Port Adelaide's Finances

[dedja]

The question is does the SANFL make a net profit out of the Power operation, and if they do is it enough net profit to justify continuing the operation?
Perhaps the SANFL should auction the licence the Power use - the Tasmanian government may put in a decent bid, or the AFL may buy it back.

I think the SANFL certainly does make a net profit out of Port, but the real question is how can the SANFL maximise profit (which is not the case at the minute). Port obviously would want to be competitive on field as well.

Can the 2 requirements co-exist?

[Dutchy]

I agree, the AFL is the one with the coin falling out their collective proverbials. But this is where the AFL has the SANFL by the short and curlies, the SANFL own us.

There is little doubt IMO that the AFL knew ( and the SANFL couldnt see it ) that when problems arose with either SA based AFL club the AFL would merely push the blame back at the SANFL.

And meanwhile the Vic based AFL clubs get all the handouts they need, because who owns their licences?
Oh the AFL!
How much did they pay for these licences?
Nothing!

Seriously, has anything changed since the VFL were grabbing all our best players?
The VAFL is now the VFL and I'm sure there's alot of AFL money going into those clubs to make them strong feeder/reserves clubs for the Vic teams. Then you have the TAC Cup comp, where there's a crap load of AFL money pumping into that. Add to that, the NTFL have been coersed to the QAFL and the Gold Coast have been pushed to play in the VFL. So once again all the power, focus and money is finding it's way back to Victorian football and apart from the odd rugby league player or vested interests, not much finds it's way across the border.
We helped bail out the VFL/AFL with 2 licences and now what do we get back in return when a club needs help?
It's insulting.

Wait 'til Dutchy see's this bit. North didn't get hand outs mate....sheesh.

Thanks for clarifying Boon

[Booney]

Clarifying what?

[Macca19]

Booney, I don't really have a problem with the SANFL tipping in money (the amount is getting concerning) but I do have a huge problem with the AFL tipping in SFA. I know I go on about this but they've thrown heaps to WB, Melb, NM etc, and yes I know who holds the licence but you'd think all things considered the AFL would have a bit more of an open mind to look seriously at the problem instead of trying to push an agenda further.

As I half said before, the AFL has stated they believe that the SANFL has to come to the party big time over this. They think the SANFL is taking far too much from the SA-AFL clubs and have stated a couple of times now that over the next decade they'd like the two clubs to hold their own licence. This is why when Haysman took over and brought this into the public eye for the first time, they said to go to the SANFL for help first. When the SANFL wouldnt come to the table, thats when the AFL stepped in and made sure the SANFL gave us some coin. Would be nice if the AFL came to the party and dished out more coin, but I understand their position.

Barto - I think theres a few factors. I do think the SANFL needs to loosen its screws a bit in terms of what the two SA clubs earn from their matches at Footy Park. But yes, definitely the most concerning thing is the drop in crowds for Port games, and where it once looked like we had a core of 25,000 supporters, that now seems to have dropped about 7-8k.

I think the club had the chance to change some of this last year with the coaching decision, but have screwed the pooch. Had the chance to start fresh, revamp the playing list, revamp the coaching staff but they went with the status quo which has failed for the past 5 years to make any sort of positive impression on the game.

Interesting times anyway

[Wedgie]

Clarifying what?

You said North don't get hand outs.

[Booney]

Clarifying what?

You said North don't get hand outs.

With a *wink* and *laugh*...they have been propped up not only by the AFL. Who built the new facility they have? Who cashed them up when they needed it?

[Rik E Boy]

Port to West Sydney, North to Gold Coast. Problem solvered.

regards,

REB

[Q.]

Clarifying what?

You said North don't get hand outs.

With a *wink* and *laugh*...they have been propped up not only by the AFL. Who built the new facility they have? Who cashed them up when they needed it?

Collingwood

[Wedgie]

Clarifying what?

You said North don't get hand outs.

With a *wink* and *laugh*

Yeah but your wink and laugh was after a sheesh so I'd assume a double negative was a positve.

[Pseudo]

Also if they dont wish to pump money back into the local league, they're banned from drafting players that have been developed by the SANFL clubs.

And build their own stadium while they're at it

and fly their reserves players to Victoria for a game in the VFL every week.

Those Port fans who blame the SANFL for all their ills are short sighted in the extreme. Without the SANFL acting as the controlling body, then Port Power would be significantly worse off and possibly already in receivership. Then everyone would be the loser: Port, Crows, the SANFL, the 9 clubs, and indeed much of the remaining football strata in this state.

[Pseudo]

Seriously, has anything changed since the VFL were grabbing all our best players?

Yes. For the worse.

This thread epitomises exactly why I thoroughly abhor the AFL. This entity has continually bent the game of Australian Rules Football over a barrel and given it a good, hard rogering; all in the name of furthering its market share. I have never understood why you people support it.

[Pseudo]

As I half said before, the AFL has stated they believe that the SANFL has to come to the party big time over this. They think the SANFL is taking far too much from the SA-AFL clubs and have stated a couple of times now that over the next decade they'd like the two clubs to hold their own licence.

Now ask yourself why the AFL wants this. You think they have the best interests of the SANFL at heart? I doubt they have the interests of the Power at heart except insofar as it furthers their own ends. The same comment can be extrapolated to the other 15 clubs. And to Fitzroy; you think the AFL was going to let sentiment get in the way of business?

[Barto]

Also if they dont wish to pump money back into the local league, they're banned from drafting players that have been developed by the SANFL clubs.

And build their own stadium while they're at it

and fly their reserves players to Victoria for a game in the VFL every week.

Those Port fans who blame the SANFL for all their ills are short sighted in the extreme. Without the SANFL acting as the controlling body, then Port Power would be significantly worse off and possibly already in receivership. Then everyone would be the loser: Port, Crows, the SANFL, the 9 clubs, and indeed much of the remaining football strata in this state.

If they were cut free and that scenario played out where they ceased to exist, they'd then scream at everyone for not supporting them financially.

It seems like they're utterly convinced that the cash generated by the AFL operations is being used to line the pockets of the SANFL administration, rather than support all the tiers of the sport in SA.

I'd be interested to hear a statement of the wants of the Port administration. Do they want to be set free of the SANFL and have full control without any safety nets or is it just some feral supporters screaming for it?

[Psyber]

I tend to suspect the Port administration, like the screaming fans, want to be cut free of the SANFL administration and have the SANFL [or someone else] provide an unlimited safety net.

[Hondo]

I'd be interested to hear a statement of the wants of the Port administration. Do they want to be set free of the SANFL and have full control without any safety nets or is it just some feral supporters screaming for it?

It would be a loud minority of extremist supporters who post on BF or wherever else you manage to find them. Didn't I suggest a while back that you just don't go the Port board on BF? I don't understand why you keep reading that stuff. God, even the Crows board on BF gets too much for me at times. These are often teenagers or younger

I don't think the club has to issue a formal statement to rebut some keyboard warriors on the internet

[White Line Fever]

Seriously, has anything changed since the VFL were grabbing all our best players?

Yes. For the worse.

This thread epitomises exactly why I thoroughly abhor the AFL. This entity has continually bent the game of Australian Rules Football over a barrel and given it a good, hard rogering; all in the name of furthering its market share. I have never understood why you people support it.

Whatddya mean 'You People'?

[Barto]

I'd be interested to hear a statement of the wants of the Port administration. Do they want to be set free of the SANFL and have full control without any safety nets or is it just some feral supporters screaming for it?

It would be a loud minority of extremist supporters who post on BF or wherever else you manage to find them. Didn't I suggest a while back that you just don't go the Port board on BF? I don't understand why you keep reading that stuff. God, even the Crows board on BF gets too much for me at times. These are often teenagers or younger

I don't think the club has to issue a formal statement to rebut some keyboard warriors on the internet

Yeah it's like a train crash. Cant help but look.

You'd think they could be a little less naive and attack their own administration who had to sign off on the deal.

[Booney]

Seriously, has anything changed since the VFL were grabbing all our best players?

Yes. For the worse.

This thread epitomises exactly why I thoroughly abhor the AFL. This entity has continually bent the game of Australian Rules Football over a barrel and given it a good, hard rogering; all in the name of furthering its market share.
I have never understood why you people support it.

For whatever opinion you have the reason we support it is because it is Australian Rules Football at the highest level. Perhaps it isn't the game you like or the rules you like to see enforced, but it it the highest level of Aussie Rules played in this country.

[Ronnie]

If they can't get bums on seats nothing is going to turn them around.

This is football welfare pure and simple, I actually think it was a degrading sight to see Duncanson with his hand out.

No good for either the recipient or the giver.

[Squawk]

No good for either the recipient or the giver.

Sometimes you could be forgiven for not knowing which is which when it comes to Port and it's history with the AFL.