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Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:34 pmby Sojourner
According to John Worsfold, the West Coast Eagles could have won another five premierships if they had a Reserves Team in the WAFL
Looks like he is not bothering to hide his thoughts on what he thinks is the best outcome for the Eagles, I do wonder if the Crows have the same opinion be it publically or privately and what they are saying to the SANFL over it.
WEST Coast coach John Worsfold claims the Eagles could have won five AFL premierships by now had they possessed their own stand-alone reserves team in the WAFL.
Both the Eagles and Dockers are desperate to field their own reserves team in the WAFL by next year in order to better manage their fringe and emerging players.
As it stands, West Coast and Fremantle players are spread across the nine existing WAFL clubs.
Last week, the West Australian Football Commission knocked back a joint bid by West Coast and Fremantle to field their own WAFL teams from next year.
But the issue isn't dead and buried just yet, with the two AFL clubs working feverishly on a new proposal to present to the WAFL clubs and the WAFC.
The Eagles have won three premierships since entering the competition in 1987, but Worsfold believed that figure would have been higher had the club fielded their own stand-alone reserves team, much like defending premiers Collingwood and ladder-leaders Geelong are able to do in the Victorian Football League.
"I would like to think that the Eagles could have won five premierships in 25 years with this model, with a developing team,'' Worsfold said.
"So if we're happy to sit back and say three every 25 years is enough and (combined with) Fremantle ... three premierships in 41 years.
"If we're all happy with that we'll just float along but if we want five, six, seven or eight premierships between the two clubs in the next 40 years then I think we need to look at making changes.
"That's the reason we've put so much work into this proposal - for the development of your players and to continue developing your team, to get stronger growth and less steep declines when you do have big changes of players (and) retirements.
"They tend to come in clumps because of the way the draft works.
"I think this system (of having a reserves side) will smooth out the climb for the teams, so rather than dipping all the way down to really low parts of the ladder you can potentially rebuild your side and maybe be just outside the eight and always challenging.
"So for the club's ... long-term success, I think that's why we're asking for it.''http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/wo ... 6076517279
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:37 pmby dedja
... if a few of us weren't caught snorting powder
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:40 pmby bayman
dedja wrote:... if a few of us weren't caught snorting powder
that's funny as i thought the exact same thing as i read the post
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:46 pmby CENTURION
and o/d-ing.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:27 pmby Pseudo
dedja wrote:... if a few of us weren't caught snorting powder
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:40 pmby Barto
So which years premierships were they John?
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:25 amby Grahaml
Yeah, shame the conclusion drawn and made as the thread topic is completely wrong.
I would like to think that the Eagles could have won five premierships in 25 years with this model, with a developing team
They have 3, and unless my year 1 maths is wrong, that's only 2 less than what he claims they might have won and not 5.
Given the strength they had in the 90s and mid 2000s it's not such a wild claim. Maybe it could have been the edge they needed in 1991 and 2005. Maybe not. All he's saying is it's an advantage and might have proven the advantage needed.
So, in conclusion your skills as a journalist suck. Want a job at the Advertiser?
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:43 amby redandblack
Correct about the thread title, graham.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:08 amby nickname
There is no logic or detail in Worsfold's argument though, just a bald assertion which I think is without foundation.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:11 amby Mr Beefy
Isn't he saying we, as in WA football including Freo, not we as in WCE?
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:15 amby redandblack
Correct about Worsfold's argument, nickname.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:33 amby White Line Fever
Play the fringe / developing players in the positions you'd like them in the seniors, they learn to play with each other, build friendships, learn the game plan.
When you're training an apprentice you don't send him to another company and when he gets goods enough take him back.
Train from within, learn how the organization works.
The sooner SA adopts it too and we will see a big improvement over the long run from our AFL sides.
Excellent article Worsfold - makes perfect logical sense.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:51 amby JK
There must be some way Woosha thinks the Weagles could have taken their tanking to a new level with reserves teams
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:09 amby nickname
White Line Fever wrote:Play the fringe / developing players in the positions you'd like them in the seniors, they learn to play with each other, build friendships, learn the game plan.
When you're training an apprentice you don't send him to another company and when he gets goods enough take him back.
Train from within, learn how the organization works.
The sooner SA adopts it too and we will see a big improvement over the long run from our AFL sides.
Excellent article Worsfold - makes perfect logical sense.
They already have about 50 hours a week to "play with each other, build friendships, learn the game plan." An extra two is going to make a big difference?
Again, even if you accept this as an argument to dramatically improve their performances, it's not an argument for damaging the integrity of the SANFL.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:19 amby White Line Fever
nickname wrote:White Line Fever wrote:Play the fringe / developing players in the positions you'd like them in the seniors, they learn to play with each other, build friendships, learn the game plan.
When you're training an apprentice you don't send him to another company and when he gets goods enough take him back.
Train from within, learn how the organization works.
The sooner SA adopts it too and we will see a big improvement over the long run from our AFL sides.
Excellent article Worsfold - makes perfect logical sense.
They already have about 50 hours a week to "play with each other, build friendships, learn the game plan." An extra two is going to make a big difference?
Again, even if you accept this as an argument to dramatically improve their performances, it's not an argument for damaging the integrity of the SANFL.
To truly understand a gameplan you have to play it.
To have complete friendship / trust you have to play together.
Yes an extra 2 will make ALL the difference.
You'd rather see the inegrity of the AFL damaged than the SANFL? (obviously speculation - we can't predict it will even do any damage)
Aspring youngsters need to want to play at the highest possible level - not SANFL - therefore we have an obligation to provide them the best path & club structure to achieve success.
I love the SANFL but take off the blinkers guys, the AFL is here to stay - get on board
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:20 amby Wedgie
Hmmm, if every club that didn't have a reserves side would have won 2 more flags in the last 25 years if they did have a reserves side then that means about 40-50 flags would have had to have been awarded in 25 seasons if every club had a reserves side every year.
Can't argue with that logic!
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:45 amby White Line Fever
Wedgie wrote:Hmmm, if every club that didn't have a reserves side would have won 2 more flags in the last 25 years if they did have a reserves side then that means about 40-50 flags would have had to have been awarded in 25 seasons if every club had a reserves side every year.
Can't argue with that logic!
Let me help clear it up for you.
A reserves team will help develop the fringe players, for example players 17-25 of squad, who are in and out of the team.
If the first 16 are no good, no reserves team will help, ableit maybe in the long run if your focus is re-building.
Terrible argument.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:48 amby JK
White Line Fever wrote:Wedgie wrote:Hmmm, if every club that didn't have a reserves side would have won 2 more flags in the last 25 years if they did have a reserves side then that means about 40-50 flags would have had to have been awarded in 25 seasons if every club had a reserves side every year.
Can't argue with that logic!
Let me help clear it up for you.
A reserves team will help develop the fringe players, for example players 17-25 of squad, who are in and out of the team.
If the first 16 are no good, no reserves team will help, ableit maybe in the long run if your focus is re-building.
Terrible argument.
So get Andy to part with some extra cash, increase playing lists and implement an AFL reserves competition if clubs genuinely believe it will be that beneficial.
Look at the added benefits of having fringe players adjust to the routine of travel prior to senior selection and the bonding with the senior guys over the duration of the trip.
Also makes it likely that crowds would increase and the public would spender longer at the venue each week with 2 games of interest.
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:51 amby Wedgie
White Line Fever wrote:Wedgie wrote:Hmmm, if every club that didn't have a reserves side would have won 2 more flags in the last 25 years if they did have a reserves side then that means about 40-50 flags would have had to have been awarded in 25 seasons if every club had a reserves side every year.
Can't argue with that logic!
Let me help clear it up for you.
A reserves team will help develop the fringe players, for example players 17-25 of squad, who are in and out of the team.
If the first 16 are no good, no reserves team will help, ableit maybe in the long run if your focus is re-building.
Terrible argument.
Don't have to clear anything up, a majority of flags have been won in the AFL without a true reserves side, if those sides had won 2 more flags each we'd have run out of cups!
My argument might be terrible but Worsfolds is even worse!
Personally I reckon North Adelaide would have won 20 more flags in the last 20 years if they didn't have a reserves side, I guess its all just crazy speculation and we'll never know though!
Geddit?
Re: Worsfold - We could have won 5 more Premierships
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Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:59 amby Pseudo
White Line Fever wrote:You'd rather see the inegrity of the AFL damaged than the SANFL?
Integrity? AFL?
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!BTW - if the rest of your post is truly representative of your attitude then why not wander over to Bigfooty.com where your posts will be better appreciated by the other epsilon-grades.