SANFL equalisation

[Sojourner]

Its interesting to note that in the WAFL, the majority of the sides perhaps with the exception of newer side Peel Thunder have won a flag within the last 20 years. In that same time the majority of wins of flags in the SANFL have been courtesy of the PAFC and the CDFC. South, West, North and Glenelg have been fairly quiet in terms of actually winning a premiership over the same time period.

I dont dislike Centrals, either did I dislike Port Adelaide before them, if any club is good enough to win and dominate at the SANFL level then good luck to them, in both cases it came on the back of a lot of hard work, quality recruiting, zone development and setting standards probably not realised at their competing clubs at the time.

Yet when compared to other competitions that are Salary Capped, it does seem a little unusual that one club is continiously dominant and the predominant number of the other clubs in the competion simply make up the numbers to take turns at being the side that loses the Grand Final.

As much as the SANFL probably dont want to even look at the issue, I do feel that they should. Again no slur on Centrals, yet if the other sides in the competition are not able to compete with them, then it should be looked at what needs to happen for those sides to improve for the standard of winning finals football in the SANFL. Is it money related? Do Centrals training facilities such a lap pools and so on give them a winning advantage both in terms of playing the game and recruiting? Its way out of my league to suggest what the problems are, yet its getting a little stale watching sides capitulate to the doggies every finals series that comes around!

[heater31]

perhaps the other clubs could take a leaf out of Centrals salary cap structure...... from what I have heard it promotes a culture to be sucessful and if you perform then you are rewarded accordingly.

[robranisgod]

Its interesting to note that in the WAFL, the majority of the sides perhaps with the exception of newer side Peel Thunder have won a flag within the last 20 years. In that same time the majority of wins of flags in the SANFL have been courtesy of the PAFC and the CDFC. South, West, North and Glenelg have been fairly quiet in terms of actually winning a premiership over the same time period.

I dont dislike Centrals, either did I dislike Port Adelaide before them, if any club is good enough to win and dominate at the SANFL level then good luck to them, in both cases it came on the back of a lot of hard work, quality recruiting, zone development and setting standards probably not realised at their competing clubs at the time.

Yet when compared to other competitions that are Salary Capped, it does seem a little unusual that one club is continiously dominant and the predominant number of the other clubs in the competion simply make up the numbers to take turns at being the side that loses the Grand Final.

As much as the SANFL probably dont want to even look at the issue, I do feel that they should. Again no slur on Centrals, yet if the other sides in the competition are not able to compete with them, then it should be looked at what needs to happen for those sides to improve for the standard of winning finals football in the SANFL. Is it money related? Do Centrals training facilities such a lap pools and so on give them a winning advantage both in terms of playing the game and recruiting? Its way out of my league to suggest what the problems are, yet its getting a little stale watching sides capitulate to the doggies every finals series that comes around!

The WAFL has normally been a more even competition. In one 10 year period in the 70s-80s all 8 sides won the flag. SA'S only period like that goes way back to the times of the great depression where every side won a flag.

[am Bays]

Seriously nothing sh!ts me more on this site than people suggestings ways of equalising up this competition or more specifically limiting Centrals dominance. Seriously these threads are far worse than salary cap, imploding or SANFL is doomed threads....

Here's a thought instead of trying to limit Centrals how about the other clubs aspire to better them??

FFS it isn't rocket science what they do, they just do it better than anyone else like Port did in the 90s and Sturt did in the 70s. Nothing is stopping my club from adopting what they did and doing it better.

I'd far rather concentrate on what my club needs to do to better Centrals, or to a lesser extent Norwood and Sturt than relying on the SANFL limit Centrals.

Bottom line to be the best competition outside the AFL we need to embrace excellence not limit it.

END OF RANT!!!!

[bulldogproud2]

Back in 1999, Central decided to study Port Adelaide very very closely and see what made them successful. This study helped us become the club we are today. As some have already stated on here, this is what other clubs need to do. Study what has made Central a reasonable success over the past decade, use the club as a model but put in measures to surpass it.
Cheers

[Dirko]

Back in 1999, Central decided to study Port Adelaide very very closely and see what made them successful.

Does that mean in a few years you'll be broke and looking at merging ?

[Big Phil]

Agree 100% am Bays, well said...

Jabber - NOT FUNNY MAN

Interesting to note that Tony Bamford, the Port Magpies coach, was spotted at Central training down at AAMI last night...

I'd suggest Tony was watching how Roy went about things in a training session as they are the benchmark and other clubs, as am Bays perfectly put it, need to aspire to be better than Central at what they do best.

Amazing how the wheel turns as Central were once in a position through the 90's where they were the ones going to Maggies training sessions making notes.

[bulldogproud2]

Back in 1999, Central decided to study Port Adelaide very very closely and see what made them successful.

Does that mean in a few years you'll be broke and looking at merging ?

Eeks, you could well be right!

[sjt]

North Melbourne won premierships with average facilities. Collingwood (as yet) haven't won premierships with exceptional facilities.
I think its been covered a few times before, but I think success has been a result of a number of factors:

1) Recruiting quality players and players that are quality people. These players generally stay longer than a year.
2) Being financial and good facilities
3) Success breeds success
4) Bringing through quality local players to fill losses via recruitment (out) and retirement
5) Stable management, leadership, and coaching (that doesn't necessarily mean no changes in coaches)
6) A good club atmosphere
7) Not accepting, second best
retaining players, that will play a significant amount of SANFL games.
9) Disciplined leaders

The SANFL has attempted to make things "more even" by making things "uneven', i.e the reverse premiership order mini-draft (which I agree with).
And a bit of luck. If we hadn't got JC, I think I'd be talking about another clubs dominance, as they create and meet a number of the above points.

[Dirko]

I'd suggest Tony was watching how Roy went about things in a training session as they are the benchmark and other clubs, as am Bays perfectly put it, need to aspire to be better than Central at what they do best.

I'd suggest he'd be looking at training in case the Maggies & Dogs met up in the Reserves finals....

[Sojourner]

Seriously nothing sh!ts me more on this site than people suggestings ways of equalising up this competition or more specifically limiting Centrals dominance. Seriously these threads are far worse than salary cap, imploding or SANFL is doomed threads....

Did you actually read the OP?

Show me where I said that Centrals need to be limited......

From the O/P

Again no slur on Centrals, yet if the other sides in the competition are not able to compete with them, then it should be looked at what needs to happen for those sides to improve for the standard of winning finals football in the SANFL.

[Big Phil]

I'd suggest Tony was watching how Roy went about things in a training session as they are the benchmark and other clubs, as am Bays perfectly put it, need to aspire to be better than Central at what they do best.

I'd suggest he'd be looking at training in case the Maggies & Dogs met up in the Reserves finals....

Yeah, but wouldn't Darren Mead, the Maggies ressies coach be there looking, not Tony?

[sjt]

I'd suggest Tony was watching how Roy went about things in a training session as they are the benchmark and other clubs, as am Bays perfectly put it, need to aspire to be better than Central at what they do best.

I'd suggest he'd be looking at training in case the Maggies & Dogs met up in the Reserves finals....

Yeah, but wouldn't Darren Mead, the Maggies ressies coach be there looking, not Tony?

He might have been watching one of the other contending teams train, or be training the Magpies BP.

[JK]

Reckon that's pretty well said AB, and I think it's the way most supporters would feel about it ... I don't want Central to get worse, I want Norwood to get better than them.

LOL Whether I live to see it or not is another matter, but flags don't come cheaply and great teams don't give them up lightly, you just have to be better and that's where the glory and satisfaction comes from.

[am Bays]

Seriously nothing sh!ts me more on this site than people suggestings ways of equalising up this competition or more specifically limiting Centrals dominance. Seriously these threads are far worse than salary cap, imploding or SANFL is doomed threads....

Did you actually read the OP?

Show me where I said that Centrals need to be limited......

From the O/P

Again no slur on Centrals, yet if the other sides in the competition are not able to compete with them, then it should be looked at what needs to happen for those sides to improve for the standard of winning finals football in the SANFL.

But extrinsic factor to drive improvement aren't as sustainable as intrinsic motivation. in other words the SANFl shouldn't be driving this the individual clubs should do it.

Centrals motivated themselves to improve, nothing to stop the rest of us adopting the same attitude. The winning factors for finals football are well known and documented. Eight other clubs just need to be 100% committed to adopting them to surpass Centrals.

IMO, no matter how you word it any attempt by a Central body (no pun intended) to limit one teams dominace or to get others to improve smacks of a slur.

[on the rails]

Seriously nothing sh!ts me more on this site than people suggestings ways of equalising up this competition or more specifically limiting Centrals dominance. Seriously these threads are far worse than salary cap, imploding or SANFL is doomed threads....

Here's a thought instead of trying to limit Centrals how about the other clubs aspire to better them??

FFS it isn't rocket science what they do, they just do it better than anyone else like Port did in the 90s and Sturt did in the 70s. Nothing is stopping my club from adopting what they did and doing it better.

I'd far rather concentrate on what my club needs to do to better Centrals, or to a lesser extent Norwood and Sturt than relying on the SANFL limit Centrals.

Bottom line to be the best competition outside the AFL we need to embrace excellence not limit it.

END OF RANT!!!!

What he said!

[LPH]

Seriously nothing sh!ts me more on this site than people suggestings ways of equalising up this competition or more specifically limiting Centrals dominance. Seriously these threads are far worse than salary cap, imploding or SANFL is doomed threads....

Did you actually read the OP?

Show me where I said that Centrals need to be limited......

From the O/P

Again no slur on Centrals, yet if the other sides in the competition are not able to compete with them, then it should be looked at what needs to happen for those sides to improve for the standard of winning finals football in the SANFL.

But extrinsic factor to drive improvement aren't as sustainable as intrinsic motivation. in other words the SANFl shouldn't be driving this the individual clubs should do it.

Centrals motivated themselves to improve, nothing to stop the rest of us adopting the same attitude. The winning factors for finals football are well known and documented. Eight other clubs just need to be 100% committed to adopting them to surpass Centrals.

IMO, no matter how you word it any attempt by a Central body (no pun intended) to limit one teams dominace or to get others to improve smacks of a slur.

The other clubs ARE the SANFL !!!


AMB are you suggesting that there is nothing wrong with the SANFL???
If so, I think you need to open your eyes - they are losing money & if it continues, the competiton (as we know it) will die.

Centrals are NOT to blame for the state of the game in this State - the SANFL are!

Port Power's problems, Port Magpies & now the Crows financial woes are directly related by how football has been run in this state over the past 5 years.

[sjt]

This might be worth a read (page 3)

http://www.sanfl.com.au/files/_system/F ... screen.pdf
and

http://www.sanfl.com.au/files/_system/F ... arking.pdf

"Despite difficult economic conditions the SANFL
Competition has continued to thrive and the combined
financial performance of the nine SANFL Clubs is a
testament to the diligence of each Board and their
management teams. 2009 saw a combined profit amongst
the Clubs of more than $400,000, which was a $1.8
million improvement on the 2008 results. While this is an
outstanding turnaround, the League acknowledges that
there are significant gaps between the financial positions of the Clubs"

and

The SANFL can report that the trading result was a deficit of
$283,460. So you're right in it is a loss, but due the following:
Account was taken for a number of items that were “one
off” in nature and do not fit within our normal trading
operations, one in particular being the grant paid to PAFC
during the year of $3.5 million. In addition, there was the
write-off of professional service costs incurred in planning
for the redevelopment of AAMI Stadium, and capital works
carried out on local government land surrounding the
Stadium. This write-off amounted to $7.15 million and was
fully funded by State Government grants received in prior

[csbowes]

I've said before on this board that the dominance of Central is not to the benefit of the SANFL as a brand. I don't think that is rocket science, as no league wants to be in a position where it's always a 2-horse or 1-horse race. That said, 2010 is no different to how people may have felt in 1999 when we saw Port Adelaide win its 9th flag in 12 seasons or 1976 when we saw Sturt win its 7th flag in 11 seasons or 1965 when we saw Port Adelaide win its 10th flag in 15 seasons.

I'm sure at those points in time people were getting pretty tired of one club dominating. In those same periods certain clubs were always on the losing side of Grand Finals, Glenelg in the 1990's, Port Adelaide and Glenelg in the 1960's and 1970's and poor old West Adelaide and Norwood were screwed monumentally in the 1950's and 1960's. We've been threw it before and there's no reason not to think that like those great sides, Central are likely to fall away on their own.

Only Port Adelaide has managed to keep things going for an extended period, most other sides, whether they won flags or not, only really dominated and made grannies over a 10 year period at best. We just need to be patient.

My concern is more with Sturt in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010 where I think the team did not get as much out of the season as I think they were capable of... making 2 grannies last decade was good, but we should have made 3-4. So my question to my club is what are they going to do to ensure that (a) they make most of the finals series this decade and (b) once a top three side again, make sure they go on to make 2-3 grannies in succession and really maximise return.

It's a tough gig... no doubt.

[Hondo]

This weekend sees the 3rd Collingwood v Geelong Prelim final in 4 years

Geelong are in their 4th Prelim final in 4 years, St Kilda 3rd in 3 years, Bulldogs 3rd in 3 years, Collingwood 3rd in 4 years

Back to Centrals .... I agree the SANFL can't help the other 8 clubs as it's something they need to do themselves. I'd prefer they not take another 10 years on it!