL was proudly saying free agency wasn't required because players always got the club they wanted. All the AFC and Tippett were trying to do was exactly what was normally being done.

What is serious is the undeclared payments. The AFC, Tippett's management and Tippett are wrong here and all in equal measure. They all knew full well that they were doing the wrong thing. Anyone walking down the street knows you can't organise extra payments without putting it in the contract. You can't tell me any of those organisations didn't see the contract or understand it. It's not as bad as Carlton's only in so much as the amounts aren't as great, so the penalty should be similar but less harsh. Given the Crows have no high draft picks to take, that's going to happen as a matter of course.

I'm going to wait until everything's come out before deciding who I think should lose their jobs. But regardless, this is also embarrassing for the AFL. The way this has happened under their noses and they had no idea just demonstrates they're as effective at policing the cap as ever.

On the bright side, at least we're in better shape than Port.

My dog is in better shape than Port and he is 17, got ****** hips and can't see.

But you are right with what you say about policing the cap.

Also please be clear that emma quale from the age actually broke the Story. Rucci has pretty much forwarded her story and used the letter to the members from trigg. Seriously this guy is hopeless.

Not to defend Rucci, but WTF else is he meant to do?

The blokes job is to report, isn't he reporting?

[Brodlach]

Another tweet by a Crows player having a dig at Tippet

Luke Thompson ‏@L_Thompson
@texwalker13 my man big tex. you looking forward to ruling the 50 now that waste of space Giraffe is gone. #longlivethemullet #textime

[LaughingKookaburra]

I asked the question a week ago... Has Tippett been paid the "parting gift" yet putting the Crows over the cap?
Don't people find the idea of the Crows going to the AFL now a little odd. Why would you dob yourself in? Of course they knew about it and are playing dumb. Why would Tippetts management threaten to take the club to court knowing what is happening currently could eventuate @ the time?
If the Crows have an AFL non approved contract can the AFL scrap it? If the AFL scrap it and the payments never go through then factually have the Crows gone over the cap?

[Johno6]

the funniest tweet is the one where someone said to walker they wish he left instead of kurt

[overloaded]

Another tweet by a Crows player having a dig at Tippet

Luke Thompson ‏@L_Thompson
@texwalker13 my man big tex. you looking forward to ruling the 50 now that waste of space Giraffe is gone. #longlivethemullet #textime

WADH

[scoob]

Another tweet by a Crows player having a dig at Tippet

Luke Thompson ‏@L_Thompson
@texwalker13 my man big tex. you looking forward to ruling the 50 now that waste of space Giraffe is gone. #longlivethemullet #textime

WADH

They are a rabble!

[Jim05]

Mentioned in Melbourne media the possibility of Tippett being suspended for up to 3 years and the Crows being docked premiership points next year

[Dutchy]

I asked the question a week ago... Has Tippett been paid the "parting gift" yet putting the Crows over the cap?
Don't people find the idea of the Crows going to the AFL now a little odd. Why would you dob yourself in? Of course they knew about it and are playing dumb. Why would Tippetts management threaten to take the club to court knowing what is happening currently could eventuate @ the time?
If the Crows have an AFL non approved contract can the AFL scrap it? If the AFL scrap it and the payments never go through then factually have the Crows gone over the cap?

Whether the payment was made or not does not matter one bit. No agreement outside an AFL contract can be made between the parties.

[Johno6]

the highligh for me is still the comments by people on adelaidenow and the like, very very amusing stuff.