Crows in trouble - CHEATS

[whufc]

It was a terrible deal as confessed by Reidy as the worst deal in the club's history.

Friggin stupidity, yep. Cheating? Well we cheated ourselves out of a first and second round draft picks last year deluding ourselves that he wanted to stay.

Umm what other word would you use to describe deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules.

Cheats best describes that in my books

[mickey]

Crows to be fined and lose draft picks
Sat 27 Oct, 12:00 AM

ADELAIDE is expecting to have selections taken from it over the next two national drafts.As the Kurt Tippett investigation intensifies, The Weekend Australian understands that the Crows have hidden from the AFL at least $300,000 in payments to him over the past three years.

The league has already discovered guaranteed payments of $100,000 a season over the length of Tippett's three-year contract from 2009 that were outside the club's salary cap.

[FIGJAM11]

Stupidest deal in history?



"A somewhat controversial figure at Princes Park before and after his brief stay in 2000, Stephen O’Reilly was heavily involved in the most disastrous episode in Carlton’s history – the 2002 Black Friday penalties that pushed the club to the brink of ruin. Two years beforehand, he was recruited (at considerable cost) as a ready-made successor for Carlton’s champion full-back Stephen Silvagni, but managed only a dozen games before retiring due to a chronic hamstring injury. A year after that retirement, his name hit the sporting headlines again when he was one of four players (O’Reilly, Silvagni, Craig Bradley and Fraser Brown) targeted by a major AFL investigation into salary cap breaches by the Blues.

Originally from Swan Districts in WA, O’Reilly caught the eye of AFL scouts when he was quite sensational at centre half-back for his state against South Australia in 1992. Geelong won the contest for his signature, and the Cats seemed to have hit the jackpot when the powerfully-built O’Reilly settled into full-back, and capped his second season at Kardinia Park as Geelong’s best player in their 1994 Grand Final defeat by West Coast.

Although the Cats were desperate to keep him, O’Reilly switched clubs to Fremantle in 1995, becoming a foundation player with the Dockers in their debut AFL season. He went on to appear in 98 matches for them over five years, although late in 1997 he tore a hamstring tendon so badly, it was ripped from the bone. O’Reilly was never the same player after that injury, and during his last two seasons with the Purple Haze was regularly stationed up forward.

In 1999 Fremantle let it be known that O’Reilly had requested a transfer to a Victorian club for “family reasons”. Meanwhile, at Carlton, full-back of the century Stephen Silvagni was in the twilight of his great career, so O’Reilly loomed as an ideal replacement, if - and it was, indeed, a big if - he was able to recapture his best form. Carlton was certain that he was, assuring supporters that he had "many years of good footy ahead of him," (Inside Carlton, 1999).

A lot of the Bluebagger faithful were not so easily convinced, nor were they happy at the cost of O’Reilly’s recruitment. To get him to Princes Park, Carlton gave up National Draft picks 16 and 46 – used by the Dockers to select Brendon Fewster and Adam Butler.

Doubts about O’Reilly’s fitness gained credence when he wasn’t ready for the first two games of season 2000, and worse still, had played just six matches (with minimal impact) by round 15. He began four of his next eight games on the interchange bench, before the club finally ran out of patience with him after round 21. He wasn’t selected in any of Carlton's three finals teams, and it was no real surprise when he retired after just that one season, before the age of 28.

In retiring before his contract expired, O’Reilly created a financial headache for the Blues, who were obligated to pay him out early. The way Carlton did this, and also the way the club was handling financial dealings with the other three at the time, clearly contravened the AFL salary cap rules. This came to light twelve months later, after the AFL completed it’s enquiry into the financial dealings of the Carlton Football Club.

While all four Blues were found guilty of breaching the rules, O’Reilly’s apparent eagerness to please during the enquiry was seen as a contributing factor in the horrendous penalties handed out. On Friday, November 22, 2002, Carlton was fined $930,000, and excluded from the national draft and pre-season draft until 2004. It was a savage blow that sent the Blues into the football wilderness for almost a decade. It handed our club shame, and the unprecedented misery of three wooden spoons in five years.

It is fair to say that O'Reilly will be remembered as a sometimes outstanding full-back in his 134 games for Geelong and Fremantle - but as for his time at Carlton, it is best forgotten by all."

(From Blueseum)

regards,

REB

Damn Geelong Rat !!!!!!!! We only paid him to stop him playing .....

What i find pathetic is the way the AFL back their drug policies, salary cap and draft but the only way they catch people or find things out is when they confess. It's only going to get worse with the amount of money going around and atm they have hopeless precedures in place to catch people out. No club is squeaky clean.

[Hondo]

Umm what other word would you use to describe deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules.

Cheats best describes that in my books

I guess I have to agree with you when you put it like that.

I was only talking about the get out clause in the contract which was discussed many times on here before now without anyone claiming it was cheating. If that was all that happened I call it stupid rather than cheating.

Salary cap rorts are a whole different level and if that is what is found to have happened then yep we are cheats and throw the book at us. That and/or if it comes out that we did this on multiple contracts. Then to me you have a systematic plan otherwise called cheating rather than a one off blunder.

[Sojourner]

Trigg should have been stood down by the club immediately, his position at the AFC is now untenable. For Trigg to remain in that position fronting the media and being the face of the club is a disgrace and makes the club look even more unprofessional than it already is if that were possible.

[Tassie Blues]

Losing picks in this year’s draft is no big issue as the list is almost full anyway and neither is a fine. Big problem is going to be if we can’t pick in next year’s draft guess that make it even more important to win a flag/flags in the next 3 years.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Fine is a slight concern to the sanfl I'm guessing.

[JK]

Fine is a slight concern to the sanfl I'm guessing.

Yeah had the same thought

[UK Fan]

It was a terrible deal as confessed by Reidy as the worst deal in the club's history.

Friggin stupidity, yep. Cheating? Well we cheated ourselves out of a first and second round draft picks last year deluding ourselves that he wanted to stay.

Umm what other word would you use to describe deliberately and knowingly breaking the rules.

Cheats best describes that in my books

Absolute cheats!!!

Restricted from trading and drafting right before the move to Adelaide Oval.

What a disaster for the 31000 Die hard crows fans left.

[UK Fan]

Fine is a slight concern to the sanfl I'm guessing.

Yeah had the same thought

Can we trust crows financials ??? How many other off the book deals have they done with sponsors costing sanfl clubs revenue.

[Barto]

Fine is a slight concern to the sanfl I'm guessing.

It was my first thought as well, how does this affect our clubs? There's already so much debt accrued due to Port Adelaide's issues without the Crows also bleeding money.

Perhaps it's time to cut them loose as well.

[Killa]

If they lose draft picks, crows are likely to recruit vfl, sanfl and wafl players.

explain how they obtain these players without drafting them?
and where do they draft players from otherwise?

There draft picks will most likely be moved to the last rounds. If they are ban from participation of the national draft crows are likely to get the last picks in the preseason or if not through the rookie listings. For example crows could have draft picks 90 to 95.

[KEYDEFENDER]

Crows = desperate (finally a big forward, and Neil Craig can not afford to loose to Gold coast)
Tippett/Blucher = greedy. (right place right time)

Crows = Gone.

Team bigger than a greedy family.

[fish]

Am wondering whether anyone has come up with some alternative words for the Crows song, or a Hitlers bunker parody, in relation to this scandal?

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Staring to write one now.

[Dutchy]

Am wondering whether anyone has come up with some alternative words for the Crows song, or a Hitlers bunker parody, in relation to this scandal?

Saw one the other day but cant remember where, started with "We are the Carlton of South Australia"

[Killa]

Looks like crows will need to delist a player but then will reselect the player in the draft. Crows would have one draft pick after crouch elevation, reselection of delisted crow player and 2 rookie elevations. So do the crows draft an experience player like lower or a Surjan.

[JK]

Looks like crows will need to delist a player but then will reselect the player in the draft. Crows would have one draft pick after crouch elevation, reselection of delisted crow player and 2 rookie elevations. So do the crows draft an experience player like lower or a Surjan.

I might be wrong here, but I dont think Lower was delisted??

[GWW]

There was talk of Lower having being delisted, not sure if that was confirmed though.

[TEX07]

There was talk of Lower having being delisted, not sure if that was confirmed though.

Lower didn't get delisted