2016 Silly Season, Trades and Rumours and utter BS

[Dogwatcher]

Would there be any interest in Colquhoun?

[Booney]

Would there be any interest in Colquhoun?

Not if they've been watching the Magpies this year. His kicking has lacked penetration, he's lost some of his pace and has struggled to regularly get a mention in the best.

[Grahaml]

I remember the Collingwood officials walking away from the meeting with David Cloke when Jason decided to pick them instead of Richmond, strutting as if they'd landed the biggest father/son haul of all time. Jason was meant to be one of the great backmen, then Cameron a dominating ruckmen. Travis did for a while become the best key forward in the game, but wow it was short lived and I imagine if Eddie today went back to that day and told himself what would happen young Eddie would laugh at old Eddie.

Where do your memories come from? Where did you see this at the time?
I remember the club anticipating that Cameron and Jason could be quality footballers, not necessarily champions. Sadly, they didn't live up to that - Jason had a reasonable career, but certainly not what anyone would have hoped.
As for Travis, the past few years haven't been great (and this year was terrible) but he's an All Australian, won a club b&f, our goalkicking four times and was a formidable player in our grand final runs, including our tilt at the 2007 grand final.
He hasn't had the career finish that I'd have hoped, but he's been a champion for our club. I don't think Eddie would regret that.

Who said regret? I just said they didn't end up having the careers Collingwood thought they would when they drafted them. One by one you've agreed with me, so I'm not sure why you start off trying to disagree.

[hawks21]

Great year to have pick 1 in the PSD. Essendon have been into him for a fair while now and have plenty of cap room. Will be interesting if he chooses us but think he will somehow get to Hawthorn

Not sure that is the case Jim. 3 quarters of your salary cap is tied up for the next 5 years over paying Hurley, Hooker, Heppell and who else looked like leaving. You will also need cap space over the next few years to pay Merrett and the likes when they come out of contract.

[PatowalongaPirate]

Richmond have put on their website that Prestia is on his way.

Kangaroos showing interest in Nathan Brown but the Pies have a contract offer in front of him.

[tigerpie]

I remember the Collingwood officials walking away from the meeting with David Cloke when Jason decided to pick them instead of Richmond, strutting as if they'd landed the biggest father/son haul of all time. Jason was meant to be one of the great backmen, then Cameron a dominating ruckmen. Travis did for a while become the best key forward in the game, but wow it was short lived and I imagine if Eddie today went back to that day and told himself what would happen young Eddie would laugh at old Eddie.

Where do your memories come from? Where did you see this at the time?
I remember the club anticipating that Cameron and Jason could be quality footballers, not necessarily champions. Sadly, they didn't live up to that - Jason had a reasonable career, but certainly not what anyone would have hoped.
As for Travis, the past few years haven't been great (and this year was terrible) but he's an All Australian, won a club b&f, our goalkicking four times and was a formidable player in our grand final runs, including our tilt at the 2007 grand final.
He hasn't had the career finish that I'd have hoped, but he's been a champion for our club. I don't think Eddie would regret that.

I thought Jason was going to be a 200+ gamer for us but his form dropped away really fast in his last year, very similar to Travis.
Cameron was never going to make it.

[Jim05]

Richmond have put on their website that Prestia is on his way.

Kangaroos showing interest in Nathan Brown but the Pies have a contract offer in front of him.

All Prestia has done is nominated Richmond. It's now up to the Tigers to offer up a decent trade or pick if they want him

[Jim05]

Great year to have pick 1 in the PSD. Essendon have been into him for a fair while now and have plenty of cap room. Will be interesting if he chooses us but think he will somehow get to Hawthorn

Not sure that is the case Jim. 3 quarters of your salary cap is tied up for the next 5 years over paying Hurley, Hooker, Heppell and who else looked like leaving. You will also need cap space over the next few years to pay Merrett and the likes when they come out of contract.

Not true
We will have plenty in the tank.
Goddard's heavily back ended contract is now over and he will be on only close to a third of this years wage. If/when Hibberd leaves that will free up $350k and Cooney was on close to $400k.
Heppell didn't negotiate a new contract so his wage won't go up. Yes we paid overs for Hurley but that doesn't kick in until the end of next year. Hooker signed on decent money but not overs. All the others signed 1 or 2 year contracts on either minimum or moderate pay. Most of the kids have re-signed already so it's probably only Laverde and Jobe that will cost us a bit.

[heater31]

Are Hawthorn taking the piss or do they see something we all do not.......Tyronne Vickery a restricted free agent on a 3 year deal

[Q.]

I remember the Collingwood officials walking away from the meeting with David Cloke when Jason decided to pick them instead of Richmond, strutting as if they'd landed the biggest father/son haul of all time. Jason was meant to be one of the great backmen, then Cameron a dominating ruckmen. Travis did for a while become the best key forward in the game, but wow it was short lived and I imagine if Eddie today went back to that day and told himself what would happen young Eddie would laugh at old Eddie.

Where do your memories come from? Where did you see this at the time?
I remember the club anticipating that Cameron and Jason could be quality footballers, not necessarily champions. Sadly, they didn't live up to that - Jason had a reasonable career, but certainly not what anyone would have hoped.
As for Travis, the past few years haven't been great (and this year was terrible) but he's an All Australian, won a club b&f, our goalkicking four times and was a formidable player in our grand final runs, including our tilt at the 2007 grand final.
He hasn't had the career finish that I'd have hoped, but he's been a champion for our club. I don't think Eddie would regret that.

Who said regret? I just said they didn't end up having the careers Collingwood thought they would when they drafted them. One by one you've agreed with me, so I'm not sure why you start off trying to disagree.

If everyone turned out like we hoped, we wouldn't need recruiters, just hope.

[stan]

Are Hawthorn taking the piss or do they see something we all do not.......Tyronne Vickery a restricted free agent on a 3 year deal

The way they deliver the ball forward with the efficiency, well they feel they can get the best out of him.

[GWW]

The way Port is going with key position forwards stocks st the moment, if we dont bring anyone decent into the squad in the next few months, we'll finish up with Jake Neade at CHF and Dougal Howard at FF in a wheel chair.

[helicopterking]

Are Hawthorn taking the piss or do they see something we all do not.......Tyronne Vickery a restricted free agent on a 3 year deal

Clarksons career has nothing left to achieve, other then to show everyone that he can actually polish a turd.

[stan]

The way Port is going with key position forwards stocks st the moment, if we dont bring anyone decent into the squad in the next few months, we'll finish up with Jake Neade at CHF and Dougal Howard at FF in a wheel chair.

Dixon and Westhoff are the only 2 forwards really left now. Howard is long term injured.

I wonder though if they are looking at using Trengrove up forward next season or trying it. With Austin coming on down back, Cluery and Homsch as well you could say they when fit of course the have the KPP down back. So if there a chance they might use Trengrove uo forward and as the 2nd ruckmen? He holds his on in thr ruck at least and gives Port something. Just a thought perhaps.

[Jim05]

Hawks are magicians but surely it's a stretch turning Vickery into a footballer

[stan]

Hawks are magicians but surely it's a stretch turning Vickery into a footballer

I watched them turn spanger from absolute crap to passable.

Anythng seems possible.

[Brodlach]

Hawks have taken a few recently like Vickery. Fitzpatrick, Ceglar and Spanger come to mind

[helicopterking]

The way Port is going with key position forwards stocks st the moment, if we dont bring anyone decent into the squad in the next few months, we'll finish up with Jake Neade at CHF and Dougal Howard at FF in a wheel chair.

Dixon and Westhoff are the only 2 forwards really left now. Howard is long term injured.

I wonder though if they are looking at using Trengrove up forward next season or trying it. With Austin coming on down back, Cluery and Homsch as well you could say they when fit of course the have the KPP down back. So if there a chance they might use Trengrove uo forward and as the 2nd ruckmen? He holds his on in thr ruck at least and gives Port something. Just a thought perhaps.

Trengrove is a very average kick. Not sure forward is his go.
Taking a punt and Trading Jonas for a young forward might be more the go.

[hawks21]

Great year to have pick 1 in the PSD. Essendon have been into him for a fair while now and have plenty of cap room. Will be interesting if he chooses us but think he will somehow get to Hawthorn

Not sure that is the case Jim. 3 quarters of your salary cap is tied up for the next 5 years over paying Hurley, Hooker, Heppell and who else looked like leaving. You will also need cap space over the next few years to pay Merrett and the likes when they come out of contract.

Not true
We will have plenty in the tank.
Goddard's heavily back ended contract is now over and he will be on only close to a third of this years wage. If/when Hibberd leaves that will free up $350k and Cooney was on close to $400k.
Heppell didn't negotiate a new contract so his wage won't go up. Yes we paid overs for Hurley but that doesn't kick in until the end of next year. Hooker signed on decent money but not overs. All the others signed 1 or 2 year contracts on either minimum or moderate pay. Most of the kids have re-signed already so it's probably only Laverde and Jobe that will cost us a bit.

5 years at about $750k would be overs IMO for Hooker. When blokes like Hurley extend their contract, they rip up the current one and renegotiate the last year as part of their new contract, so his massive salary starts next season.
Hibbard/Cooney helps a bit but i don't think you will be able to bring in too much 'top end talent' over the next few years at the risk of losing some good young players. I don't think you have as much cap space as you think.

[hawks21]

The way Port is going with key position forwards stocks st the moment, if we dont bring anyone decent into the squad in the next few months, we'll finish up with Jake Neade at CHF and Dougal Howard at FF in a wheel chair.

Dixon and Westhoff are the only 2 forwards really left now. Howard is long term injured.

I wonder though if they are looking at using Trengrove up forward next season or trying it. With Austin coming on down back, Cluery and Homsch as well you could say they when fit of course the have the KPP down back. So if there a chance they might use Trengrove uo forward and as the 2nd ruckmen? He holds his on in thr ruck at least and gives Port something. Just a thought perhaps.

Trengrove is a very average kick. Not sure forward is his go.
Taking a punt and Trading Jonas for a young forward might be more the go.

Not sure how much trade value someone like Jonas/O'Shea has. Late 2nd round pick?
Even Hartlett now if Port wanted to trade him wouldn't attract as much as previous years with his inconsistency.
Port might have to look to the draft rather than trade in more players, their bottom half of the list (Amon etc) haven't developed as well as they would have hoped.