SA Footy

With the stance taken by the two afl sides, can this provide a great opportunity for the future of the SANFL.

1) sell them the licenses (their viability or otherwise is then the AFLs concern)
2) derive income from the west lakes land
3) derive income from Adelaide oval management
4) get rid of them out the sanfl
A) if they want the status quo maintained, they can pay for the privilege
5) if under the current system they pull qualified players from the sanfl finals, they have to financially compensate the sanfl club.
6) "port" players are allocated as per the original intent and methodology.
7) the sanfl clubs salary cap is increased to improve retention and attracting players.

The gist of the above is what does the afl currently financially contribute to an sanfl club, to be able to dictate terms. If there is some form of reliance currently, then replace it an eliminate it. The SANFL could be holding the best hand, just play it right.
A future not dictated by the afl and the afl teams could see the rebuilding of the SANFL.
Basically can the SANFL be in a position to dictate terms and tell the afl to get stuffed.
Centrals had no afl listed players play yesterday, we lost but survived. They may need us more than we need them.
Maybe the selfish crows and power should be careful in what they wish for. This could be the catalyst for setting the sanfl up for the future and enabling complete autonomy?

This is exactly what I reckon most of us on this site would want. Part of that copy and paste letter said "This is a complex issue and there are many pros and cons that come with bringing additional teams into our competition, and each of these is being carefully analysed and discussed."

We need to know all these pros and cons and that includes all the points in your post to see if the SANFL can go it alone.

It seems to me the SANFL should be in the strongest position they have been for a long time and the decision they make over the next few weeks/months is as important as the decision they made in 1990.

Exactly sjt - They are playing a huge bluff game and weak people fold.

I teach at an all boys primary school in the western suburbs. Over the past 5 years, the amoun of WWT jumpers has exploded at school trainings. Most kids have an SANFL team even though less than 30% attend regularly. BUT I did a survey for the hell of it. 57% of kids said theyd barrack for the crows in the SANFL and leave their current sanfl club. This option doesn't apply to magpie supporters. SO whre will our members for Norwood, Sturt, West.... come from in 20 years time?


We will remove a generation from membership. Sponsors will look at crows and port only. Volunteers crows and port only. Ultimately, all SANFL clubs fold.

No brainer - We say yes and its all over in 20 years

The yes vote buys 5 years of finances at best

I teach at an all boys primary school in the western suburbs. Over the past 5 years, the amoun of WWT jumpers has exploded at school trainings.

Good to hear some of the Eagles junior supporter strategies are working.

Somewhere in all of this the Crows have stated that they will bring extra crowds to SANFL games.

I don't agree with this, Collingwood v Essendon in the VFL resevres hardly attracts a large crowd, why would Crows fans be different?

IF ... I emphasie IF the Crows get their way they should be made to be accountable to their crowd promised by guaranteeing a $ amount per person if there is a shortfall. Let's see how much they are committed to their figures.

PhilH wrote:

I teach at an all boys primary school in the western suburbs. Over the past 5 years, the amoun of WWT jumpers has exploded at school trainings.

Good to hear some of the Eagles junior supporter strategies are working.

My son got his auskick bag today. Full of eagles gear, stickers, cards offers etc. We'll be able to use the family pass on July 20, the rest will benefit a neighbour. Great effort though by the eagles, I hope Centrals are doing the same.

Re the crowds as I mentioned in the other thread, the crowd and power will have to underwrite anything they propose. Their word, research or expectations means nothing.

Mark_Beswick wrote:Exactly sjt - They are playing a huge bluff game and weak people fold.

I teach at an all boys primary school in the western suburbs. Over the past 5 years, the amoun of WWT jumpers has exploded at school trainings. Most kids have an SANFL team even though less than 30% attend regularly. BUT I did a survey for the hell of it. 57% of kids said theyd barrack for the crows in the SANFL and leave their current sanfl club. This option doesn't apply to magpie supporters. SO whre will our members for Norwood, Sturt, West.... come from in 20 years time?


We will remove a generation from membership. Sponsors will look at crows and port only. Volunteers crows and port only. Ultimately, all SANFL clubs fold.

No brainer - We say yes and its all over in 20 years

The yes vote buys 5 years of finances at best

Exactly.

PhilH wrote:Somewhere in all of this the Crows have stated that they will bring extra crowds to SANFL games.

Bullshit. Look at how poor the crowds are for Crows NAB cup games and those sides feature much better players & household names than a Crows reserves side would. Not many go to Power games so obviously Power reserves games would be very few including disenchanted Magpies supporters I would suspect.

Maybe the Port reserves would take away crowds from the Power as at least the Port people could then afford to go to the football.

I agree that the sale of the two licenses and control of Adelaide Oval should result in the SANFL being in its strongest position financially in quite some time and the knock on effect of that should mean the 9 clubs become financially sound.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that an incredibly important moment in history, where the 9 clubs have the opportunity to really consolidate their position and assure their longevity, is going to be flushed down the toilet because of some stupid perception that a decision needs to be made here and now concerning the Crows and Power reserves. As another poster states, why we don't wait and see what eventuates in the WAFL is beyond me.

While I concede that the Crows and Power moving their players interstate (assuming that happens) would reduce the talent in the SANFL, surely long term the league can recover if its gets the financial decisions right here and now. The league has to be fair and reasonable with regards what it expects from the licenses and what it can charge the two AFL teams to use Adelaide Oval, but the sums should add up such that the 9 clubs receive a strong boost in funding.

Not having to pay for ANYTHING related to the AFL is surely a good thing. It's not the SANFL's responsibility to keep the two teams afloat, besides, the AFL would never let the Crows or Power fall over, so their longevity and prosperity is guaranteed, so the SANFL shouldn't be squeamish in negotiating hard on fees for using Adelaide Oval and so on. So work out how much each game will cost to run and then charge the AFL sides that plus $90K for example.

That would reap each SANFL club $10K per game, $220K for the season.

Its simplistic, I know, but sometimes these things can be kept simple. However, despite what seems like an obvious moment in history where the league can capitalise, I can't help but feel the 9 clubs will just bend over and take anything.

Why some clubs are run by such weak people is beyond me...

... people like us, as members, must take some blame, as we aren't nominating and we vote these tools in!

csbowes wrote:I agree that the sale of the two licenses and control of Adelaide Oval should result in the SANFL being in its strongest position financially in quite some time and the knock on effect of that should mean the 9 clubs become financially sound.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that an incredibly important moment in history, where the 9 clubs have the opportunity to really consolidate their position and assure their longevity, is going to be flushed down the toilet because of some stupid perception that a decision needs to be made here and now concerning the Crows and Power reserves. As another poster states, why we don't wait and see what eventuates in the WAFL is beyond me.

While I concede that the Crows and Power moving their players interstate (assuming that happens) would reduce the talent in the SANFL, surely long term the league can recover if its gets the financial decisions right here and now. The league has to be fair and reasonable with regards what it expects from the licenses and what it can charge the two AFL teams to use Adelaide Oval, but the sums should add up such that the 9 clubs receive a strong boost in funding.

Not having to pay for ANYTHING related to the AFL is surely a good thing. It's not the SANFL's responsibility to keep the two teams afloat, besides, the AFL would never let the Crows or Power fall over, so their longevity and prosperity is guaranteed, so the SANFL shouldn't be squeamish in negotiating hard on fees for using Adelaide Oval and so on. So work out how much each game will cost to run and then charge the AFL sides that plus $90K for example.

That would reap each SANFL club $10K per game, $220K for the season.

Its simplistic, I know, but sometimes these things can be kept simple. However, despite what seems like an obvious moment in history where the league can capitalise, I can't help but feel the 9 clubs will just bend over and take anything.

Why some clubs are run by such weak people is beyond me...

... people like us, as members, must take some blame, as we aren't nominating and we vote these tools in!

Have you missed The Advertiser rants from the AFL Clubs in regard to this issue.......? The AFL Clubs have been promised X by the Government and AFL and if they don't get it, Keith and Rob are going to shout from the hills!

The AFL can fix this. A reserves comp is what SA Football needs but its not going to happen. We have to make the best of a bad situation.

csbowes wrote:I agree that the sale of the two licenses and control of Adelaide Oval should result in the SANFL being in its strongest position financially in quite some time and the knock on effect of that should mean the 9 clubs become financially sound.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that an incredibly important moment in history, where the 9 clubs have the opportunity to really consolidate their position and assure their longevity, is going to be flushed down the toilet because of some stupid perception that a decision needs to be made here and now concerning the Crows and Power reserves. As another poster states, why we don't wait and see what eventuates in the WAFL is beyond me.

While I concede that the Crows and Power moving their players interstate (assuming that happens) would reduce the talent in the SANFL, surely long term the league can recover if its gets the financial decisions right here and now. The league has to be fair and reasonable with regards what it expects from the licenses and what it can charge the two AFL teams to use Adelaide Oval, but the sums should add up such that the 9 clubs receive a strong boost in funding.

Not having to pay for ANYTHING related to the AFL is surely a good thing. It's not the SANFL's responsibility to keep the two teams afloat, besides, the AFL would never let the Crows or Power fall over, so their longevity and prosperity is guaranteed, so the SANFL shouldn't be squeamish in negotiating hard on fees for using Adelaide Oval and so on. So work out how much each game will cost to run and then charge the AFL sides that plus $90K for example.

That would reap each SANFL club $10K per game, $220K for the season.

Its simplistic, I know, but sometimes these things can be kept simple. However, despite what seems like an obvious moment in history where the league can capitalise, I can't help but feel the 9 clubs will just bend over and take anything.

Why some clubs are run by such weak people is beyond me...

... people like us, as members, must take some blame, as we aren't nominating and we vote these tools in!

The problem is when your only getting a average crowd to SANFL matches, clubs are going to struggle to survive and if they do they will struggle to grow without some sort of investment. They have the land at west lakes which will take many years before they see any $$ rolling in, and plus it will take a lot of $$ to do. With selling the AFL license the SANFl would want to be putting that money away in account that will earn them money, not use it as spending money. The SANFL is in a situation where they can use this to grow, but unfortunately I see them failing at doing so. The SANFL needs someone with half a brain that can do this and as we have seen over the years they don't have anyone.

kickinit wrote: The SANFL needs someone with half a brain that can do this and as we have seen over the years they don't have anyone.

That is rich coming from you! Seems it doesn't matter when your club has continually had its hand out for $$$?

kickinit wrote:

csbowes wrote:I agree that the sale of the two licenses and control of Adelaide Oval should result in the SANFL being in its strongest position financially in quite some time and the knock on effect of that should mean the 9 clubs become financially sound.

Unfortunately, it seems to me that an incredibly important moment in history, where the 9 clubs have the opportunity to really consolidate their position and assure their longevity, is going to be flushed down the toilet because of some stupid perception that a decision needs to be made here and now concerning the Crows and Power reserves. As another poster states, why we don't wait and see what eventuates in the WAFL is beyond me.

While I concede that the Crows and Power moving their players interstate (assuming that happens) would reduce the talent in the SANFL, surely long term the league can recover if its gets the financial decisions right here and now. The league has to be fair and reasonable with regards what it expects from the licenses and what it can charge the two AFL teams to use Adelaide Oval, but the sums should add up such that the 9 clubs receive a strong boost in funding.

Not having to pay for ANYTHING related to the AFL is surely a good thing. It's not the SANFL's responsibility to keep the two teams afloat, besides, the AFL would never let the Crows or Power fall over, so their longevity and prosperity is guaranteed, so the SANFL shouldn't be squeamish in negotiating hard on fees for using Adelaide Oval and so on. So work out how much each game will cost to run and then charge the AFL sides that plus $90K for example.

That would reap each SANFL club $10K per game, $220K for the season.

Its simplistic, I know, but sometimes these things can be kept simple. However, despite what seems like an obvious moment in history where the league can capitalise, I can't help but feel the 9 clubs will just bend over and take anything.

Why some clubs are run by such weak people is beyond me...

... people like us, as members, must take some blame, as we aren't nominating and we vote these tools in!

The problem is when your only getting a average crowd to SANFL matches, clubs are going to struggle to survive and if they do they will struggle to grow without some sort of investment. They have the land at west lakes which will take many years before they see any $$ rolling in, and plus it will take a lot of $$ to do. With selling the AFL license the SANFl would want to be putting that money away in account that will earn them money, not use it as spending money. The SANFL is in a situation where they can use this to grow, but unfortunately I see them failing at doing so. The SANFL needs someone with half a brain that can do this and as we have seen over the years they don't have anyone.

Not dissimilar to the problem an AFL club has when it gets 16,000 to an AFL game. Also doesn't help when one assistant coach gets paid as much as a whole SANFL side.
Agreed with previous posts no need to rush a decision based on an AFL team saying they want something. Sell the licenses first, if that's the best course of action.

on the rails wrote:

kickinit wrote: The SANFL needs someone with half a brain that can do this and as we have seen over the years they don't have anyone.

That is rich coming from you! Seems it doesn't matter when your club has continually had its hand out for $$$?

when have I ever said it doesn't matter. When you have a look at the SANFL current financial situation it is a worry, even if they hadn't given Port handouts they would still be in a very poor situation.

sjt wrote:Not dissimilar to the problem an AFL club has when it gets 16,000 to an AFL game. Also doesn't help when one assistant coach gets paid as much as a whole SANFL side.
Agreed with previous posts no need to rush a decision based on an AFL team saying they want something. Sell the licenses first, if that's the best course of action.

Getting a crowd of 16,000 should turn you a profit, especially in a stadium that 1- is paid for and 2- the owner of the AFL license owns the oval. It also doesn't help when you play on Sunday and have to pay double time to staff members, and pay for staff members in a canteen which you see no return for. The SANFL have made a lot of $$ and it isn't any where to be seen. This scares me because what do they do when they have blown through the sale of the AFL license and the sale of West Lakes land.

We won't blow the money, We will invest it.

kickinit wrote:

sjt wrote:Not dissimilar to the problem an AFL club has when it gets 16,000 to an AFL game. Also doesn't help when one assistant coach gets paid as much as a whole SANFL side.
Agreed with previous posts no need to rush a decision based on an AFL team saying they want something. Sell the licenses first, if that's the best course of action.

Getting a crowd of 16,000 should turn you a profit, especially in a stadium that 1- is paid for and 2- the owner of the AFL license owns the oval. It also doesn't help when you play on Sunday and have to pay double time to staff members, and pay for staff members in a canteen which you see no return for. The SANFL have made a lot of $$ and it isn't any where to be seen. This scares me because what do they do when they have blown through the sale of the AFL license and the sale of West Lakes land.

The SANFL are sitting on a $100m asset you imbecile ...

dedja wrote:

kickinit wrote:

sjt wrote:Not dissimilar to the problem an AFL club has when it gets 16,000 to an AFL game. Also doesn't help when one assistant coach gets paid as much as a whole SANFL side.
Agreed with previous posts no need to rush a decision based on an AFL team saying they want something. Sell the licenses first, if that's the best course of action.

Getting a crowd of 16,000 should turn you a profit, especially in a stadium that 1- is paid for and 2- the owner of the AFL license owns the oval. It also doesn't help when you play on Sunday and have to pay double time to staff members, and pay for staff members in a canteen which you see no return for. The SANFL have made a lot of $$ and it isn't any where to be seen. This scares me because what do they do when they have blown through the sale of the AFL license and the sale of West Lakes land.

The SANFL are sitting on a $100m asset you imbecile ...

and where will most of that money go? time you take out tax, fees and paying someone way too much to do the paper work. Or they could just sell the land to some developer and make less money.

Some of the land will be sold off, whilst the rest will be redeveloped to create ongoing income in the form of a future fund.

Plus there's the income from Adelaide Oval.

They're not in a bad position at all.

What will Port do when they're on their own? ... apart from being reliant on AFL handouts or perish?

Come back in 10 years and let's compare the SANFL finances with Port, that's if Port are still a going concern.

develop it themselves & make money forever!