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marbles wrote:

Booney wrote:

marbles wrote:can anyone actually see kenny coaching past next year finals or no finals? how many years in job now?

they obviously need a huge culling down port, especially assistant coaches plus butcher, schultz mitchell etc etc and most of all voss

but lets say they keep kenny, refresh every other position below him, then next year they do not make finals, kenny will have to go

then what, a new coach comes in and all these new assistants will have to go with kenny. they barely got 12 months in the job

Did you just answer your own question?

if the whole plan is just to make a few adjustments so they can make finals next year, then all they are doing is copying north melbourne top ups style

what about 2018, 2019?

When you make a prelim with a relatively young side, you can be forgiven to try and top up for a flag (Dixon, Ryder). I think its well known that Port will not be trading their draft picks this year so any top ups would need to be free agents. Can't see them doing it this time.

Nope, focusing on the draft now. Boak 27, Gray 28, Ebert 26, Broadbent 25, Trengove 25, Hartlett 25, Wines 21, Wingard 22, Dixon 25....hardly the need for a massive "North" like clean out.

Booney wrote:

Zartan wrote:

Booney wrote:You're making excuses now mate, Port have shown at stages this season that they still are capable of winning, and they should still be good enough to account for Brisbane.

Ryder & Schultz have hardly played this year, Hombsch has missed however many games, and Trengove has been out of position most of the season. Dixon is the only real one that is a significant loss to the playing group in recent weeks.

Excuses? Take the key men from one end to the other out of most sides in the middle of the table and see how they go.

What like west coast last season losing most of its defence and making a GF ????
Or an injury ravaged western Bulldogs this season.


Hinkley won't be sacked. As if Port could afford the payout let's be realistic

If those injuries are the only thing keeping you from losing to the worst team of the last 20 years, then you are in bigger strife than I thought.

It will indeed be interesting if they can't beat Brisbane this week

Yeah, most sides can cover all their key position players....

Take these guys out the Crows line-up (As an example) and see how good they would be performing....

Walker or Jenkins (played 2 games with both schulz and dixon)
Jacobs (no ryder all year)
Talia (1 of Hombsch or Trengrove not in defence for most of the year)

I'm sure most of you would agree that they would struggle big time.

Hawthorn have been able to cover their key position players and that is why they are arguably one of the best sides ever.

The majority of sides would'nt be able to cover the KPP that Port have lost this year.
There is a lot of talk about Port's depth and whilst i agree that it isnt there to some extent, not many teams would have the ability to cover so many KPP injuries/suspension.

It doesn't excuse the losses against the likes of Carlton + Freo

Honestly, we have looked 100 times better with Trengrove rucking and Lobbe out injured.
Our midfield is our biggest weakness with blokes like Boak, Hartlett, Broadbent, Polec all struggling to make an impact.
Ebert has had a strong second half of the year, Gray and Pittard supurb all year, Wines good but his disposal needs a lot of work. Wingard starting to heat up like last year after an early season injury.
Throw in the young guys that have broken through like Austin, Clurey, DBJ and to an extent Young and it doesn't look too bad if the midfield is able to start firing again next year.

There is one major difference between Port being mid-table or a contender and that is their disposal efficiency. It is their biggest issue and it has cost them the games against, Carlton, Freo, WB, West Coast and Hawthorn. Should have won all those games and would be sitting top 1-4. Even the showdown where we were blown off the park early, we ended up with similar amount of scoring shots and had a chance in the second term to get back in the game but when we started to get momentum, we would turn the ball over and the Crows would goal at the other end. Story of our last two years imo.

Two finals appearances in eight years says more than anything else

Booney wrote:Nope, focusing on the draft now. Boak 27, Gray 28, Ebert 26, Broadbent 25, Trengove 25, Hartlett 25, Wines 21, Wingard 22, Dixon 25....hardly the need for a massive "North" like clean out.

Trengove only 25

Brodlach wrote:Two finals appearances in eight years says more than anything else

The 4 years before Hinkley took over is more about the coaches and systems in place at the club rathar than the players.

That was shown in Hinkley's (and Koch) first year at the club by winning a final instead of barely winning a game.

Carlton has been similar this year in being able to climb off the canvas and actually being competitive in the majority of games.

bd u15 09 wrote:Take these guys out the Crows line-up (As an example) and see how good they would be performing....

Walker or Jenkins (played 2 games with both schulz and dixon)
Jacobs (no ryder all year)
Talia (1 of Hombsch or Trengrove not in defence for most of the year)

I'm sure most of you would agree that they would struggle big time.

Hawthorn have been able to cover their key position players and that is why they are arguably one of the best sides ever.

The majority of sides would'nt be able to cover the KPP that Port have lost this year.
There is a lot of talk about Port's depth and whilst i agree that it isnt there to some extent, not many teams would have the ability to cover so many KPP injuries/suspension.

It doesn't excuse the losses against the likes of Carlton + Freo

Honestly, we have looked 100 times better with Trengrove rucking and Lobbe out injured.
Our midfield is our biggest weakness with blokes like Boak, Hartlett, Broadbent, Polec all struggling to make an impact.
Ebert has had a strong second half of the year, Gray and Pittard supurb all year, Wines good but his disposal needs a lot of work. Wingard starting to heat up like last year after an early season injury.
Throw in the young guys that have broken through like Austin, Clurey, DBJ and to an extent Young and it doesn't look too bad if the midfield is able to start firing again next year.

There is one major difference between Port being mid-table or a contender and that is their disposal efficiency. It is their biggest issue and it has cost them the games against, Carlton, Freo, WB, West Coast and Hawthorn. Should have won all those games and would be sitting top 1-4. Even the showdown where we were blown off the park early, we ended up with similar amount of scoring shots and had a chance in the second term to get back in the game but when we started to get momentum, we would turn the ball over and the Crows would goal at the other end. Story of our last two years imo.

I would expect a big drop off if you take Walker, Talia, Jenkins and Jacobs from the Crows line up as they are mostly if not all far better players than the blokes you're comparing them to. Especially over the past 2 years.

Port have issues and they have been there for 2 years. It's not even the talent that's the issue, it's the inconsistent output of the effort that you see from top performing sides.

Brodlach wrote:Two finals appearances in eight years says more than anything else

It's not pretty, there's worse and better, we were as bad as any '09, '10, '11..

Adelaide - 3 in 8
Brisbane - 1 / 8
Carlton - 3 / 8
Collingwood - 5 / 8
Essendon - 3 / 8
Fremantle - 5 / 8
Geelong - 7 / 8
Hawks - 7 / 8
Melbourne - 0 / 8
North - 3 / 8
Richmond - 3 / 8
St Kilda - 3 / 8
Sydney - 7 / 8
West Coast - 3 / 8
Bulldogs - 3 / 8

1 side 0 from 8, 1 side with 1 from 8, 1 side 2 from 8, 8 sides 3 from 8 but the most interesting is 4 premiers since 2007, so much for equalization.

LaughingKookaburra wrote:

bd u15 09 wrote:Take these guys out the Crows line-up (As an example) and see how good they would be performing....

Walker or Jenkins (played 2 games with both schulz and dixon)
Jacobs (no ryder all year)
Talia (1 of Hombsch or Trengrove not in defence for most of the year)

I'm sure most of you would agree that they would struggle big time.

Hawthorn have been able to cover their key position players and that is why they are arguably one of the best sides ever.

The majority of sides would'nt be able to cover the KPP that Port have lost this year.
There is a lot of talk about Port's depth and whilst i agree that it isnt there to some extent, not many teams would have the ability to cover so many KPP injuries/suspension.

It doesn't excuse the losses against the likes of Carlton + Freo

Honestly, we have looked 100 times better with Trengrove rucking and Lobbe out injured.
Our midfield is our biggest weakness with blokes like Boak, Hartlett, Broadbent, Polec all struggling to make an impact.
Ebert has had a strong second half of the year, Gray and Pittard supurb all year, Wines good but his disposal needs a lot of work. Wingard starting to heat up like last year after an early season injury.
Throw in the young guys that have broken through like Austin, Clurey, DBJ and to an extent Young and it doesn't look too bad if the midfield is able to start firing again next year.

There is one major difference between Port being mid-table or a contender and that is their disposal efficiency. It is their biggest issue and it has cost them the games against, Carlton, Freo, WB, West Coast and Hawthorn. Should have won all those games and would be sitting top 1-4. Even the showdown where we were blown off the park early, we ended up with similar amount of scoring shots and had a chance in the second term to get back in the game but when we started to get momentum, we would turn the ball over and the Crows would goal at the other end. Story of our last two years imo.

I would expect a big drop off if you take Walker, Talia, Jenkins and Jacobs from the Crows line up as they are mostly if not all far better players than the blokes you're comparing them to. Especially over the past 2 years.

Port have issues and they have been there for 2 years. It's not even the talent that's the issue, it's the inconsistent output of the effort that you see from top performing sides.

You'll find Walker, Talia, Jenkins and Jacobs don't play for Port, bdu is explaining ( again ) that these aren't flankers and outside runners we're missing here it's the KPP at both ends and in the middle.

Agree they would drop off, any club would but 2 in8 stands above everything. Port really have only themselves to blame for poor recruiting choices. Whilst they have got a couple of good players in Ryder and Dicon (yet to prove his worth) some of the others have cost a bit for little in return (Polec and Toumpas) where a youngster could/would have given you more.

Brodlach wrote:Agree they would drop off, any club would but 2 in8 stands above everything. Port really have only themselves to blame for poor recruiting choices. Whilst they have got a couple of good players in Ryder and Dicon (yet to prove his worth) some of the others have cost a bit for little in return (Polec and Toumpas) where a youngster could/would have given you more.

Could or would?

Booney wrote:

Brodlach wrote:Agree they would drop off, any club would but 2 in8 stands above everything. Port really have only themselves to blame for poor recruiting choices. Whilst they have got a couple of good players in Ryder and Dicon (yet to prove his worth) some of the others have cost a bit for little in return (Polec and Toumpas) where a youngster could/would have given you more.

Could or would?

Or Should?

Safe to say it's going to be 2 finals appearances in 9 seasons.

Jim05 wrote:

Booney wrote:

Jim05 wrote:
And last year when you had a full side all season?

We've seen Ports squad doesn't have the depth to be a premiership contender right now, finishing mid table is where we are at. You don't agree?

Probably not this year but massive disappointments last year and should of played finals.
If they can't get into finals next year then either the coach goes or a massive rebuild has to happen

Why wait for 3 failed years to move him on?
Do it now and next year with a full compliment of players offers a lot more.
Kenny has shown he is not up to it....... There was a reason no one wanted him as head coach for several years!

amber_fluid wrote:

Jim05 wrote:

Booney wrote:

Jim05 wrote:
And last year when you had a full side all season?

We've seen Ports squad doesn't have the depth to be a premiership contender right now, finishing mid table is where we are at. You don't agree?

Probably not this year but massive disappointments last year and should of played finals.
If they can't get into finals next year then either the coach goes or a massive rebuild has to happen

Why wait for 3 failed years to move him on?
Do it now and next year with a full compliment of players offers a lot more.
Kenny has shown he is not up to it....... There was a reason no one wanted him as head coach for several years!

I think Port should definitely take advice from anyone from Carlton. I mean Ratten to malthouse was a master stroke.

I personally would have never employed Malthouse.
He was only ever in it for the money at Carlton.
But the club lives and learns and now hopefully with Bolton is finally on the right track.

You can support a team without agreeing with everything they do.
BTW I know plenty of Power supporters who don't think Hinkley is the answer!

Booney wrote:Yeah, most sides can cover all their key position players....

I wasn't talking about port being any good after losing them, im talking about them not beating Brisbane. Which they should do even with another 5 out