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To me at the moment, Port Adelaide are like a big old black & white whale that has beached itself. Slowly dying, no-one really wants to watch it die but lots of people go to the beach (Alberton) to watch its demise anyway. Along comes Greenpeace (The SANFL), who try to rescue it & give it some assistance but everyone knows that it's to be in vain, its death seems to be inevitable unfortunately. Some day in the near future, it will succumb & its remains will be kept perserved in a museum (PAFC) for one & all to come & view & to reminisce of a bygone era, when this beast used to roam the seas (AAMI, Woodville, Thebarton, Elizabeth, Richmond, Unley, Norwood, Glenelg, Prospect & Noarlunga/Adelaide Oval), preying on all the unlucky ones that stumbled across its path.
Vale.

I am not sure if they will die.

Beached as bro

I was reading this thread on another forum about "seriously ****ed up things in nature" and someone posted the story of a parasite and it finally dawned that I had the perfect analogy for the Magpies/Power conundrum of which is the real club:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymothoa_exigua

A parasite (Port Power) attaches itself to a fishes tongue (the original Port Adelaide, aka the Magpies). The parasite then starts to feed on the blood of the fishes tongue, and the tongue withers and dies. The parasite then replaces the fish's tongue by attaching its own body to the muscles of the tongue stub. The fish (Port supporters) is able to use the parasite just like a normal tongue. It appears that the parasite does not cause any other damage to the host fish.

Life goes on for the fish, it doesn't have the original tongue, but the fish doesn't care, it can still function and it probably convinces itself that it still has it's original tongue (even though it looks a bit different) as the truth would freak the fish out.

The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club didn't exist until 1997, did it?

Lunchbox Legend wrote:The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club didn't exist until 1997, did it?

I used to think that until a Port supporter set me straight about 6 or 7 years ago even showing me some copies of documents which proved his case, I was happy to admit I was wrong when it became obvious. It was a shame as I liked to tell him how my SANFL club had won more flags than his!

The name didn't but the club did, the club changed its name from the Port Adelaide Football Club to the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club in 1996 so a new business could use that name. Same way the VFL changed its name to the AFL, Nth Melbourne changed its name to the Kangaroos and back again, Garry Hocking changed his name to whiskas and back, the WAFL changed their name to the Westar Rules and back, etc, etc. Same entity, different name.
(ie players who played at the PAFC in 1996 and the PAMFC in 1997 didn't need new contracts as it was the same club but players who played in the PAFC in 1996 and the PAFC (Power) in 1997 did need a new contract as completely new business)

A name change or taking someone else's doesn't change things drastically. Just because I was named Anthony did it mean I'd be a saint, mind you I do like the sound of Anthony the Great!

The club that we refer to as the Magpies here in SA have existed for well over 100 years.

Barto's analogy is a good one but it doesn't refer to how the new entity is destroying itself at a quicker rate than the previous one and only exists because of Centurion's greenpeaces generosity who have no problems saving this bastard animal but hasn't stepped forward to save some beautiful historical and important animals before!

Wedgie wrote:

Lunchbox Legend wrote:The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club didn't exist until 1997, did it?

I used to think that until a Port supporter set me straight about 6 or 7 years ago even showing me some copies of documents which proved his case, I was happy to admit I was wrong when it became obvious. It was a shame as I liked to tell him how my SANFL club had won more flags than his!

The name didn't but the club did, the club changed its name from the Port Adelaide Football Club to the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club in 1996 so a new business could use that name. Same way the VFL changed its name to the AFL, Nth Melbourne changed its name to the Kangaroos and back again, Garry Hocking changed his name to whiskas and back, the WAFL changed their name to the Westar Rules and back, etc, etc. Same entity, different name.
(ie players who played at the PAFC in 1996 and the PAMFC in 1997 didn't need new contracts as it was the same club but players who played in the PAFC in 1996 and the PAFC (Power) in 1997 did need a new contract as completely new business)

A name change or taking someone else's doesn't change things drastically. Just because I was named Anthony did it mean I'd be a saint, mind you I do like the sound of Anthony the Great!

The club that we refer to as the Magpies here in SA have existed for well over 100 years.

Barto's analogy is a good one but it doesn't refer to how the new entity is destroying itself at a quicker rate than the previous one and only exists because of Centurion's greenpeaces generosity who have no problems saving this bastard animal but hasn't stepped forward to save some beautiful historical and important animals before!

Does this mean that you are changing your name from Wedgie to Anthony?

doggies4eva wrote: Does this mean that you are changing your name from Wedgie to Anthony?

lol, maybe the other way around and just like the Magpies I'll be the same person!

Wedgie wrote:

Lunchbox Legend wrote:Barto's analogy is a good one but it doesn't refer to how the new entity is destroying itself at a quicker rate than the previous one and only exists because of Centurion's greenpeaces generosity who have no problems saving this bastard animal but hasn't stepped forward to save some beautiful historical and important animals before!

The new entity will be stronger once it finishes killing off the original.

It's interesting how former players and officials see it differently from the supporters:

Some former players also criticised wearing the heritage guernsey and called for the club to distance itself from its previous history in order to attract a wider fan base. Roger James says he had always viewed the Power as a new club "I understand Port's background but as far as I'm concerned the Power was started from scratch, has only been in the (AFL) competition for 11 years and was made up of players from every SANFL club, to me, its heritage goes back to 1997 and that's why I question the decision to wear a Magpies jumper." Josh Francou commented that "It's time to move on, I can understand Port wanting to recognise its history but there is still a stigma attached with the Port Magpies in that if you don't like them you absolutely hate them and I think Port - while still being respectful of its heritage - has to move away from that."

zipzap wrote:Beached as bro

they're heaps beached as

Wedgie wrote:

Lunchbox Legend wrote:The Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club didn't exist until 1997, did it?

I used to think that until a Port supporter set me straight about 6 or 7 years ago even showing me some copies of documents which proved his case, I was happy to admit I was wrong when it became obvious. It was a shame as I liked to tell him how my SANFL club had won more flags than his!

The name didn't but the club did, the club changed its name from the Port Adelaide Football Club to the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club in 1996 so a new business could use that name. Same way the VFL changed its name to the AFL, Nth Melbourne changed its name to the Kangaroos and back again, Garry Hocking changed his name to whiskas and back, the WAFL changed their name to the Westar Rules and back, etc, etc. Same entity, different name.
(ie players who played at the PAFC in 1996 and the PAMFC in 1997 didn't need new contracts as it was the same club but players who played in the PAFC in 1996 and the PAFC (Power) in 1997 did need a new contract as completely new business)

A name change or taking someone else's doesn't change things drastically. Just because I was named Anthony did it mean I'd be a saint, mind you I do like the sound of Anthony the Great!

The club that we refer to as the Magpies here in SA have existed for well over 100 years.

Barto's analogy is a good one but it doesn't refer to how the new entity is destroying itself at a quicker rate than the previous one and only exists because of Centurion's greenpeaces generosity who have no problems saving this bastard animal but hasn't stepped forward to save some beautiful historical and important animals before!

Easily the mosy sensible post about this subject that has ever been on this forum.

My Dad sees PAMFC as the club he played two losing grand finals for in 1971 and 1972. Dave Boyd argues against the AFL bid and walked out of the board on principal. Many former players say they played for the Magpies not the Power.

They have been divided and conquered -

Power should accept that they will not be accepted by the SANFL supporter base at large until they break away from the stigma of the old magpies. If they were smart they would remove the 1870 rubbish from their jumper and replace it with 1996 - Call themselves Power only and stop the creed rubbish. OR they can push ahead as they are and contimue alienating the majority and watch their supporter base dwindle and their financial backing dry up without sympathy or tears from 8 (maybe 9 after their treatment of the maggies) SANFL clubs

Thats my rant and rave for the month

being called Power wouldn't be helping surely, personally if they had a decent name i'd be more likely to support them but power come seriously......

Yet the Port Adelaide Magpies may not die if another SANFL club goes first and they then are the recipient of increased SANFL revenue as a result.

If Port can hang on, it is on the cards that another club could indeed actually fall over in the mean time. Opposition supporters may not want to become to complacent and assume its only Port that have significant financial problems threatening the future of the club. They are by no means alone in that area and do have a larger supporter base to call on as they have done to keep the club going, other clubs may not have the same luxury should it be necessary.

Mark_Beswick wrote:My Dad sees PAMFC as the club he played two losing grand finals for in 1971 and 1972. Dave Boyd argues against the AFL bid and walked out of the board on principal. Many former players say they played for the Magpies not the Power.

They have been divided and conquered -

Power should accept that they will not be accepted by the SANFL supporter base at large until they break away from the stigma of the old magpies. If they were smart they would remove the 1870 rubbish from their jumper and replace it with 1996 - Call themselves Power only and stop the creed rubbish. OR they can push ahead as they are and contimue alienating the majority and watch their supporter base dwindle and their financial backing dry up without sympathy or tears from 8 (maybe 9 after their treatment of the maggies) SANFL clubs

Thats my rant and rave for the month

I've heard a couple of other former players agree with that position as well. So who is right? The blokes who wore the jumper or some fan boys on the internet?

I'd be interested to hear Russell Ebert's opinion on the quiet.

Someone once posted Port's club association number. If they're a different club, how can that be transferred from one football club to another?

I mean, can Sturt move to the Parade and call themselves Norwood and Norwood move to Unley and call themselves Sturt?

Barto wrote:

Mark_Beswick wrote:My Dad sees PAMFC as the club he played two losing grand finals for in 1971 and 1972. Dave Boyd argues against the AFL bid and walked out of the board on principal. Many former players say they played for the Magpies not the Power.

They have been divided and conquered -

Power should accept that they will not be accepted by the SANFL supporter base at large until they break away from the stigma of the old magpies. If they were smart they would remove the 1870 rubbish from their jumper and replace it with 1996 - Call themselves Power only and stop the creed rubbish. OR they can push ahead as they are and contimue alienating the majority and watch their supporter base dwindle and their financial backing dry up without sympathy or tears from 8 (maybe 9 after their treatment of the maggies) SANFL clubs

Thats my rant and rave for the month

I've heard a couple of other former players agree with that position as well. So who is right? The blokes who wore the jumper or some fan boys on the internet?

I'd be interested to hear Russell Ebert's opinion on the quiet.

Someone once posted Port's club association number. If they're a different club, how can that be transferred from one football club to another?

I mean, can Sturt move to the Parade and call themselves Norwood and Norwood move to Unley and call themselves Sturt?

Like C7 & C10?

Considering many of you dont seem to give a 5hit about our history, you spend alot of time giving a 5hit.

Booney wrote:Considering many of you dont seem to give a 5hit about our history, you spend alot of time giving a 5hit.

I care quite a bit about the history of all SANFL clubs and have read several books about most clubs (including those on the Williams dynasty and the Gentleman Jack book)and looking at several topics in the History Forum of this site I'd say there was many people like me. Apologies if this somehow upsets you.

It doesn't upset me at all. I just find it ammusing that we, the supporters of Port Adelaide have come to grips with what has happened and where the history lies but supporters of every other club ( in the SANFL ) have been unable or are unwilling to just move forward.