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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby bertiebeatle » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:02 pm

morell wrote:The times we have played with an average height or above we have:

Beaten Sydney
Smashed Fremantle
Smashed Brisbane
Narrow loss to West Coast
Narrow loss to Geelong
Smashed Hawthorn

The times we have played with a lower than average height we have:

Beaten by Adelaide
Beaten by GWS
Smashed Carlton
Smashed Gold Coast
Destroyed by Essendon
Beaten Brisbane
Beaten Collingwood
Beaten by Richmond
Beaten West Coast
Smashed North Melbourne
Beaten by Melbourne
Narrow win vs St Kilda
Destroyed by Adelaide


Morell besides the first 3 games of the year, we have had one less KPP in the forward line the whole time?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:05 pm

Bum Crack wrote:
morell wrote:The times we have played with an average height or above we have:

Beaten Sydney
Smashed Fremantle
Smashed Brisbane
Narrow loss to West Coast
Narrow loss to Geelong
Smashed Hawthorn

So does that mean your other 7 wins have been with a below average height? Smashed some ripper teams in that lot above.
I just colour coded them

In my mind when we have played with average height or better we've had one below par results, the rest have been pretty good or really good.

When we've played with below average height we've had our double bogey losses and only really made par on the others.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:05 pm

bertiebeatle wrote:
morell wrote:The times we have played with an average height or above we have:

Beaten Sydney
Smashed Fremantle
Smashed Brisbane
Narrow loss to West Coast
Narrow loss to Geelong
Smashed Hawthorn

The times we have played with a lower than average height we have:

Beaten by Adelaide
Beaten by GWS
Smashed Carlton
Smashed Gold Coast
Destroyed by Essendon
Beaten Brisbane
Beaten Collingwood
Beaten by Richmond
Beaten West Coast
Smashed North Melbourne
Beaten by Melbourne
Narrow win vs St Kilda
Destroyed by Adelaide


Morell besides the first 3 games of the year, we have had one less KPP in the forward line the whole time?
I think so, yes.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby Brodlach » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:11 pm

Supporters want to burn Trengove 12 months after he enormous effort he put in last year. Play him in his correct position and leave him there.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:19 pm

Booney wrote:It's only that Collingwood don't have a tall forward line that Trengove goes out this week after being dropped, with Hombsch out injured against any other side Trengove would be in the key defensive post this weekend, again.
Why don't we exploit them for a lack of height up forward - like, I dunno, Adelaide did to us?

Why are we so Height-ist?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby bertiebeatle » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:42 pm

Brodlach wrote:Supporters want to burn Trengove 12 months after he enormous effort he put in last year. Play him in his correct position and leave him there.


Isn't in our best defensive lineup anymore unfortunately.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby Bum Crack » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:53 pm

Booney wrote:
mots02 wrote:
Booney wrote:Out - Hombsch Trengove Monfries Young
In - Howard Wingard Ah Chee Houston

Ext bench has Neade Bonner White added.


Hmmm Port going shorter rather than taller... i'd like Morell's opinion on this!


No Grundy for Collingwood so Cox will have to ruck, probably Moore do the chop out. I think Ryder will have SWARM on his mind all weekend knowing he'll have Cox as his opposition for most of the day.

We'll play Howard and Dixon forward on Dunn and Goldsack, they'll have Moore and Reid forward with Clurey and Jonas following them.

Biggest out for them is Wells, they rarely win without him. We'll also give Powell-Pepper a break, certain of it.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby MW » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:53 pm

Would be the 2nd week in a row he's had a rest... 8)
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby bennymacca » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:59 pm

morell wrote:Hey fam, sorry for the delay!

As predicted with the Round 20 coaches votes in, Sam Jacobs moves into the #1 spot in our beloved SWARM

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so a single game was enough to catapult jacobs from 5th to 1st?

#swarmfacts
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:31 pm

No you galah. It was about 4 games. The latest update took Jacobs from 2nd to 1st
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:21 pm

morell wrote:We've been too short pretty much all year:

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also interesting to see how Ken reacts after a loss or two.

Bring in the runners!!!

We also looked the best in Rounds 1 and 2 an low and behold would you look at that :shock:


Where do you get this tripe Morrell?
Do you sit in your padded cell all day producing similar graphs? ;)
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:34 pm

Sometimes the guards let me out.

I found it interesting that Port regularly play with teams below the average for the AFL in terms of height.

You don't find that interesting? I am sorry but I cant do a SWARM update for at least another week.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:36 pm

morell wrote:Sometimes the guards let me out.

I found it interesting that Port regularly play with teams below the average for the AFL in terms of height.

You don't find that interesting? I am sorry but I cant do a SWARM update for at least another week.


Not really, there's only one relevant table and that's the premiership table. If any of the 13 sides below Port play a side with above average height then the statistic is useless, it means nothing.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:40 pm

morell wrote:Sometimes the guards let me out.

I found it interesting that Port regularly play with teams below the average for the AFL in terms of height.

You don't find that interesting? I am sorry but I cant do a SWARM update for at least another week.


TBH I did find the height graph interesting.
Much more so than the SWARM analysis. ;)

Be good to know the average height of wins V losses across the competition?
Is going in too tall a hinderance or does it win you games?

Can you knock that out for us all?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby morell » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:41 pm

Booney wrote:
morell wrote:Sometimes the guards let me out.

I found it interesting that Port regularly play with teams below the average for the AFL in terms of height.

You don't find that interesting? I am sorry but I cant do a SWARM update for at least another week.


Not really, there's only one relevant table and that's the premiership table. If any of the 13 sides below Port play a side with above average height then the statistic is useless, it means nothing.
You're looking at it from a macro level, which is understandable, but if you do that, you have to consider other macro factors too - difficulty of the draw, injuries, form etc

I am saying look at it from a Port only perspective.

Of those performances, which ones did we perform well in and which ones do we perform poorly in?

As an idea, say a KPP is 195cm and a normal player is 185cm, playing one short is only worth about 10cm to the overall team - or one cell on the graph. So there were times throughout the year, GWS and Richmond, where we were playing -3 key position players compared to the average. How did we go in those games? Especially in key position specific metrics such as marks inside 50, contested marks and intercept marks ?

What would be good and I would do it if I had enough time would be to correlate the height of the opposition game v game as well.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:44 pm

Doesn't matter how tall you play when you play against top 8 sides.
Tall or small your winning % is still zero my friend! ;)
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby Booney » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:52 pm

morell wrote:
Booney wrote:
morell wrote:Sometimes the guards let me out.

I found it interesting that Port regularly play with teams below the average for the AFL in terms of height.

You don't find that interesting? I am sorry but I cant do a SWARM update for at least another week.


Not really, there's only one relevant table and that's the premiership table. If any of the 13 sides below Port play a side with above average height then the statistic is useless, it means nothing.
You're looking at it from a macro level, which is understandable, but if you do that, you have to consider other macro factors too - difficulty of the draw, injuries, form etc

I am saying look at it from a Port only perspective.

Of those performances, which ones did we perform well in and which ones do we perform poorly in?

As an idea, say a KPP is 195cm and a normal player is 185cm, playing one short is only worth about 10cm to the overall team - or one cell on the graph. So there were times throughout the year, GWS and Richmond, where we were playing -3 key position players compared to the average. How did we go in those games? Especially in key position specific metrics such as marks inside 50, contested marks and intercept marks ?

What would be good and I would do it if I had enough time would be to correlate the height of the opposition game v game as well.


Richmond are 3rd, 13 and 6, have lost 3 games by under 1 goal and play one KPP forward.

Adelaide are top, 14 and 4 with a draw and play 3 KPP forwards.

The most crucial stat being one is top one is third, not how tall they are.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby MW » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:58 pm

Adelaides three KPP up forward are all mobile though
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby Trader » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:00 pm

He's one up on a dole bludger, he's a bloody council worker!

Morell, Can you produce average height stat for rounds 1-20 for the 18 sides and then plot them against their possie on the premiership ladder to see if there is a trend?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2017

Postby amber_fluid » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:04 pm

Trader wrote:He's one up on a dole bludger, he's a bloody council worker!

Morell, Can you produce average height stat for rounds 1-20 for the 18 sides and then plot them against their possie on the premiership ladder to see if there is a trend?


That certainly explains all the free time he has.
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