SA Footy

As per AdelaideNow and a somewhat perplexing thread on the AFL Boards, the SANFL is no longer able to borrow money to keep bailing out the Power any more.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-football-club-runs-out-of-cash-sanfl-may-take-over/story-e6freco3-1226066003365

With the "One Club" model - how will this affect the Magpies longevity in the SANFL?
What are the implications for club dividends?
What are the implications for the 9 SANFL clubs?
If the SANFL takes over the licence (ie its operations), is this a time to "re-brand" Port as a club that is not just Port through and through, but an entity with potential appeal for more than just Port faithful?

I'll be very interested in views expressed....as I expect many others would be also. There is a lot to play out here in the near future...

LOL, 3 different thread on this ... maybe start one for every forum!

dedja wrote:LOL, 3 different thread on this ... maybe start one for every forum!

Yeah, first one in the AFL boards but I want to hear discussion from a SANFL competition perspective. Unfortunately as I was typing, someone else posted a straight link (with no discussion) and that made it 3 threads. BUT - do you think a moderator was/is on line when you need them?

Nah, leave it the way it is ...

It is strange to have 3 threads - maybe keep one in the AFL Thread and 1 in SANFL Thread.

Squark has raised some good questions in this thread about how the decision will effect the SANFL clubs.

I wonder if Rucci has jumped the gun here, as I would expect the SANFL bosses would like a bit more time to get the answers prepared to the multitude of questions that are going to be thrown their way in the morning.

It will be interesting to see how they intend to explain and plan for the impact this will have upon the dividends (or lack of) and decision making processes of the SANFL Board.
As I understand it, the 9 SANFL clubs each have 1/9th share in the organisation and dividends.
Am I correct in there are just 8 voting Presidents on the Board already since the One-Club was initiated?

I will expect the need for a lot of changes to the SANFL Constitution in the very near future. I suspect this will only be possible with a Special General Meeting to allow the proposed changes to go through.

Will be a lot of long days and nights in the board room at Football Park in the next few weeks.

One club, still broke ...

I've been saying it on various forums that the SANFL should take the club over as an administrator. Wonder if Rucc ever comes up with his own ideas for articles?

The whole 1 club thing not working out to well for them hey?

whufc wrote:The whole 1 club thing not working out to well for them hey?

Actually Port are 2.5 million better off this year under One Club.

The bigger question is how can the SANFL be reaping 4 million a year from Port (bar last year) and god knows how much from the Crows and still be in financial difficulty?

Barto wrote:I've been saying it on various forums that the SANFL should take the club over as an administrator. Wonder if Rucc ever comes up with his own ideas for articles?

I agree with you Barto. When the SANFL handed over the $4M it was on the basis that Port had a business plan to trade out of their difficulties. It appears that plan has failed - or maybe the administrators have failed to make the plan work.

Either way the financial competancy of Port is under question and they cannot be allowed to drag the whole SANFL down with them.

They will get bailed out this time
But whaddabout the next time and the next time and the next time

The club can be given a panadol this time, but treating the cause is the best remedy

The Port Adelaide image is the problem
Quite simply a vast majority of primary school kids are budding Adelaide Crow barrackers in the making or already are
I take it as a guess perhaps 75% of the adult population are anti PA
This stems from the SANFL them against us mentality
That PA culture is perhaps a stumbling block
Too many parents have brainwashed thier kids to dislike PA


The way for PA to survive is to adhere to a 10-20 year plan from now

Im no expert, but a good start would be to allocate free tickets for Power games to every Primary school kid in SA
Theres plenty of room for that to happen as the current PA crowds are quite disMAL
This must be done to the point of saturation


The AFL has created a composite team and given it a defacto name
It was a good short term solution as it got a lotta PA diehards instantly to supPORT a new team
However the pioneer supPORTers have to be replaced by a new generation of supPORTers

Personally I still suPPORT the club, but with this one club razzamatazz shindigerism going on, I like others are getting turned off

MAL makes some good points although at my sons school and local footy team every second kid follows the suns and wear their guernseys

Jim05 wrote:MAL makes some good points although at my sons school and local footy team every second kid follows the suns and wear their guernseys

Thats the worry, they dont have a next generation of fans coming thru.

I coach under 8's footy and in my team of 20 kids there is one Port supporter, one.

There is the majority of crows jumpers, but also plenty of interstate jumpers (inc 3 Roos fans )

10 years ago it would be 50/50 or 40/60 Port and Crows. Now I think kids dont identify with Port and if they dont like the Crows actually look for an interstate team to follow.

Also seen an increase in SANFL jumpers out at junior footy which a good sign for the SANFL comp.

One question Id have and the media should look at this, of the 35k members Port have how many have fully paid up?

How can Port tap in to Central territory (i.e. the northern suburbs)?

An AFL team representing Port and the north of Adelaide as well as being inclusive of the NT would be stronger than Port going it alone. It would take a marketing genius to get these people following a team called Port Adelaide though.

One team representing those north of Adelaide Oval and another team (the Crows) representing those South of Adelaide Oval.

Aerie wrote:How can Port tap in to Central territory (i.e. the northern suburbs)?

An AFL team representing Port and the north of Adelaide as well as being inclusive of the NT would be stronger than Port going it alone. It would take a marketing genius to get these people following a team called Port Adelaide though.

One team representing those north of Adelaide Oval and another team (the Crows) representing those South of Adelaide Oval.

They can change their colours to Red White & blue, call themselves the bulldogs and appoint Roy LAird the coach. Then I would consider following them.

All this talk about marketing plans misses the point. They are going broke because they spend more than they earn. They need to cut their costs to a level less then their guaranteed revenues if they are to survive.

You can guarantee the whipping boy to come out of this will be our 9 clubs. They will be blamed, get substantially reduced dividend from the two clubs and have the SANFL administation changed to such an extent that the 9 clubs future say in SA footy will be reduced to a whimper. Power are in this mess due to their own mismangement, an example of this was agreeing to pay their previous coach $900k per year for his last 3 years of which he didn't complete.
My hope is that while the Power are in meetings our 9 clubs are also in meetings planning militant response to what is going to be war between the AFL clubs & the pathetic SANFL Admin against our comp and clubs that have worked tirelessly against all the odds stacked against it to survive and indeed now thrive.

doggies4eva wrote:

Aerie wrote:How can Port tap in to Central territory (i.e. the northern suburbs)?

An AFL team representing Port and the north of Adelaide as well as being inclusive of the NT would be stronger than Port going it alone. It would take a marketing genius to get these people following a team called Port Adelaide though.

One team representing those north of Adelaide Oval and another team (the Crows) representing those South of Adelaide Oval.

They can change their colours to Red White & blue, call themselves the bulldogs and appoint Roy LAird the coach. Then I would consider following them.

All this talk about marketing plans misses the point. They are going broke because they spend more than they earn. They need to cut their costs to a level less then their guaranteed revenues if they are to survive.

Agreed "doggies" and Chris and James would have to play as well. Spending more than they earn is one problem. Also having one "non-showdown" crowd bigger than 25,000 in the last 27 home games is also a problem. Frustrating they paid Williams out close to a million for Primus (that's worked well) and so far their debt reduction has been about $1mill (from supporters).

Amazing how one particular author can use the financial mismanagement of one club to further push his independence-from-the-SANFL barrow. Your record is broken ferret-head, turn it over.

It probably doesn't help that the AFLPA's CBA requires every club to pay a minimum 95% of the salary cap.

The 9 SANFL clubs are going to be the ones who really suffer out of this, I fear. As mentioned above, I really hope that they are meeting amongst themselves and developing their own strategy here.

This is a very sad state of affairs that SA football has fallen into.
History has shown a combination of factors have made it very hard to sustain 2 AFL licences in SA.
Port can't attract enough public support and that is a huge impediment to any sustainable licence. Their home match attendances are dismal and this is surely the true test of genuine support.
Whether their management is up to the task is open to debate. The Williams payout apparently angered the AFL.
The AFL could use this as an opening to take control of the licences.