Comparing AFL footy with soccer

[whufc]

But you know it's not possible in the afl to have a "fair" fixture.

agree it would be extremly difficult near on impossible.

personally i would be happy to see the NAB Cup gone which could add an extra month and would see it a bit fairer. Even if that meant AFL lists had to be extended by 2-5 players a team.

i just think no team should be advantaged or disadvantaged by the fixture because of their crowd pulling ability etc etc.

Last year being a classic example. Sydney finished 3rd one game clear of 5th spot having the advantage of playing GWS twice. Admittedly they proved in the finals series they were the best side in the comp.

[whufc]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

[The Sleeping Giant]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

Sydney have to play GWS twice every year.

[whufc]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

Sydney have to play GWS twice every year.

Exactly so for the next few years Sydney has a one game advantage over teams who only play them once for no other reason than location, throw in the extra salary cap and its a nice little score.

[Jim05]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

Sydney have to play GWS twice every year.

Correct, they will always have a minimum of 3 games between GWS and GC.
In a couple of years time these 2 wont be easy beats though.
A draw will never be fair unless 34 rounds are played so we just have to get used to it as nothing will change.
I would love to see the day we play 34 rounds and play midweek games. Obviously would need an increase in squad size but maybe one day it could happen

[whufc]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

Sydney have to play GWS twice every year.

Correct, they will always have a minimum of 3 games between GWS and GC.
In a couple of years time these 2 wont be easy beats though.
A draw will never be fair unless 34 rounds are played so we just have to get used to it as nothing will change.
I would love to see the day we play 34 rounds and play midweek games. Obviously would need an increase in squad size but maybe one day it could happen

Agree, over time it may even out but on a year by year basis there are definatly teams who will get a clear games advantage. There is no way anyone can say getting to play GWS twice this year is not an advantage against sides who only play them once.

If you scrapped the NAB Cup and a the mid year bye rounds you have already extended the season by 5 games without extending the dates games are played between.

[The Sleeping Giant]

With a further look into last season as an example

Sydney finished 3rd on 16 wins
West Coast finished 5th on 15 wins

Sydney played 3 games against GWS and GC, 4 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL (the other top 4 sides)

West Coast played 2 games against GWS and GC, 5 games against HAW, ADEL & COLL

While you cant predict this at the start of the season its pretty fair to say by seasons end Sydney had at very least a one game advantage over the Coasters.

Sydney have to play GWS twice every year.

Correct, they will always have a minimum of 3 games between GWS and GC.
In a couple of years time these 2 wont be easy beats though.
A draw will never be fair unless 34 rounds are played so we just have to get used to it as nothing will change.
I would love to see the day we play 34 rounds and play midweek games. Obviously would need an increase in squad size but maybe one day it could happen

Make hay while the sun shines.

[The Sleeping Giant]

@whufc

I noticed you conveniently left out the fact Sydney had to play the reigning premiers twice in 2012.

[whufc]

@whufc

I noticed you conveniently left out the fact Sydney had to play the reigning premiers twice in 2012.

Which is kind of what my point is, playing Geelong twice would have been seen as a real tough draw but in hindsight they finished 6th and were only above average. While West Coast had to play Fremantle twice which at the start of the season would have appeared an advantage but they only finished one game behind the reigning premiers.

The AFL can try and make it as even as possible but while each team plays 22 games there are definatly sides who will finish up with at very least a game advantage over other sides. Which could be difference between an important ladder positon ala 4th or 5th, 6th or 7th etc etc.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Well, you've lost me if it's all just hindsight. Never worry about the draw. Nothing you can do to change it. The people who complain about it are just whingers.

[whufc]

Well, you've lost me if it's all just hindsight. Never worry about the draw. Nothing you can do to change it. The people who complain about it are just whingers.

What im saying is no matter how much the AFL try and make a 22 game fixture equal based on location, previous years results and blockbuster game there is alway going to be a team who has had an easier draw than another.

It doesnt bother me either as im a follower of the AFL rather than an individual team.

My original point which started all this was that there was no point the Crows fans carrying on about the Power having not played any decent sides yet because unless they go with a 36 round season there is always going to be teams who are percieved to have a 'softer' draw than others.

[Hondo]

I still believe regardless of the draw that the right teams end up in the finals and then ultimately the grand final. I can't recall too many cases where teams have fluked in because of the draw. Last year the Crows finished top 4 on the back of the draw but I think played well enough to be a top 8 side regardless. As it turned out the finals system weeded them out by the prelim final stage as we lost to the two grand finalists.

The system works it out eventually.

I don't think you need to go through the motions of 2 games against each opponent to get the to point you need to, being the best 8 teams in finals. There's a point in any season where the best teams and the worst teams are obvious and I would argue you reach that point even earlier than round 23 but 22 games is set now and seems to work.

Playing 12 more games just for the sake of trying to be fair would ultimately be pointless IMO. In fact, if in those 12 extra games the best teams cop key injuries then you could argue the longer season actually ends up less fair.

In competitions where there aren't finals series I can understand why they try to make the draw even. They don't have a finals series to weed out any pretenders so have to rely soley on head to head. I'm not an expert on Soccer so don't know if every Soccer comp runs just on head to head results without a finals series. ?

[Booney]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

[scoob]

FFS move this to the soccer thread mods

[kickinit]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

well said

[whufc]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

Sad part is with bloke like Lindsay Thomas and Kane Cornes the gap is closing every week, diving forward when tacked is the AFL's version of Soccer players diving when ankle tapped

Both sports involve a different kind of physical pressence

[Squids]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

Sad part is with bloke like Lindsay Thomas and Kane Cornes the gap is closing every week, diving forward when tacked is the AFL's version of Soccer players diving when ankle tapped

Both sports involve a different kind of physical pressence

You forgot these fairies

GAblett
Hodge
Cotchin
McGlynn
Justin Westoff
Rockliff


Lindsay Thomas is an utter disgrace though.

[Booney]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

Sad part is with bloke like Lindsay Thomas and Kane Cornes the gap is closing every week, diving forward when tacked is the AFL's version of Soccer players diving when ankle tapped

Earning a free kick when someone falls into your back is one thing, flying like a trapeze stunt gone wrong when a shadow drifts by you is another.

[whufc]

Comparing AFL footy with soccer is like comparing James Bond with Austin Powers.

One is tough,uncompromising and action packed while the other is nothing more than over the top acting by over paid nancys who take every opportunity to simply lay down.

Sad part is with bloke like Lindsay Thomas and Kane Cornes the gap is closing every week, diving forward when tacked is the AFL's version of Soccer players diving when ankle tapped

Earning a free kick when someone falls into your back is one thing, flying like a trapeze stunt gone wrong when a shadow drifts by you is another.

Have u never sprinted as fast as u posibly can and then get ankled tapped by another bloke who sprinting his fasted, you are going to fall over every single time (admittedly there are alot that carry on)

My point more is players are now diving or making frees happen from acting in AFL more than ever, even daves admitted he took contact and folded to win the sliding rule free

[woodublieve12]

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