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White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:06 pm
by Look Good In Leather
Has anyone else noticed the gradual disappearance of the traditional SA feature of red behind posts? Is this another sign of the Victorianisation of our game?

I remember the (slight) controversy when Football Park installed white behind posts to meet AFL specifications a while back but I notice as of Wednesday the SANFL & SACFL have now signed a preferred Goal Post supplier, the PILA group, who only offer white posts.

I haven't noticed but are there any league grounds still using red posts?

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:18 pm
by robranisgod
Look Good In Leather wrote:Has anyone else noticed the gradual disappearance of the traditional SA feature of red behind posts? Is this another sign of the Victorianisation of our game?

I remember the (slight) controversy when Football Park installed white behind posts to meet AFL specifications a while back but I notice as of Wednesday the SANFL & SACFL have now signed a preferred Goal Post supplier, the PILA group, who only offer white posts.

I haven't noticed but are there any league grounds still using red posts?


Prospect still has them, well at least as at round 3 this year (see link below) I have always thought that the red behind posts were logical. I'm sure Malcolm Blight would agree given his blunder when playing for North Melbourne. Scott Leal made the same mistake down at Noarlunga in 2000 in a game that ended in a draw. He ran into an open point thinking that it was two goal posts, rather than a goal and a behind post.

I can remember a Victorian acquaintance coming to Prospect some 30 years ago and asking with a straight face whether all teams in SA had goal and behind posts in the club colours!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t8W47QW ... e=youtu.be

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:21 pm
by tipper
i reckon richmond has red behind posts too, i think i noted that the other night when i saw the mini league at half time had all white, yet the "real" posts were the two colours (although i could have been drunk)

meanwhile surely the posts arent replaced often enough to require a prefferred supplier?? what is the life expectancy of a set of posts? its also not hard to give a pair a coat of paint before installation...

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:27 pm
by robranisgod
And Richmond, Norwood and Unley did in round one

They seem to be the only four though.

Next thing you know it will be 4 points for a win and two points for a draw. Percentage will become points for over points against, which is actually the only VFL initiative that I don't have a problem with and teams named with the backs up the top

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:15 pm
by The Sleeping Giant
Another burning issue. ;)

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:50 pm
by Mr66
'Victorianisation'?
The game was INVENTED in Victoria! #-o
:roll:

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:28 pm
by therisingblues
Mr66 wrote:'Victorianisation'?
The game was INVENTED in Victoria! #-o
:roll:

America invented hamburgers. Surely there's room for our own identity in this somewhere?

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:29 pm
by Strawb
Mr66 wrote:'Victorianisation'?
The game was INVENTED in Victoria! #-o
:roll:

Ye old South Australia us against them attitude.

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:34 pm
by GWW
I'm just as annoyed when I see teams listed in position with defenders up the top #-o

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:42 pm
by therisingblues
robranisgod wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:Has anyone else noticed the gradual disappearance of the traditional SA feature of red behind posts? Is this another sign of the Victorianisation of our game?

I remember the (slight) controversy when Football Park installed white behind posts to meet AFL specifications a while back but I notice as of Wednesday the SANFL & SACFL have now signed a preferred Goal Post supplier, the PILA group, who only offer white posts.

I haven't noticed but are there any league grounds still using red posts?


Prospect still has them, well at least as at round 3 this year (see link below) I have always thought that the red behind posts were logical. I'm sure Malcolm Blight would agree given his blunder when playing for North Melbourne. Scott Leal made the same mistake down at Noarlunga in 2000 in a game that ended in a draw. He ran into an open point thinking that it was two goal posts, rather than a goal and a behind post.

I can remember a Victorian acquaintance coming to Prospect some 30 years ago and asking with a straight face whether all teams in SA had goal and behind posts in the club colours!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t8W47QW ... e=youtu.be

Met some Vics at Footy Park about 25 years ago. They seemed fascinated by the red point posts.

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:51 pm
by Trader
White posts stand out better against the crowd. It's all to do with broadcasting.

You may recall when they were doing various redevelopments at different grounds the posts actually changed colors half way up. That spot was based on the angle of the camera where the backdrop behind it changed.

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:06 pm
by therisingblues
Trader wrote:White posts stand out better against the crowd. It's all to do with broadcasting.

You may recall when they were doing various redevelopments at different grounds the posts actually changed colors half way up. That spot was based on the angle of the camera where the backdrop behind it changed.

Actually, while we're at it, I hate the way the goal umpire returns to the spot in the middle of the goal posts before signalling a goal. Also for TV purposes. It's just an anti-climax compared to the good old days when the ump would signal from the place he saw it. These days as soon as he begins his strut to the spot you know it's a goal straight away. The actual goal signal becomes redundant.
I also prefered the old style goal umps hat and coat.

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:33 pm
by Interceptor
therisingblues wrote:
Trader wrote:White posts stand out better against the crowd. It's all to do with broadcasting.

You may recall when they were doing various redevelopments at different grounds the posts actually changed colors half way up. That spot was based on the angle of the camera where the backdrop behind it changed.

Actually, while we're at it, I hate the way the goal umpire returns to the spot in the middle of the goal posts before signalling a goal. Also for TV purposes. It's just an anti-climax compared to the good old days when the ump would signal from the place he saw it. These days as soon as he begins his strut to the spot you know it's a goal straight away. The actual goal signal becomes redundant.
I also prefered the old style goal umps hat and coat.

Not to mention the exaggerated signalling techniques :)

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:39 pm
by Wedgie
South have 8 white posts at each end, its almost like they're trying to win with confusion!

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:46 am
by on the rails
therisingblues wrote: I also prefered the old style goal umps hat and coat.


LOL - along with the black boots that looked like good wearing out street shoes! Plus I swear they all looked 60 yrs of age too in that get up! :D

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:06 am
by therisingblues
on the rails wrote:
therisingblues wrote: I also prefered the old style goal umps hat and coat.


LOL - along with the black boots that looked like good wearing out street shoes! Plus I swear they all looked 60 yrs of age too in that get up! :D

:shock: I thought they all were 60 years of age!!!

What colour behind posts did the WAFL use?

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:03 pm
by robranisgod
therisingblues wrote:
on the rails wrote:
therisingblues wrote: I also prefered the old style goal umps hat and coat.


LOL - along with the black boots that looked like good wearing out street shoes! Plus I swear they all looked 60 yrs of age too in that get up! :D

:shock: I thought they all were 60 years of age!!!

What colour behind posts did the WAFL use?

WA always used the white point posts

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:11 pm
by Psyber
Mr66 wrote:'Victorianisation'?
The game was INVENTED in Victoria! #-o
:roll:

So they sometimes claim, but: http://www.sanfl.com.au/the_sanfl/history_of_the_sanfl/
Football in South Australia has a long and colourful history. The first official record of Australian Rules being played in SA dates back to 1843. Originally established as the South Australian Football Association on April 30, 1877, the South Australian National Football League is not only the oldest surviving football league of any code in the nation but is also one of the oldest competitions in the world.

A VFL/AFL history site says:
The Victorian Football League was established in 1896 when six of the strongest clubs in Victoria – Collingwood, Essendon, Fitzroy, Geelong, Melbourne and South Melbourne – broke away from the established Victorian Football Association to establish the new league.


And from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of ... s_football
Pre-1858 accounts of "football"

Some form of football was played in Australia dating back to the period before European colonization. With the arrival of Europeans, a form of football was played very early on with matches being played in by 1829 in Sydney, Melbourne by 1840, Brisbane by 1849,[4][5] and Tasmania by 1851.[5][6] Most of these early games took part at local festivals, with no clear set of rules being used, and no codifed version of any game being played.[5] Regional versions of football were played in places like South Australia using house rules predating Victorian codification of the game. The versions played locally in this period borrowed elements from the various codes that are present today including Australian rules, soccer and rugby league with the rules played being decided prior to the start of the match.[7][8]
1858 – Earliest documented clubs and matches

Football became increasingly organised and ingrained in the colony of Victoria in 1858, particularly in the capital Melbourne and surrounds.

The first written mentions of a football club in St Kilda appears in April 1858, however historians recognise it to be an informal version of the game.[9]

On 15 June 1858 the earliest known record of Victorian football match was played with modified rules between St Kilda Grammar School (now defunct) and Melbourne Grammar School on the St Kilda foreshore.[10][11]

There are also reports from 1858 of "football" clubs in Albert Park and Richmond.[citation needed]

Media reports cited by various sources claimed that a man named George Bruce is alleged to have played for a team known as Richmond Cricketers and also for the Colony of Victoria and, in 1858, was allegedly voted by newspaper writers as the Champion Player of the Colony. The claim has dubious historical merit. The story is of him playing wearing an iron hook in place of a missing hand.[citation needed]

The first recorded club in South Australia was the Adelaide Football Club, in 1860 (This club has no link to the current Adelaide "Crows" Football Club in the AFL)

Although reports from the media of the time indicate that senior football was played and that some early clubs may have been formed no records from the clubs themselves are known to exist. It is typically assumed that they played by their own rules.

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:12 pm
by mick
On Wednesday 18th April 1866 a public meeting was held in the North Kapunda Hotel for the purpose of forming a football club. It was unanimously resolved that a club be formed and called 'The Kapunda Football Club'.

I'm wondering whether the Kapunda Football Club is the oldest club in SA in continuous existence?

Re: White Behind Posts

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:47 pm
by robranisgod
mick wrote:On Wednesday 18th April 1866 a public meeting was held in the North Kapunda Hotel for the purpose of forming a football club. It was unanimously resolved that a club be formed and called 'The Kapunda Football Club'.

I'm wondering whether the Kapunda Football Club is the oldest club in SA in continuous existence?

I believe that it is the second oldest club in SA behind the Modbury Football Club which was formed in 1862. I don't have definitive proof that Modbury has continuously existed but their website seems to suggest that they have. The link below lists the oldest clubs in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Au ... ablishment