Mark Williams and Port part ways

[NO-MERCY]

Obviously I'm no Port fan but one thing you can always say about Williams is like Franky, he did it his way. Perhaps the biggest fault of his later years at the Power was that he was too loyal to players who did not deserve it and didn't sacrifice his natural personality just a little bit for the good of the club.

In an era of robots Choco could only survive being Choco if the results came and when they didn't his cards were marked. Regardless of what you think of the man he is twice the person than all of the board members who insulted him with a smaller contract last year because they didn't have the cojones to sack him. Port's legacy for this decision will be to pay out that contract (until the end of the next year I think it is?).

Kudos to the fans who showed respect and to the undermanned and shamed playing group that had a real dip. When the emotion dies down Choco can look back on his term at the Power with pride. That stat about four consecutive seasons with 16+ wins is astounding. To date Choco is the only coach who has achieved this, although Bomber will equal that record if the Cats can win five more games this season.

Just a final word - Motlop is a disgrace and is my nomination for the worst player in the league. While his workrate was vastly improved he still has not gotten the lazy, selfish side out of his game. With Collingwood surging back into the match he had a chance to kick an important goal but he drops it onto the side of the boot with cutesy effort that let down his side. What a way to repay the man who has shown him more loyalty than he deserves. If I was the new Port coach my first move would be to send Motlop packing.

regards,

REB

Great post REB

Motlop's not lazy IMO, just bloody selfish at times.
I think his defensive pressure up forward this year has been excellent.

His defensive pressure is only there when it suits ( HIM ) not his ( TEAM )
He's a bloke with undoubted ability but a bloody disgrace, all the faith & persistance shown to him by Mark Williams still aint enough for him, he proved what a single minded selfish player he is.
Laidley-Primus do your TEAM a favour, drop him to North & leave him their, it'll be the best thing for your team going forward.

[Booney]

The cynic in all of us will find it hard to believe what has come out of Alberton in the past 24 hours, but I for one believe every bit of it. Not very often ( if ever ) a club and coach part ways with both parties agreeing to it and the whole process being transparent and honest. No wonder we cant believe it. Honesty. Anyone who knows Mark Williams knows thats what you get with Mark, honesty and there is no way any of this story is fabricated, I take it all at face value and applaud both parties for the way it was handled.

Clearly Williams knew what position he and the club were in, the club knew where things were headed and a mutual decision to leave was put in place. I also applaud the timing of it, for if they had waited until this morning, regardless of the line coming from both the club and coach people would have said "The Collingwood loss got him sacked" when in all reality it was the 7 or 8 weeks before hand.

Richmond and Wallace either didnt have the brains or balls to make the same decision 18 months before Wallace's contract expired and they have and will feel the effects of that for years to come.

As Brett Duncanson said, the only people who will know the amount of monies to be paid to Williams will be he and Williams. Any money used for Williams 2010 portion of his contract was already accounted for and I would suspect that Williams would be man enough ( and financial enough ) to not fight or argue for any of his 2011 contract dollars.

Finally to Southee, you must really be joking when trying to compare your Panthers to Port Adelaide. May I remind you of such recent glories as Clay Sampson and Jack Cahill? Good luck winning anything at all.

Southee, Tim Ginever on the radio last night came out with this little gem that I will use for years to come.

"Players win the ball, teams wins games, clubs win Premiserships". Take that to Noarlunga and see if anyone has a clue what it means.

[Rik E Boy]

Well, knock me over with a feather, you said something complementary about something related to the PAFC. This thread should be made a sticky.

You've got me pegged as a one eyed smartarse. You're only half right.

regards,

REB

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

"Players win the ball, teams wins games, clubs win Premierships".

He must have got that one from Jack

Seriously though, it is a great quote... I shall write that one down to use down the track myself

[Magpiespower]

... in all reality it was the 7 or 8 weeks before hand...

Reakon it was the 18 months before that.

Post-2007 has been a disaster.

As REB said, to win 16 games four years on the trot is quite remarkable in today's AFL.

But you've gotta strike while the iron's hot...

[devilsadvocate]

The sadest part of all this is that Choco's daughter is HOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!



WOW!

[Barto]

"Players win the ball, teams wins games, clubs win Premierships".

He must have got that one from Jack

Seriously though, it is a great quote... I shall write that one down to use down the track myself

It's a glib quote.

So by that reckoning, the Crows are a club and not a soulless corporation like some Port fans will attest.

[RoosterMarty]

The sadest part of all this is that Choco's daughter is HOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!



WOW!

I'm disappointed that you haven't included any pics in your post.

[Dutchy]

When the emotion dies down Choco can look back on his term at the Power with pride. That stat about four consecutive seasons with 16+ wins is astounding. To date Choco is the only coach who has achieved this, although Bomber will equal that record if the Cats can win five more games this season.

Look at it a different way, 4 great years and one premiership, IMO disappointing with the squad he had to work with.

Then compare it to recent teams with the same window - Brisbane, Geelong, Adelaide , Roos, WCE all got multiple premierships

[Hondo]

Be careful with that line of argument Dutchy ... NM only had 2 flags to show from 7 consecutive prelim final appearances depending on which way you spin it

NM let the Crows sneak 2 flags while they had one of the elite teams (and the elite player - Carey) of the comp. Possibly lucky with their GF opponent in 1999 or they may have only ended up with 1 flag.

I'm not trying to criticize NM necessarily - just pointing out that you can take a glass half full / half empty spin on almost anything. Premierships are tough to win.

Had Port been successful in those home finals I doubt they would have defeated the BL in the GF before 2004 anyway. If you rely solely on a premiership count to measure success then most clubs are unsuccessful most of the time. Some inexplicable melt-downs in home finals aside, Port 2001-2004 were very successful.

[Rik E Boy]

Look at it a different way, 4 great years and one premiership, IMO disappointing with the squad he had to work with.

When Brisbane were around.

regards,

REB

[Dutchy]

Be careful with that line of argument Dutchy ... NM only had 2 flags to show from 7 consecutive prelim final appearances depending on which way you spin it

NM let the Crows sneak 2 flags while they had one of the elite teams (and the elite player - Carey) of the comp. Possibly lucky with their GF opponent in 1999 or they may have only ended up with 1 flag.

I'm not trying to criticize NM necessarily - just pointing out that you can take a glass half full / half empty spin on almost anything. Premierships are tough to win.

Had Port been successful in those home finals I doubt they would have defeated the BL in the GF before 2004 anyway. If you rely solely on a premiership count to measure success then most clubs are unsuccessful most of the time. Some inexplicable melt-downs in home finals aside, Port 2001-2004 were very successful.

Agree the Roos should have won at least one more possibly 2.

Ill do some research but from memory Port record against Brisbane in that period stacked up pretty well.

Essendons 2000 team was condsidered one of the best ever but with only one flag to show it is forgotten pretty quickly.

[Hondo]

Essendons 2000 team was condsidered one of the best ever but with only one flag to show it is forgotten pretty quickly.

I agree. That team's label at the time as "greatest ever" was probably over-cooked in hindsight but, on the other hand, it's been harshly forgotten without that second flag. Especially when the BL followed with 3 consecutive flags and Essendon are remembered more now for losing to Carlton in that 1999 prelim final.

I think you can have a successful year without a premiership. Others disagree.

[devilsadvocate]

The sadest part of all this is that Choco's daughter is HOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!



WOW!

I'm disappointed that you haven't included any pics in your post.

Apparently she's in year 12

So I don't want to get arrested!

She was on Before the Game

[Squawk]

I've thought a bit about Williams farewell press conference and it strikes me that he conveyed an (implied) view of his that that he has not been given enough respect by some Port fans and most of the rest of the football world.

I can't help but see parallels with Rudd's departure. Both went before fulfilling their terms and both personally rattled off the pinnacles of what they'd done in their farewell speeches. After Port lost to Collingwood Choco took off straight away, even before the players had returned to the rooms - understandable in some ways but in another way it comes across as a dummy spit. If Sheedy had taken off like that I reckon the majority of people would have erred on the side of Sheedy having a tough day after so long in and around the (Essendon) club; when Williams does it I think a lot of people err on the other side and say he spat the dummy. Rightly or wrongly. But impressions can count for so much and on the impressions ledger, I think Choco made his mark on the 'bad impressions' side of the ledger yet if you look at his results record he should be on the 'good impressions' side of the ledger.

So with his results record, was it Choco himself who was his own worst enemy and did Port's love of all things Williams mean it should have stuck with him (based on results) or cut him loose long ago (based on Choco's individualism) ??

[fish]

The sadest part of all this is that Choco's daughter is HOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!



WOW!

I'm disappointed that you haven't included any pics in your post.

Apparently she's in year 12

So I don't want to get arrested!

She was on Before the Game

DA you are a shocker!

[Chuck Wepner]

I've thought a bit about Williams farewell press conference and it strikes me that he conveyed an (implied) view of his that that he has not been given enough respect by some Port fans and most of the rest of the football world.

I can't help but see parallels with Rudd's departure. Both went before fulfilling their terms and both personally rattled off the pinnacles of what they'd done in their farewell speeches. After Port lost to Collingwood Choco took off straight away, even before the players had returned to the rooms - understandable in some ways but in another way it comes across as a dummy spit. If Sheedy had taken off like that I reckon the majority of people would have erred on the side of Sheedy having a tough day after so long in and around the (Essendon) club; when Williams does it I think a lot of people err on the other side and say he spat the dummy. Rightly or wrongly. But impressions can count for so much and on the impressions ledger, I think Choco made his mark on the 'bad impressions' side of the ledger yet if you look at his results record he should be on the 'good impressions' side of the ledger.

So with his results record, was it Choco himself who was his own worst enemy and did Port's love of all things Williams mean it should have stuck with him (based on results) or cut him loose long ago (based on Choco's individualism) ??

not sure what that message is meant to convey.. I think it's a crock....
Blind Freddie can see with choco what you see is what you get. The last of the genuine men in coaching imo.

[leftlegger]

I've thought a bit about Williams farewell press conference and it strikes me that he conveyed an (implied) view of his that that he has not been given enough respect by some Port fans and most of the rest of the football world.

I can't help but see parallels with Rudd's departure. Both went before fulfilling their terms and both personally rattled off the pinnacles of what they'd done in their farewell speeches. After Port lost to Collingwood Choco took off straight away, even before the players had returned to the rooms - understandable in some ways but in another way it comes across as a dummy spit. If Sheedy had taken off like that I reckon the majority of people would have erred on the side of Sheedy having a tough day after so long in and around the (Essendon) club; when Williams does it I think a lot of people err on the other side and say he spat the dummy. Rightly or wrongly. But impressions can count for so much and on the impressions ledger, I think Choco made his mark on the 'bad impressions' side of the ledger yet if you look at his results record he should be on the 'good impressions' side of the ledger.

So with his results record, was it Choco himself who was his own worst enemy and did Port's love of all things Williams mean it should have stuck with him (based on results) or cut him loose long ago (based on Choco's individualism) ??

not sure what that message is meant to convey.. I think it's a crock....
Blind Freddie can see with choco what you see is what you get. The last of the genuine men in coaching imo.

Agree!
And that is man passionate about footy and passionate about the club he served so well.

[Zorro]

The sadest part of all this is that Choco's daughter is HOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT!



WOW!

I'm disappointed that you haven't included any pics in your post.

Apparently she's in year 12

So I don't want to get arrested!

She was on Before the Game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdPL-rKvSbQ

About 2 mins in. I initially thought she was a model hired by BTG!!

[Barto]

Dad has bigger boobies.