Spelly and Ecky's dream scenario (maybe not Ecky)

All discussions to do with the SANFL

Spelly and Ecky's dream scenario (maybe not Ecky)

Postby am Bays » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:15 am

It is possible that if South lose this week but they beat Glenelg the following week they could both end up on the same number of points and the same %age.....

My questions to Spelly and Ecky are:

1. What is the system for determining the highest rank team with respect to % age (how many decimal points 2, 3 or more)
2. If they are tied on percentage does it go to win loss ratio over the season?

Personally I would find highly ironic and amusing if we went through after being tied on percentage but with a 2-1 win ratio over the season South would still miss out......

Next best scenario would be lose but be one point better in for and against so we go through......
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
User avatar
am Bays
Coach
 
 
Posts: 19730
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:04 pm
Location: The back bar at Lennies
Has liked: 182 times
Been liked: 2123 times

Postby mal » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:29 am

Just do the greatest game protocol thing.
Penalty shoot out shots for goal.

If it did happen, how would they determine the 5th spot?
mal
Coach
 
Posts: 30189
Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:45 pm
Has liked: 2106 times
Been liked: 2128 times

Postby spell_check » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:04 am

It is a fascinating scenario which I think has come across many a spectators mind.

I honestly do not know the official procedure; I would guess very few people actually do.

I get the feeling that to make it next to impossible the % is extended to infinite decimal places to decide.

I recall seeing the % presented to 3 decimal places in the Advertiser in this situation after Round 19 1969:

Code: Select all
4   N.A   19   13   6   0   259   252   1806   219   239   1553   53.77   26
5   W.T   19   13   6   0   269   244   1858   228   230   1598   53.76   26


North did have the .01 advantage over Torrens, but it was displayed as such:

Code: Select all
4   N.A   19   13   6   0   259   252   1806   219   239   1553   53.766   26
5   W.T   19   13   6   0   269   244   1858   228   230   1598   53.762   26


which could indicate that the percentage can be extended if need be, and I doubt if that was the case then, it would be changed now.

Anyway, North Adelaide lost to Sturt at Unley in Round 20 (11.14 to 14.14) and Torrens won against Port at Alberton (16.15 to 9.10), so any chance of an equal % was avoided.

The 4th and 5th positions after the minor round in 1969 ended up looking like this:

Code: Select all
4   W.T   20   14   6   0   285   259   1969   237   240   1662   54.23   28
5   N.A   20   13   7   0   270   266   1886   233   253   1651   53.32   26
spell_check
Coach
 
 
Posts: 18824
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:56 pm
Has liked: 49 times
Been liked: 227 times

Postby spell_check » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:18 am

It could still happen if South win this week and draw against Glenelg the following week, but South would need to win with the scoreline against West as 52 points to 32, which isn't realistic unless if the worst conditions imaginable occur at Noarlunga on Saturday.

Then the points for and against for both Glenelg and South will be exactly equal!
spell_check
Coach
 
 
Posts: 18824
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:56 pm
Has liked: 49 times
Been liked: 227 times

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:26 am

Someone once told me it would be based on how the two sides fared against each other during the season, but I don't know if that's official or speculative.
User avatar
Adelaide Hawk
Coach
 
 
Posts: 7339
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:52 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time

Postby Magpiespower » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:01 am

In the old days, the NSWRL would play midweek mini-elimination finals between the teams that were level on points at the end of the minor round.

The winner went on to play in the EF that weekend...
User avatar
Magpiespower
Coach
 
 
Posts: 6292
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:12 am
Location: Salisbury
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 125 times
Grassroots Team: Salisbury

Postby am Bays » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:15 am

mal wrote:Just do the greatest game protocol thing.
Penalty shoot out shots for goal.


The greatest game (Australian Football) doesn't have penalty shoot-outs :roll:
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
User avatar
am Bays
Coach
 
 
Posts: 19730
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:04 pm
Location: The back bar at Lennies
Has liked: 182 times
Been liked: 2123 times

Postby MightyEagles » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:26 am

It should go on who beat who during the season, eg South and Glenelg are even on pts, games won and % and they played each other 3 times and Glenelg won 2 of those, then Glenelg would go through.
WOOOOO, Premiers 1993, 2006 and 2011!
Eagles - P 528 W 320 L 205 D 3 W% 60.89
WFC - P 575 W 160 L 411 D 4 W% 28.17
WTFC - P 1568 W 702 L 841 D 25 W% 45.56
Total - P 2671 W 1183 L 1457 D 32 W% 44.88
3 Flags - 1 Club
MightyEagles
Coach
 
 
Posts: 11771
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:38 pm
Location: The MightyEagles Memorial Timekeepers Box
Has liked: 10 times
Been liked: 12 times
Grassroots Team: United Eagles

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:32 am

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
mal wrote:Just do the greatest game protocol thing.
Penalty shoot out shots for goal.


The greatest game (Australian Football) doesn't have penalty shoot-outs :roll:



There's clearly only one solution here.....

ROCK PAPER SCISSORS :lol: :lol:
User avatar
Footy Chick
Moderator
 
 
Posts: 26903
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:44 pm
Location: anywhere I want to be...
Has liked: 1766 times
Been liked: 2190 times

Re: Spelly and Ecky's dream scenario (maybe not Ecky)

Postby Pseudo » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:15 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:2. If they are tied on percentage does it go to win loss ratio over the season?


It should go to alphabetical order. :wink:
Clowns OUT. Smears OUT. RESIST THE OCCUPATION.
User avatar
Pseudo
Coach
 
 
Posts: 12239
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:11 am
Location: enculez-vous
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 1651 times
Grassroots Team: Marion

Postby Sam_goUUUdogs » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:43 pm

i think it would just be the same as if its a draw in a finals match, extra time.
User avatar
Sam_goUUUdogs
League - Top 5
 
 
Posts: 2692
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:06 pm
Location: London, England
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 2 times

Postby Punk Rooster » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:46 pm

Falcon Chick wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
mal wrote:Just do the greatest game protocol thing.
Penalty shoot out shots for goal.


The greatest game (Australian Football) doesn't have penalty shoot-outs :roll:



There's clearly only one solution here.....

ROCK PAPER SCISSORS :lol: :lol:

No, the Aussie way to sort this out would be a beer drinking contest....
Ralph Wiggum wrote:That's where I saw the leprechaun. He told me to burn things

Ken Farmer>John Coleman

Hindmarsh Pest Control
User avatar
Punk Rooster
Coach
 
 
Posts: 11948
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:30 am
Location: Paper Street Soap Company
Has liked: 16 times
Been liked: 16 times
Grassroots Team: Fitzroy

Postby StrayDog » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:44 am

Surely rounding to decimal places is done only for presentation - any more than two is, in the main, a waste of print space. It's not uncommon these days to see it to one decimal place.

spell_check wrote:It is a fascinating scenario which I think has come across many a spectators mind.

I honestly do not know the official procedure; I would guess very few people actually do.


A quick check of the official Rule Book and I can't find any reference to it.

spell_check wrote:I get the feeling that to make it next to impossible the % is extended to infinite decimal places to decide.


I know I'd feel pretty cheated if my side missed out on some count back if they'd performed better at minor round's end, even if it was just by a thousanth of a bee's whisker.
StrayDog
League Bench Warmer
 
 
Posts: 1457
Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:26 pm
Location: Carpark.
Has liked: 1329 times
Been liked: 205 times

Postby westside » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:13 am

Not SANFL, but this is how soccer leagues generally do it (SANFL would probably use something similar).

They go through this list until one team comes out ahead:

1/ goal difference

2/ win loss record between each club for the season

3/ goal difference from those clashes

4/ number of yellow (red?) cards

5/ coin toss (the A-League does this!)
westside
Under 16s
 
Posts: 363
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:11 pm
Has liked: 0 time
Been liked: 0 time


Board index   Football  SANFL

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests

Around the place

Competitions   SANFL Official Site | Country Footy SA | Southern Football League | VFL Footy
Club Forums   Snouts Louts | The Roost | Redlegs Forum |