Sack Craig

[Hondo]

We won't be 0-8. 0-4 is very disappointing but a coach that has never missed the finals in a full year of coaching isn't someone you sack after 4 weeks nor is he someone who can't coach on match day.

Like this time last year, the anti-NC brigade are out in force and good on them. They know as well as we do what sort of clubs sack coaches after 4 weeks and how much worse that would make things this year and possibly next. So of course they post up that he should be sacked.

I pinned more hopes on 2011-2013 however NC and the club have talked up 2010 so they deserve the scrutiny that comes with opening up at 0-4. I never expected such a bad start. I was at the game on Saturday and the second quarter was one of the worst quarters I can recall seeing live.

In modern day clubs the senior coach is one of a very large team that also includes the players. I don't think you can simplify all the problems down to one link in the chain, albiet a very important link. They've all got to lift their game, players included. To blame NC 100% lets the players, fitness staff and the other coaches off the hook.

Lift everyone!!!!

[Footy Smart]

We won't be 0-8. 0-4 is very disappointing but a coach that has never missed the finals in a full year of coaching isn't someone you sack after 4 weeks nor is he someone who can't coach on match day.

Like this time last year, the anti-NC brigade are out in force and good on them. They know as well as we do what sort of clubs sack coaches after 4 weeks and how much worse that would make things this year and possibly next. So of course they post up that he should be sacked.

I pinned more hopes on 2011-2013 however NC and the club have talked up 2010 so they deserve the scrutiny that comes with opening up at 0-4. I never expected such a bad start. I was at the game on Saturday and the second quarter was one of the worst quarters I can recall seeing live.

In modern day clubs the senior coach is one of a very large team that also includes the players. I don't think you can simplify all the problems down to one link in the chain, albiet a very important link. They've all got to lift their game, players included. To blame NC 100% lets the players, fitness staff and the other coaches off the hook.

Lift everyone!!!!

Stop talking so much sense Hondo!!!! your embarrassing the idiots on this site

*idiots = Anti-NC Brigade

[X Runna]

I wouldn't hire Roo he has no previous coaching experience with a current AFL club

Nor does Michael Voss and at this stage of the year he could be leading the coaches award........

Roo has football smarts, the whole world knows that. He is respected by his former team-mates and held in awe by the younger brigade. The players would hang off his every word, and then apply it........... very similar to Voss.

The one thing lacking in the Crows game is flair. Craig needs to let the shackles off and let them have some fun with the ball & what they do with it. The pre-season training structure seems to be wrong, and the game plan is too static & predictable. And, he is playing people out of position - always has..........

Not having a go here, cos my mob aren't doing any better the past 2 weeks BUT so many people are of the opinion he is probably not the ideal coach at the moment - the Crows management HAVE to look outside their little realm and see what the punters are saying. Bums on seats and memberships are what keeps clubs afloat. Only 35,000 at Football Park on Saturday against a side with good drawing power, kinda says people are becoming resentful already, and that is always at the coach first before the players. A few more bad weeks and those numbers will really drop - then the board will have to have a real hard look.

I don't think any of the Crows assistants have the flair necessary to take over the mantle. I think they will all prove to be fantastic assistants over many years, but can't see any of them being head coach material. I also think that if one of the assistants took over they would preach the same gospel as Craig is now, when it is obvious it doesn't work. Roo has said that publicly in the past week.

If I was Roo, I would be making sure all the pubs etc are in tip top order as I don't think he will have many hours to spend in them as of around October, and maybe even a bit earlier...........

[Hondo]

The one thing lacking in the Crows game is flair. Craig needs to let the shackles off and let them have some fun with the ball & what they do with it. The pre-season training structure seems to be wrong, and the game plan is too static & predictable. And, he is playing people out of position - always has..........

Come on, how quickly we forget and revert back to cliches.

For the last half of 2009 the Crows were seen as one of the most attacking and creative teams in the comp. There was plenty of "flair".

Injuries have de-stablised the team and confidence has dropped right off so now we look hopeless.

Mark Ricciuto as head coach of an AFL club right this second = even he would agree!

[X Runna]

The one thing lacking in the Crows game is flair. Craig needs to let the shackles off and let them have some fun with the ball & what they do with it. The pre-season training structure seems to be wrong, and the game plan is too static & predictable. And, he is playing people out of position - always has..........

Come on, how quickly we forget and revert back to cliches.

For the last half of 2009 the Crows were seen as one of the most attacking and creative teams in the comp. There was plenty of "flair".

Injuries have de-stablised the team and confidence has dropped right off so now we look hopeless.

Mark Ricciuto as head coach of an AFL club right this second = even he would agree!

I agree about the flair last year, but this is a new year, and it ain't happening. Even you have to agree with that, for whatever the reason may be........

Injuries have caused you a lot of concern, granted, but a lot of that was during pre-season, which is why that part of the program looks wrong. Injuries aren't like a cold, you can't catch them by being near someone who has one. Therefore, is that the fitness coaching staff or program, or is it the medical side, is it the assistant coaches' faults for having the players train a certain way - or is it all coming from Craig? Either way, it is Craig's call - he is the man being paid the big bucks to make sure it all works.......

I have no personal issue with Craig, think he has done quite well over the past few years, but at the moment the Crows are playing to a style which does not suit their available players. This is where Craig has to adapt and improvise, and I guess we'll see over the next few weeks whether he is capable of that (many say he is not). If he is too stubborn to see what needs to be done, one has to ask "is he the right man for the job?"

Roo in charge of any other AFL club and I agree, very similar to Voss again (virtually laughed at when he was first touting for a job). However, look what Voss has done at his lifelong club - without ANY coaching experience at any senior level whatsoever. Yes, he has brought in some playing experience through very good recruiting, but aside from Fev, none of them were guns at their original clubs. The respect he has within the group in Brisbane has made them want to listen to new ideas & apply them.

Roo is nearly exactly where Voss was 3 years ago. Recently retired but still close enough to the club, knows all the players, is respected by them and the board, knows the players strengths and weaknesses (first hand in most cases), is a proven leader, knows the game intimately, is active within the game via the media, is a Brownlow medallist, premiership player, stands tall amongst men.............

I would bet that if Roo was officially, discreetly & sincerely approached by the board with regard to "what if", his hand would be up quicker than a 5yo schoolboy wanting a wee.

[Hondo]

Roo is nearly exactly where Voss was 3 years ago. Recently retired but still close enough to the club, knows all the players, is respected by them and the board, is active within the game via the media, is a Brownlow medallist, premiership player, stands tall amongst men.

I would bet that if Roo was officially, discreetly & sincerely approached by the board with regard to "what if", his hand would be up quicker than a 5yo schoolboy wanting a wee.

With all respect to Roo (how do I say this delicately) I'm not sure you can compare the two of them in terms of potential coaches. I'll leave it with you to read between the lines. As players, yes compare them. Off field, I think Roo lacks some of the attributes Vossy and even Buckly have. I think you see Roo as the inspirational type leader but that would wear off very quickly and unless he has the coaching smarts required at the top level we'll be in a worse spot than you think we are now.

Not many guys get to bypass the assistant coach pathway. I don't think Roo is one of those guys. I definitely didn't laugh when Vossy was given the job, nor would I have laughed if Bucks got the job at NM.

[overloaded]

Roo's off field antics may play against him, in the football circles

[Hondo]

TBH, I reckon Bickley is next in line. He'd be fighting with Viney probably. Roo needs to go off and get an assistants job somewhere if he is serious about being an AFL coach. I've never got any indication that he's serious about it but maybe I'm wrong.

[X Runna]

Roo is nearly exactly where Voss was 3 years ago. Recently retired but still close enough to the club, knows all the players, is respected by them and the board, is active within the game via the media, is a Brownlow medallist, premiership player, stands tall amongst men.

I would bet that if Roo was officially, discreetly & sincerely approached by the board with regard to "what if", his hand would be up quicker than a 5yo schoolboy wanting a wee.

With all respect to Roo (how do I say this delicately) I'm not sure you can compare the two of them in terms of potential coaches. I'll leave it with you to read between the lines. As players, yes compare them. Off field, I think Roo lacks some of the attributes Vossy and even Buckly have. I think you see Roo as the inspirational type leader but that would wear off very quickly and unless he has the coaching smarts required at the top level we'll be in a worse spot than you think we are now.

Not many guys get to bypass the assistant coach pathway. I don't think Roo is one of those guys. I definitely didn't laugh when Vossy was given the job, nor would I have laughed if Bucks got the job at NM.

You could well be right, I don't have the close connection as do Crows supporters, but looking in the from the outside, he still seems the obvious choice.

I very much think he would have the coaching smarts, maybe not as much charisma as Voss & Buckley - that could be the difference in their overall coaching abilities, whether he can convey the message? Has been the demise of several astute coaches over the years.

FWIW, I think Buckley will be sensational when he is given the gig, next season is it?

TBH, I reckon Bickley is next in line. He'd be fighting with Viney probably. Roo needs to go off and get an assistants job somewhere if he is serious about being an AFL coach. I've never got any indication that he's serious about it but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm thinking Viney would be the better man for the job if the vacancy did come up and they were going to appoint from within. Has considerably more experience and was an assistant during a premiership year - AND, was heavily involved in tinkering with a game plan to have it peak for September and the grand final. He also comes across as more of a natural sportsman who also has some pizzazz, whereas Bicks comes across as more the determined workhorse & that even reflected when he was reading the sports for Channel 9 news.

[Hondo]

I like Viney or Bickley as next in line.

I actually think there's a talented enough bunch of coaches in place already they just need to sort this 0-4 start out. Whatever shortcomings NC may have should be getting balanced out by the others. I believe the assistants were a key factor in Port's success 2001-2004. It's not just about the senior coach anymore.

I think Buckley gets the job from MM in 2012. Allegedly there's already conflict between the 2 of them in regards to coaching decisions but that's probably just rumours.

[Drop Bear]

Not sure if it's the game plan, but they're overusing the footy at the moment. Always one too many handballs.
Revert back to old-fashioned footy Craigy!

[JK]

I like Viney or Bickley as next in line.

Reckon you're right mate, that's as it stands today and only from an internal perspective ... Craigy won't go anywhere this season I don't reckon and in fact I reckon he's still a solid favourite to be there throughout 2011.

[Rik E Boy]

Buckley? Charisma?

regards,

REB

[CK]

Roo is nearly exactly where Voss was 3 years ago. Recently retired but still close enough to the club, knows all the players, is respected by them and the board, is active within the game via the media, is a Brownlow medallist, premiership player, stands tall amongst men.

I would bet that if Roo was officially, discreetly & sincerely approached by the board with regard to "what if", his hand would be up quicker than a 5yo schoolboy wanting a wee.

With all respect to Roo (how do I say this delicately) I'm not sure you can compare the two of them in terms of potential coaches. I'll leave it with you to read between the lines. As players, yes compare them. Off field, I think Roo lacks some of the attributes Vossy and even Buckly have. I think you see Roo as the inspirational type leader but that would wear off very quickly and unless he has the coaching smarts required at the top level we'll be in a worse spot than you think we are now.

Not many guys get to bypass the assistant coach pathway. I don't think Roo is one of those guys. I definitely didn't laugh when Vossy was given the job, nor would I have laughed if Bucks got the job at NM.

When asked the question post game on Triple M, Ricciuto burst out laughing and said it was a lot easier up in the commentary box than it ever would be in the coaches box, and no thank you.

[X Runna]

Roo is nearly exactly where Voss was 3 years ago. Recently retired but still close enough to the club, knows all the players, is respected by them and the board, is active within the game via the media, is a Brownlow medallist, premiership player, stands tall amongst men.

I would bet that if Roo was officially, discreetly & sincerely approached by the board with regard to "what if", his hand would be up quicker than a 5yo schoolboy wanting a wee.

With all respect to Roo (how do I say this delicately) I'm not sure you can compare the two of them in terms of potential coaches. I'll leave it with you to read between the lines. As players, yes compare them. Off field, I think Roo lacks some of the attributes Vossy and even Buckly have. I think you see Roo as the inspirational type leader but that would wear off very quickly and unless he has the coaching smarts required at the top level we'll be in a worse spot than you think we are now.

Not many guys get to bypass the assistant coach pathway. I don't think Roo is one of those guys. I definitely didn't laugh when Vossy was given the job, nor would I have laughed if Bucks got the job at NM.

When asked the question post game on Triple M, Ricciuto burst out laughing and said it was a lot easier up in the commentary box than it ever would be in the coaches box, and no thank you.

But that was on radio, not face to face, officially, discreetly & sincerely with the board of the AFC.............

[Dog_ger]

I think someone has over complicated our great game.

Just play 1 on 1 footy.

Man up. And be responsable for your man.

I scratch my head at closed door training...?

Why?

#1. GET THE BALL.

[X Runna]

I think someone has over complicated our great game.

Just play 1 on 1 footy.

Man up. And be responsible for your man.

I scratch my head at closed door training...?

Why?

#1. GET THE BALL.

EXACTLY...........

[Q.]

Just play 1 on 1 footy.

Man up. And be responsable for your man

Funnily enough it's back in vogue among AFL coaching circles.

[Gozu]

I think someone has over complicated our great game.

Just play 1 on 1 footy.

Man up. And be responsable for your man.

I scratch my head at closed door training...?

Why?

#1. GET THE BALL.

It's been quite intentional, they've got to try and justify their huge salaries somehow.

[Rik E Boy]

I think someone has over complicated our great game.

Just play 1 on 1 footy.

Man up. And be responsable for your man.

I scratch my head at closed door training...?

Why?

#1. GET THE BALL.

Great what happens when you play Geelong or St Kilda? The Cats challenge you to play one on one seeking to own the corridor and the Saints will zone you back to the stoneage. Like or it or not, the game has evolved.

regards,

REB