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Re: Sweet 16

Postby bennymacca » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:00 pm

LaughingKookaburra wrote:Always liked the Crows fruitingles jumper with the white shorts.

Am I the only one that thinks Port have gotten off lightly in the media this year with their performances. Heard a lot of how good a side they are and they will make a run at some stage. They are an extremely talented side that was by far in the top 2 favorites this year, they are going to miss the 8 by quite a bit. What the heck is wrong? It seems more than structures and attitude. The Crows in 2013 got absolutely roasted and deservidely so especially by Treadrea in media articles claiming "something smells"..... Something really wreaks this year at Port Adelaide.


Yeah I agree that they seem to have been let off the hook. Everyone has just expected them to come at some stage this year, but they just havent. They currently only have 1 more win than Essendon, Melbourne and St Kilda. Surely they are better than that
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby carey » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:13 pm

helicopterking wrote:What's going on with Boak?
Looks slow, can't chase. Really struggling with leg speed.



Not sure what game you were watching.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby bennymacca » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:16 pm

carey wrote:
helicopterking wrote:What's going on with Boak?
Looks slow, can't chase. Really struggling with leg speed.



Not sure what game you were watching.


boak was easily your best imo
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby carey » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:18 pm

Spargo wrote:Fair game of footy that.



Not sure about that. Out of 120 minutes of footy Port were absolutely pathetic for 100 minutes of it. Probably says a bit about both sides. Crows aren't that good (Port played 20 mins of footy and nearly won)

To be completely honest both treading water wouldn't matter which side make the 8 it'd just be making up the numbers both sides a mile off.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby carey » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:19 pm

bennymacca wrote:
carey wrote:
helicopterking wrote:What's going on with Boak?
Looks slow, can't chase. Really struggling with leg speed.



Not sure what game you were watching.


boak was easily your best imo



Makes 2 of us. Helicopter must see something we don't.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby carey » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:28 pm

bennymacca wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Always liked the Crows fruitingles jumper with the white shorts.

Am I the only one that thinks Port have gotten off lightly in the media this year with their performances. Heard a lot of how good a side they are and they will make a run at some stage. They are an extremely talented side that was by far in the top 2 favorites this year, they are going to miss the 8 by quite a bit. What the heck is wrong? It seems more than structures and attitude. The Crows in 2013 got absolutely roasted and deservidely so especially by Treadrea in media articles claiming "something smells"..... Something really wreaks this year at Port Adelaide.


Yeah I agree that they seem to have been let off the hook. Everyone has just expected them to come at some stage this year, but they just havent. They currently only have 1 more win than Essendon, Melbourne and St Kilda. Surely they are better than that



Your kidding me? 3 points today and your in the same position. :roll:

Port got ahead of themselves from the start of the year, our game is take the game quick ball movement now we're trying stop start footy. It ain't our game trying that style were bottom 4. Take the f**king game on.

3 blokes have broke even from last year Boak, Grey and Wingard. Wines a mention that's it.

Lobbe, Ryder, That little f**king Neade, Jonas, Broadbent, Montfries all pathetic. Drop the lot, Play the kids see who can play and Who can't at least we'll get a draw like the crows have.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby bennymacca » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:31 pm

carey wrote:Your kidding me? 3 points today and your in the same position. :roll:


say what now? We are now three games ahead of those teams, and would have been two games had we lost. you guys are a game ahead of those teams mentioned and 6 points behind geelong in 11th.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby JK » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:24 am

carey wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Always liked the Crows fruitingles jumper with the white shorts.

Am I the only one that thinks Port have gotten off lightly in the media this year with their performances. Heard a lot of how good a side they are and they will make a run at some stage. They are an extremely talented side that was by far in the top 2 favorites this year, they are going to miss the 8 by quite a bit. What the heck is wrong? It seems more than structures and attitude. The Crows in 2013 got absolutely roasted and deservidely so especially by Treadrea in media articles claiming "something smells"..... Something really wreaks this year at Port Adelaide.


Yeah I agree that they seem to have been let off the hook. Everyone has just expected them to come at some stage this year, but they just havent. They currently only have 1 more win than Essendon, Melbourne and St Kilda. Surely they are better than that



Your kidding me? 3 points today and your in the same position. :roll:

Port got ahead of themselves from the start of the year, our game is take the game quick ball movement now we're trying stop start footy. It ain't our game trying that style were bottom 4. Take the f**king game on.

3 blokes have broke even from last year Boak, Grey and Wingard. Wines a mention that's it.

Lobbe, Ryder, That little f**king Neade, Jonas, Broadbent, Montfries all pathetic. Drop the lot, Play the kids see who can play and Who can't at least we'll get a draw like the crows have.


Where do you rate Hartlett's season? I reckon he's capable of miles more than he's delivered this year .. Also Id have Hombsch in your better players this season.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby helicopterking » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:01 am

carey wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
carey wrote:
helicopterking wrote:What's going on with Boak?
Looks slow, can't chase. Really struggling with leg speed.



Not sure what game you were watching.


boak was easily your best imo



Makes 2 of us. Helicopter must see something we don't.


His 3rd term, around stoppages, they ran away from him on probably 5 occasions. Very little chasing or pressure. He looked cooked, but then had a belter of a last quarter.
Shows he is your barometer.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby woodublieve12 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:56 am

daysofourlives wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:Swans will finish top 4...
Hawks v Swans gf...

Hawks premiership to lose


You're deluded mate, you are so far off, Richmond will replace you in the 4
You have one forward
You have no defence, no ruckman
You have a full cap with no room to move to recruit for your needs, very poor list management. No club will take Tippet of your hands for the contract that he's on. To move him on you would have to continue paying part of his salary which doesnt really help you. You should've recruited Patfull last year when you had the chance ;)
Even Shoenmakers looked good last night.

I do agree with one thing, its definitely the Hawks to lose, WCE and Richmond the only challengers.

I thought you were serious for a minute there Daisy but as soon as you mentioned Richmond as challengers I knew you were taking the piss.


Sorry mate i probably did go over the top with that call but it does highlight just how far Sydney are off.
They really are just starting to learn the hard way not to piss the AFL off, no longer the golden child and supporters like wouby cant handle it. Recruit blokes like Tippet and Franklin you lose depth and you have to play spuds like Cunningham, Jones, B Jack, Jetta, Goodes, Shaw, Rohan, Bird


our best can beat anyone, even your lot our worst can just beat brisbane... I am very aware where we are at... as i stated earlier we should finish top 4

Hawks have dismantled the top two threats for their title. Best side going round by a mile.

Massive game in perth this week with the Eagles finally playing a top 4 side.

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Re: Sweet 16

Postby MW » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:09 am

carey wrote:
Spargo wrote:Fair game of footy that.



Not sure about that. Out of 120 minutes of footy Port were absolutely pathetic for 100 minutes of it. Probably says a bit about both sides. Crows aren't that good (Port played 20 mins of footy and nearly won)

To be completely honest both treading water wouldn't matter which side make the 8 it'd just be making up the numbers both sides a mile off.


20 minutes? turn it up. You owned the entire last quarter just about.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby stan » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:17 am

MW wrote:
carey wrote:
Spargo wrote:Fair game of footy that.



Not sure about that. Out of 120 minutes of footy Port were absolutely pathetic for 100 minutes of it. Probably says a bit about both sides. Crows aren't that good (Port played 20 mins of footy and nearly won)

To be completely honest both treading water wouldn't matter which side make the 8 it'd just be making up the numbers both sides a mile off.


20 minutes? turn it up. You owned the entire last quarter just about.

Yeah thats clearly 30 mins. Bloody hell hey
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby MW » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:18 am

Plus every other quarter when they pegged the lead back. I don't buy the "you only won with us playing 20 minutes" crap. Both sides slugged it out all day. Crows better on this occasion. Accept it and move on, don't make excuses like booing the umps after the siren which is becoming a norm for Port games.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby Spargo » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:31 am

MW wrote:I don't buy the "you only won with us playing 20 minutes" crap. Both sides slugged it out all day. Crows better on this occasion.

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Re: Sweet 16

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:32 am

Well it was tables turned yesterday afternoon at Adelaide Oval.

Adelaide fans would admit they’ve been frustrated by their sides slow starts this year that has them playing catch up footy for the much of the game resulting in tired legs and minds making poor skill errors and decisions. Not so yesterday.

Adelaide burst out of the blocks to jump to an early lead by making the most of every one of their F50 entries. 6 goals straight at one point to 2.4 and both sides had had their turn with it, one side just used it much better than the other. Jenkins, Walker and Lynch looked ominous up forward and Jacobs was giving Thompson, Danger and Douglas a good look at it. For Port, Ryder looked on as did Hartlett who had gone deeper into defence to cover the loss of Pittard. Adelaide by 15 at the first change.

The second quarter was a much more of an arm wrestle, 5 goals to both sides and although the gap was still 3 goals it looked as though Port were getting some more run from defence and had Ryder hit the scoreboard again, Wingard got some valuable touches but a lack of discipline ( or slightly dodgy calls ) gave Adelaide a couple of easy goals on the back of 2 50m penalties. One of them, Trengove on Cameron was in a marking contest, slightly late, but it was a contest and it was also a 50. The other, O’Shea going over the mark inside the centre square was a costly error that need not have happened. Again, Jacobs and the Adelaide mids were dictating the run of play but it was Port’s back half just getting on top. Boy, did that change.

Adelaide were on fire straight after the main break, a 7 goal quarter ultimately set up the win and the work of Lynch and Walker during this quarter proved to be the difference. Lynch lost Clurey on several occasions to create an avenue to Adelaide’s goal mouth, Betts slipped out the back for an easy one after a terrible turnover from Neade while Laird and Henderson started to mop up down back.
The loss of Talia looked to be bad news for Adelaide, Ryder and Schulz were offering targets and Adelaide fans full well know that Westhoff can take the game from them. With Talia off it was down to Hartigan to take Schulz and the undersized Lever and Henderson to battle with Ryder or the resting Lobbe ( who kicked 2 ) and Westhoff. They held sway as Port wasted more ball coming forward and an even 30 points at ¾ time looked to much for Port to peg back.

The last quarter was an interesting one for both sides. The first 5 minutes showed Adelaide intention. Slow the play, move the ball sideways to uncontested possession and keep the ball off Port. They almost looked like they were happy to go goalless from the outset, might not have been 100% their intention, but it ended up exactly that way. Adelaide held goalless for the last stanza.

It was an arm wrestle until about the 15 minute mark when Ryder marked and goaled, so did Wingard, so did Lobbe.....all of a sudden it’s back to 17 points. Boak gets the aid of a 50m penalty and it’s back to 11 with about 6 minutes to go. Game on. One costly miss from Westhoff during this period proved to be very, very costly.

Port push forward and the skills of Robbie Gray shine as he swoops, snaps truly and it’s a 3 point ball game. Adelaide are still sitting back, happy to let Port come at them and when Adelaide got the ball from defence to the wing they were happy to back pedal and hold possession again. And this is how the frantic last quarter would end, Adelaide just holding on by 3 points.

The main points from the game :

• Adelaide moved the ball from defence to attack far too easily on far too many occasions. Smith, Martin and Wright only had about 40 touches between the three of them, but many of them were from deep in defence at kick ins or ball ups that cleared the zone for Adelaide. This happened often and without too much pressure from Port.
• Sam Jacobs would like to play against Port every week. As I noted in my preview he had been a little off for a month or so, but did he show up on the weekend or what? 50+ hitouts giving Thompson, Dangerfield and Douglas first look and they took advantage of this with 89 disposals and 32 clearances between them. This was the difference. Port had 39 clearances combined.
• Adelaide held Wines to 19 touches and 8 clearances. Hey, most players would be happy with these numbers but Wines has been Ports prime mover for a few weeks now and his influence was limited by the Adelaide mids. Mainly as they got the ball first.
• Adelaide’s forwards who have had a quiet few weeks found some form. Walker with 6 marks, 3 goals and 3 goal assists was important leading his team. Jenkins had 5 marks (3 I50 ) and 3 goals and Cameron hit the board with 2 goals. Port, mainly Krakouer, kept Betts pretty much out of the game other than the cheap one he got out the back on a turnover. A real win for Krakouer there.

Once again Port fans go home lamenting the poor decision making and ball use from the back half and wonder why oh why have we started going sideways instead of direct to goal when we had, for the first time in weeks, seen a marking target in Ryder looking dangerous in front of goal.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby MW » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:01 am

Good write up. Thought the trengrove 50 on cameron was very soft, but O'Shea should have known better
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby mighty hounds » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:03 am

MW wrote:Good write up. Thought the trengrove 50 on cameron was very soft, but O'Shea should have known better


i thought so as well, but the umps seemed consistent with that call.
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby MW » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:07 am

They seemed to be as Cameron was penalised the same in the last qu
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:08 am

JK wrote:Where do you rate Hartlett's season? I reckon he's capable of miles more than he's delivered this year .. Also Id have Hombsch in your better players this season.


Been average to serviceable at best.

Probably had his best game for weeks yesterday covering for Pittard across the D50. Might spend some more time down there after yesterdays efforts. He and Ebert have been off with their hands for a few weeks, fumbling and not taking first opportunity to grab the ball and run with it.

Hartlett looked like he was struggling to kick at full intensity and run at top pace for a few weeks back about a month ago. I don't know if he has any soft tissue issues or is just mindful of going a season without something going"ping"!
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Re: Sweet 16

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:12 am

bennymacca wrote:
carey wrote:
helicopterking wrote:What's going on with Boak?
Looks slow, can't chase. Really struggling with leg speed.

Not sure what game you were watching.

boak was easily your best imo


Yeah, not sure what Bronwyn Bishop is on about here, Boak was clearly Port's best and stood up and kicked two goals just when the side needed them and also ran down Danger just enough to add some pressure to a Danger kick in the second quarter at an important time. Hardly struggling for pace.
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