FULLER OUT !!!

[LPH]

It will come as no surprise to many of you on here that I am posting this topic.

IMHO Ronnie has 'lost' the players.
They do NOT appear to be 'playing for him' anymore as the so called 'game plan' appears to be somewhat flawed @ present & our results have been inconsistent to say the very least, in fact they are bordering on appauling.

I believe this has a direct correlation to the statement in 2006 "Whatever happens this season is my last" & feel the players have become 'stale' in hearing the same old message & their motivation levels (also for many of them, probably as a result of the long desired Flag of 2006) are @ an all time low @ present.

Regardless of the result v Westies, the season is gone & Finals are out of the question (look at our draw & you will relize we are 'pushing the proverbial up hill) & anyway, finishing between 4th & 7th is virtually the same thing, IMHO - a wasted season/year.

The club is now facing a VERY difficult 'transistion' & dare I say it 'rebuilding' stage in its short history over the next 3 to 5 years. The time is upon the club to show STRENGTH & move in a different direction both on & off the field, IMO.

Starting with the coaching set up but more importantly looking at the LONG TERM needs of the club, with particular reference to its supporter base & community. When I go to games (& due to circumstances, I must admit that has been somewhat of a rarity, this year) I am RATHER concerned @ the 'average age' of our supporter base.

WWTFC appears to have a large % of 'elderly' supporters. This is concerning, re: the long term future of the club. Perhaps CD or Spelly can help with the actual MEMBERSHIP %'s of below 30's & above 50's.

Over-reaction?
Any thoughts?

[sturtpeter]

No comment.

Ronny's a top bloke.

[southee]

Dont see a problem.

All sides have up and downs. Ron's record is very good.

The Eagles will be back.....relax mate!!!

[smithy]

At least Ronnie is willing to fork out the massive $20/month to get internet access at home.

[Dog_ger]

And he pays for his own mobile phone account out of his own pocket

[holden78]

And he pays for his own mobile phone account out of his own pocket

So do most of us

[Mickyj]

So I dont have to repost what I have already posted in another topic .
Quote Micky J
AKA Vladimir Lenin to posts by CD and others
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Yes many fans have declined since part way through 07/08 .But us faithful ones are still attending games .And yes like stated at Prospect many of us feel like storming the Bastille .We as in members(I AM) or fans/supporters need a sign from the WWTFC whether on or off field that things are improving or about to improve .
Due to other reasons I do not "GO BACK" to the club after the game.For the President to come out and say what has been reported on SAFOOTY is falling on my deaf ears .I am not the problem there are problems at the club and as a member I want action taken ASAP to turn the club around !!!
WE are not members of West Adelaide or South Adelaide (not meaning to demean either ) and will not accept being bottom.We are members of the WOODVILLE WEST TORRENS FOOTBALL CLUB.And we do not like what is happening at our club at present change it or face what will happen .
Whether its storming the Bastille or me doing a Vladimir Lenin and getting the members fired up .A change is needed .So WWTFC do it NOW!!!!

Micky J
AKA Vladimir Lenin
A passionate one eyed WWTFC supporter .
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And from Holden 78 and i think he will be ok with it


Well done to CD on having the members in mind in regards to his input on this forum . But my main point lads is Fullers support is very thin from the players , members & fans . Lets just deal in facts then . Firstly , the players havent produced anywhere near what the club ( Board & Supporters ) exspect in the last 2 years . Secondly , in that time the recruiting has been " C " grade . Third , talking to fans & members during the week & at games , theres a hell of a lot of disenchantment in regards to Fuller , gamestyle , recruits ( either not good enough , not being signed by us or leaving altogether ! ) and a lack of planning after the 06 flag . Now with FACTS please feel free to debate to the contrary or maybe agree ? Either way these ARE facts & Ron obviously after 8 years + 2 or 3 with U17s , is well under the pump ! The real rubbing point for most of us fans is the pace of our slip down . Other clubs see it as natural for a club like us . Well Im in the trenches with Mickyj all the --cking way on this one ; I dont want it , I dont accept it & Im not putting up with it !
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Does that answer your question LEH.

[bayman]

i don't believe this, with the amount of class players that have retired & some class players being out injured for a fair part of the season obviously you'll struggle with depth & consistency with younger inexperienced players lining up but it does give them experience, furthermore no side will be up near the top forever (not even central) as it all turns in a circle & i bet any team would be happy to have a record as good as the eagles over a sustained period & lets face it in any other era they would have won a couple of more flags & had they not run into a team that was a class above the rest it could be ron sitting on 3 or 4 flags & what would you say then ?

[Mickyj]

i don't believe this, with the amount of class players that have retired & some class players being out injured for a fair part of the season obviously you'll struggle with depth & consistency with younger inexperienced players lining up but it does give them experience, furthermore no side will be up near the top forever (not even central) as it all turns in a circle & i bet any team would be happy to have a record as good as the eagles over a sustained period & lets face it in any other era they would have won a couple of more flags & had they not run into a team that was a class above the rest it could be ron sitting on 3 or 4 flags & what would you say then ?

All I can say is the club seems to have gone down the same road that it once did under Bruce Winter .He won the club a flag and then years latter the players lost interest etc etc.
I wont the slide to stop NOW Bayman not next year not in 2 years right NOW.There are enough good players in the seconds and league to keep winning games .Go back to the Centrals game what has changed in a few weeks .The club has reverted back to one game plan and if that doesn't or stops working oh well there's always next week.
NO NO NO NO!!! Not good enough the slide stops NOW .
Ron is going to coach against West the club better win by a very large margin thats all I will say or ask!!

[hawkseye]

1st bad season for a while. Its very easy and harsh to be pointing the finger already.

[JamesH]

people have short memories.... we were a laughing stock after four GF defeats ..... Ron took us to the top... most coaches cant bounce back from what he went through

I would be an extremely angry member if the club pushed him out

Besides there a few options to replace him.......

[DOC]

Do what Woodville and West Torrens did. Give up.

[Sojourner]

Irrespective of whether or not the coach should have the sack, I would suggest that a reason to sack any coach being that he has "lost the support of the players" is a very dangerous precedent to set in any football club.

What can happen and although it may not in every case, is that the next coach then inherits a playing group where the players call the shots and that is completley inappropriate in any case whatsoever.

Suppose WWT do go and sack Ron Fuller because he has lost the support of the players, what happens next year when the coach tells a senior player to go wash his car for turning up late to training? Does the player do that or tell the coach to go firetruck himself?

The best coach South had IMO was ex Woodville John Reid, who was eventually sacked from South for much the same reason as is being touted for Ron Fuller to be given the sack. It is the opinion of a number of South members in retrospect, that doing this has caused the problems that we have today were several coaches have been sacked for "losing the support of the players" and the club has reguarly taken its place at the bottom of the ladder as a result.

I think that even if WWT finish outside of the eight that it is premature to give Ron the sack. Perhaps the better option might be for some of the members of the club to stand together and tell the club that they would like the club to engage Kevin Morris to undertake a full review of the club whilst the season is in progress so that a no holds barred report can be given to the members and board of the club.

If Ron really does not have the support of the players then get rid of the hearsay about it and have Kevin Morris put it to print as it was done in the case of Robert Pyman from South. Get Kevins thoughts on what he thinks on the clubs recruiting and if it really is a case of Ron Fuller having to much influence in that area.

The report does two things, one is that it will dispel all the stuff about the coaching position, the second advantage is that it will spell out to all the members and supporters what they really need to do in order to take part in the revivial of the club back into the five and into the finals.

No doubt people are really upset at seeing the club finish outside of the five, yet do something positive like a review process of the club and motivate the members to put their energies into stuff that will be positive for the whole club - lets face it, do you in 15 years time want to be where South are now?

[Mickyj]

Do what Woodville and West Torrens did. Give up.

Doc you support who ?

[Mickyj]

Irrespective of whether or not the coach should have the sack, I would suggest that a reason to sack any coach being that he has "lost the support of the players" is a very dangerous precedent to set in any football club.

What can happen and although it may not in every case, is that the next coach then inherits a playing group where the players call the shots and that is completley inappropriate in any case whatsoever.

Suppose WWT do go and sack Ron Fuller because he has lost the support of the players, what happens next year when the coach tells a senior player to go wash his car for turning up late to training? Does the player do that or tell the coach to go firetruck himself?

The best coach South had IMO was ex Woodville John Reid, who was eventually sacked from South for much the same reason as is being touted for Ron Fuller to be given the sack. It is the opinion of a number of South members in retrospect, that doing this has caused the problems that we have today were several coaches have been sacked for "losing the support of the players" and the club has reguarly taken its place at the bottom of the ladder as a result.

I think that even if WWT finish outside of the eight that it is premature to give Ron the sack. Perhaps the better option might be for some of the members of the club to stand together and tell the club that they would like the club to engage Kevin Morris to undertake a full review of the club whilst the season is in progress so that a no holds barred report can be given to the members and board of the club.

If Ron really does not have the support of the players then get rid of the hearsay about it and have Kevin Morris put it to print as it was done in the case of Robert Pyman from South. Get Kevins thoughts on what he thinks on the clubs recruiting and if it really is a case of Ron Fuller having to much influence in that area.

The report does two things, one is that it will dispel all the stuff about the coaching position, the second advantage is that it will spell out to all the members and supporters what they really need to do in order to take part in the revivial of the club back into the five and into the finals.

No doubt people are really upset at seeing the club finish outside of the five, yet do something positive like a review process of the club and motivate the members to put their energies into stuff that will be positive for the whole club - lets face it, do you in 15 years time want to be where South are now?

I would think he would be gone at the end of 2008 IMHO.
Then again another shocking loss but against Westies he may be gone sooner !!
And lets not forget WWT are not the only club having problems there were whispers from another teams fans in the grandstand Saturday.They were whispering WE ARE YELLING !!!
NO offence to those other teams fans either .

[Wedgie]

If a coach has only lost a few players then it shouldn't be about a coach, if a coach has lost most players then it is about a coach.
I think the Eagles supporters would have the most information about what's happening down at Oval Avenue and therefore I respect their opinion on what should or should not be happening down there and they have every right to express that opinion, that's a big part of what these sites are about.
I respect that a hell of a lot more than the supporters who are always happy to blindly follow coaches or boards whilst their club go nowhere most of the time.

[Dog_ger]

I think the Eagles supporters would have the most information about what's happening down at Oval Avenue and therefore I respect their opinion on what should or should not be happening down there

Oh dear.....

I think the Board would know more than the supporters...?

[Wedgie]

I think the Eagles supporters would have the most information about what's happening down at Oval Avenue and therefore I respect their opinion on what should or should not be happening down there

Oh dear.....

I think the Board wouls know more than the supporters...?

They might know more but they can't say as much, for obvious reasons and a lot of the supporters will be aware of what the board are, maybe some supporters close to players might be aware of even more. Either way Dog_ger its guesswork but I'd be very confident they'd know more than you about the situation.
Im not sure exactly how much they know, that's irrelevent. People who know less telling what they should and shouldn't say is what I have an issue with. I know they know more than me about the Eagles situation so Im not going to kick them in the guts, I applaud them for making some noise about something they feel passionate about instead of just blindly following a club.
I have more respect for Eagles supporters at the moment moreso than I have at anytime in the past.
Good on them for being passioonate about not becoming a mediocre club I say! Well done Eagles fans!

[Mickyj]

I think the Eagles supporters would have the most information about what's happening down at Oval Avenue and therefore I respect their opinion on what should or should not be happening down there

Oh dear.....

I think the Board would know more than the supporters...?

If I could just get to talk some of those board guys (not Cd he knows)then they would be well aware that the troops are not happy.
And yes i know one should be careful what one wishes for.
And I learnt after 14 yrs working quietly away at my job .That no one pays attention to the quiet guy who does his job well.Once I stuck my hand and head up and kept asking the right questions I got noticed!!
If this means yelling at my clubs board then i will do that.
Pretty sure holden78 LEH and many who stand in the outer at oval ave or sit in the stands will join in with me!!!
Why do I keep hearing the theme from that french musical in my head?

cheers

[TigerBoss]

Anyone that reakons Fuller is not the right man to coach the Iggles is Fuller shite.