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Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:38 pm
by Big Phil
FULL TIME @ UNLEASH SOLAR OVAL

LEAGUE:

Final Scores

Eagles - 11.15 = 81

Sturt - 11.6 = 72

WWT wins by 9 points




GOAL KICKERS:

Eagles - J.Toumpas 3, A.Grocke, C.Ellis-Yolmen 2, M.Goldsworthy, N.Joyce, J.Redden, L.Staple 1

Sturt - T.Hurley, T.McIntyre, J.Cubillo, B.Martin, S.Kerridge 2, J.Plant 1




FREE KICK COUNT:

Eagles - 27

Sturt - 10




FINAL STATS WINNERS: (Courtesy of Chamion Data)

http://sanfl.championdata.com/matches/1 ... mmary.html




CROWD: 2,038 @ Unleash Solar Oval, Woodville




RESERVES:

Final Scores

Sturt - 14.9 = 93

Eagles - 7.9 = 51

Double Blues win by 42 points




GOAL KICKERS:

Sturt - S.Miles, Z.Vitkunas, B.Harland 3, J.Mutton 2, M.Crocker, J.Greenslade 1

Eagles - J.Von Bertouch, J.Summerton, P.Lindsay, N.Ramsey, N.Batley, S.Heinjus, T.Lane 1

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:48 pm
by csbowes
I don't know what's wrong with this club... a couple of years ago they were playing off in a Grand Final, now they're looking at back to back spoons and returning to being the league joke they were in the mid-1990s. On paper the team looks competitive, but its amazing how far we've fallen away in such a short period.

Last year we only just came last, unfortunately I can see us being several wins behind the second bottom team. There is no forward option, no one to kick goals and the defence can't stop people scoring. I know these have been close losses, but realistically Sturt should have been blown away well beforehand, the opposition has kept us alive.

Very disappointing Sturt.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 5:53 pm
by Brendan M
Couldn't make it due to Mother's Day duties, but a great call from the R-PH team.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:07 pm
by eddie eagle
Fantastic win by the boys. Mothers day lunch prevented attendance today.

As for what is wrong with sturt, maybe one could start with the current sturt President/CEO who was quoted as saying that "the wooden spoon last year was undeserved, we played football at times that was a lot better than 9th place" Facts would show otherwise. The spoon was returned to the most frequently visited club of recent history.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:11 pm
by scott
Big Phil wrote:FREE KICK COUNT:

Eagles - 27

Sturt - 10

17 is the biggest free kick differential for the year (next closest was 9) and the biggest since round 3, 2011 (South 15-35 Centrals).

Sturt's discipline should come under some sort of scrutiny - they've given away 26 free kicks more than they've received this season (next closest is North with 18) and have only been on the good side of the free kick count once since Round 15, 2011 (12 matches, 208 for, 252 against).

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:15 pm
by stampy
the eags always get a free ride from the magots,

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:25 pm
by scott
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,

Not a bad call - since Round 1, 2011 in H&A games they've been on the good side of the count 21 times to 6. Again it goes back to discipline.

2011 free kick differential:
+75 EAGLES
+34 PORT MAGPIES
+15 GLENELG
+13 NORTH ADELAIDE
-8 WEST ADELAIDE
-10 SOUTH ADELAIDE
-15 NORWOOD
-50 STURT
-54 CENTRAL DISTRICT

2012 free kick differential:
+28 EAGLES
+19 CENTRAL DISTRICT
+13 PORT MAGPIES
+8 WEST ADELAIDE
-6 SOUTH ADELAIDE
-8 NORWOOD
-10 GLENELG
-18 NORTH ADELAIDE
-26 STURT

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:53 pm
by CUTTERMAN
Well done to WWT, should've put the game away on many occasions but failed to do so. Again Sturt are failing to remain competitive at certain periods of the game and having to fight back.
Scott, you're comment about Sturts disclipline may be a fair one but fails dismally when obvious frees aren't paid the other way. 2nd 1/4 Hurley pushed in the back F50. No free. WWT player given a free for a high tackle received from a team mate. Other high tackles and in the backs not paid in Sturts F50. Many holding the ball not paid when the ball is just dropped in the tackle.
So it's not just the soft ones that WWT get, it's the obvious ones that Sturt don't get that really hurt. I'd like to know how many WWT frees were in or around their F 50, I'd guess about 6-8. Effectively Sturt were playing against two teams today and almost came away with a win. I reckon we had a pretty fair deal with the umps when we thumped them at AO last year, other than that I don't think there's many times we've had the better of the decisions.
SANFL umpiring is way below a reasonable standard, it needs to be dealt with soon. It's not good enough.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:08 pm
by MightyEagles
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,


You wern't at Unley Oval yesterday for the u18s then.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:18 pm
by The Sleeping Giant
MightyEagles wrote:
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,


You wern't at Unley Oval yesterday for the u18s then.


Not relevant

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:51 pm
by Jim05
scott wrote:
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,

Not a bad call - since Round 1, 2011 in H&A games they've been on the good side of the count 21 times to 6. Again it goes back to discipline.

2011 free kick differential:
+75 EAGLES
+34 PORT MAGPIES
+15 GLENELG
+13 NORTH ADELAIDE
-8 WEST ADELAIDE
-10 SOUTH ADELAIDE
-15 NORWOOD
-50 STURT
-54 CENTRAL DISTRICT

2012 free kick differential:
+28 EAGLES
+19 CENTRAL DISTRICT
+13 PORT MAGPIES
+8 WEST ADELAIDE
-6 SOUTH ADELAIDE
-8 NORWOOD
-10 GLENELG
-18 NORTH ADELAIDE
-26 STURT

Gee the undefeated top of the table side must be poor discilined. Obviously we need to change our style ;)

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:59 pm
by CUTTERMAN
Yep, hard to understand how a team that has only won two games has such a differential in the positive. You'd think that if you were losing games you'd be second to the ball thus giving away more frees.
Doesn't add up!
Hate it when the umpires get it wrong :)

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:02 pm
by fish
csbowes wrote:I don't know what's wrong with this club... a couple of years ago they were playing off in a Grand Final, now they're looking at back to back spoons and returning to being the league joke they were in the mid-1990s. On paper the team looks competitive, but its amazing how far we've fallen away in such a short period.
I think it's fair to say that Sturt over-achieved in 2009. But, yeah, the demise since then is very disappointing...

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:08 pm
by MightyEagles
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
MightyEagles wrote:
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,


You wern't at Unley Oval yesterday for the u18s then.


Not relevant


To the clubs it is relevant.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:21 pm
by Aerie
Good to get the win. Eagles should have sewn the game up much earlier, but to Sturt's credit they fought back and looked likely to win it heading in to time on of the last quarter. The Eagles found something in those last 6 or 7 minutes to get the much needed win and keep the season alive.

Thompson and Toumpas were outstanding. Was a solid effort for about 2 and a half quarters. Some goal kicking practise needed over the two week break - that almost cost them the game.

A chance to refresh and refocus now after clawing our way back into the season. The month after the two week break we come up against 4 sides who will be fighting for the same couple of spots in the five that we'll be after, albeit 3 of those 4 away. Will need to win at least 3 to stay in the hunt. I'm confident the Eagles can come good after the break.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:24 pm
by Aerie
fish wrote:
csbowes wrote:I don't know what's wrong with this club... a couple of years ago they were playing off in a Grand Final, now they're looking at back to back spoons and returning to being the league joke they were in the mid-1990s. On paper the team looks competitive, but its amazing how far we've fallen away in such a short period.
I think it's fair to say that Sturt over-achieved in 2009. But, yeah, the demise since then is very disappointing...


A win today to Sturt (which was looking likely towards the end) and they would have been percentage from 5th with a game in hand. Don't think they are that bad. All 9 sides still a chance for the finals, although it is looking like a two horse race for the premiership.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:24 pm
by CUTTERMAN
MightyEagles wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
MightyEagles wrote:
stampy wrote:the eags always get a free ride from the magots,


You wern't at Unley Oval yesterday for the u18s then.


Not relevant


To the clubs it is relevant.

Agree, the issue is very relevant to Sturt today.

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:53 pm
by Aerie
Speaking of umpiring...

What about Joyce's point at the end of the game? Goal umpire called goal, field umpire was happy to call a goal but the 13 year old boundary umpire over ruled and was adamant the ball was touched. How do they come to that decision???

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:05 pm
by mal
Last year I backed ST and they lost 10-14 to 10-8
From memory that was the game Mcleay outmarked Staple very late in the match ?????
The umpire saw it different, paid a free to Staple for a nudge in the back???
Staple kicked a goal
I had thought it was a mark, but perhaps I was talking from my pocket

This year I backed the EG and ST lost again 11-15 to 11-6
I won this time , and will not complain about the umpiring
Once again Staple kicked a late goal
I feel that the EG got much the better of the 50/50 decisions most of the day


Jimmy Toumpas is in my opinion the best disposer of a football at the EG club

5 minutes into the 3rd qtr
EG 10-13
ST 6-3
ST made about 6 shocking disposals, looked gone
My thoughts :
EG with a stiff breeze were looking likely to be 60+ points up at 3/4 time , and trounce ST
I read this game wrong at that stage

Re: Rnd 8 - Eagles v Sturt - POST MATCH DISCUSSION

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:23 pm
by Mickyj
Aerie wrote:Speaking of umpiring...

What about Joyce's point at the end of the game? Goal umpire called goal, field umpire was happy to call a goal but the 13 year old boundary umpire over ruled and was adamant the ball was touched. How do they come to that decision???


So thats what happened all we could see from the stand were the umps going on and on.