AFL Reserves Discussion...

[Reddeer]

I mentioned before what is going to happen. The AFL will dangle a carrot that is impossible to reject that enables both Port and Crows into the League Comp as normal competitors. Despite all the current objections and hype by those clubs dead against it the money will roll them over. You can bet your bottom on dollar it. The SANFL will rebadged as the SAAFL

It will only happen if enough people have your defeatist attitude Reddeer.

Luckily we have
- MANY very strong arguments against why it should happen
- MANY passionate people (including journalists and club presidents) who are strongly against it

So as long as the campaign against the move is co-ordinated well and we all make our feelings known to our SANFL clubs, then I am confident we can win the war!

I am as passionately and completely against any AFL involvement in SANFL as anyone else on this forum. Most clubs can see nothing wrong with the existing arrangements.
Just the Crows now wanting it all their way. It is just that I'm afraid that individuals in far higher places and in areas of influence than most of us can aspire to do not see it the way of the Hoy Poloy

[The Sleeping Giant]

Kill off the magpies. It's the most humane thing to do.

Bullshit... Kill 'The Power' instead - THEY are the drain on the owners of their license.

Won't happen. Be realistic.

[kickinit]

Call it blind faith, whatever, but I can see a Magpies sans AFL listed players at league level, reserves with AFL listed players ( at most 10-14 ) and U18's.

That would leave purely 10-14 spots in the reserves for AFL listed players.

They would train with the PAFC AFL during the week, as full time footballers, the remainder do the 2-3 sessions with the Magpies.

No doubt the league side would struggle, but its better than the alternative....

For me, from an SANFL point of view (and as concerning although not touched on as much during this Port bashing ) is where will Adelaide source, well, up to 15 players from?

The under 18's have to go.
One of Port's arguments for a reserves side is that everyone else has got one so we should aswell.
Using that logic, no other AFL side has u18's, u16's or zones so Port shouldn't either.
The SANFL clubs should be demanding that one of the conditions of entering a reserves side is for the underage teams to be removed from the comp

So you would be happy to see 100 kids miss out on playing footy? especially when having jnr sides gives the power no advantage because of the national draft.

[rod_rooster]

Call it blind faith, whatever, but I can see a Magpies sans AFL listed players at league level, reserves with AFL listed players ( at most 10-14 ) and U18's.

That would leave purely 10-14 spots in the reserves for AFL listed players.

They would train with the PAFC AFL during the week, as full time footballers, the remainder do the 2-3 sessions with the Magpies.

No doubt the league side would struggle, but its better than the alternative....

For me, from an SANFL point of view (and as concerning although not touched on as much during this Port bashing ) is where will Adelaide source, well, up to 15 players from?

The under 18's have to go.
One of Port's arguments for a reserves side is that everyone else has got one so we should aswell.
Using that logic, no other AFL side has u18's, u16's or zones so Port shouldn't either.
The SANFL clubs should be demanding that one of the conditions of entering a reserves side is for the underage teams to be removed from the comp

So you would be happy to see 100 kids miss out on playing footy? especially when having jnr sides gives the power no advantage because of the national draft.

How would 100 kids miss out on playing footy? What is happening to all the clubs and competitions they could get a game in other than the SANFL?

[Jim05]

Call it blind faith, whatever, but I can see a Magpies sans AFL listed players at league level, reserves with AFL listed players ( at most 10-14 ) and U18's.

That would leave purely 10-14 spots in the reserves for AFL listed players.

They would train with the PAFC AFL during the week, as full time footballers, the remainder do the 2-3 sessions with the Magpies.

No doubt the league side would struggle, but its better than the alternative....

For me, from an SANFL point of view (and as concerning although not touched on as much during this Port bashing ) is where will Adelaide source, well, up to 15 players from?

The under 18's have to go.
One of Port's arguments for a reserves side is that everyone else has got one so we should aswell.
Using that logic, no other AFL side has u18's, u16's or zones so Port shouldn't either.
Im also sure some clubs could do with the extra zone allocation
The SANFL clubs should be demanding that one of the conditions of entering a reserves side is for the underage teams to be removed from the comp

So you would be happy to see 100 kids miss out on playing footy? especially when having jnr sides gives the power no advantage because of the national draft.

Cant have your cake and eat it aswell.
Yes some kids may miss it but it might make the u18's a stronger comp. They would get allocated to other clubs that currently have kids not up to standard. Im sure Centrals and South would gladly take some of them.

[zipzap]

Interesting but probably not all that surprising that aflsa.com and aflsa.com.au are registered - hope it was a smart cookie on these boards

[on the rails]

Kickinit give up! Why can't you see past your selfish wants! Do you think the other 8 SANFL Clubs are going to give the Magpies an unfair advantage for starters by voting to make them stronger with allowing AFL players into a "Magpie / Power" League Team as well as allowing you to also keep Reserves / 18's and 16's to ensure your top up list has the cream of who you want and under that model be more attractive to interstate recruits seeing the PAFC as better option to advance to the AFL.

As AM Bays, myself and other have pointed out, the Crows will not have that option so you could hardly see them sit by and give the PAFC an advantage let alone "our" SANFL Clubs.

[kickinit]

Call it blind faith, whatever, but I can see a Magpies sans AFL listed players at league level, reserves with AFL listed players ( at most 10-14 ) and U18's.

That would leave purely 10-14 spots in the reserves for AFL listed players.

They would train with the PAFC AFL during the week, as full time footballers, the remainder do the 2-3 sessions with the Magpies.

No doubt the league side would struggle, but its better than the alternative....

For me, from an SANFL point of view (and as concerning although not touched on as much during this Port bashing ) is where will Adelaide source, well, up to 15 players from?

The under 18's have to go.
One of Port's arguments for a reserves side is that everyone else has got one so we should aswell.
Using that logic, no other AFL side has u18's, u16's or zones so Port shouldn't either.
Im also sure some clubs could do with the extra zone allocation
The SANFL clubs should be demanding that one of the conditions of entering a reserves side is for the underage teams to be removed from the comp

So you would be happy to see 100 kids miss out on playing footy? especially when having jnr sides gives the power no advantage because of the national draft.

Cant have your cake and eat it aswell.
Yes some kids may miss it but it might make the u18's a stronger comp. They would get allocated to other clubs that currently have kids not up to standard. Im sure Centrals and South would gladly take some of them.

what are we to gain from having jnr sides? nothing, seems pretty pathetic to take a opportunity away from kids because of your own selfish wants.

[kickinit]

Kickinit give up! Why can't you see past your selfish wants! Do you think the other 8 SANFL Clubs are going to give the Magpies an unfair advantage for starters by voting to make them stronger with allowing AFL players into a "Magpie / Power" League Team as well as allowing you to also keep Reserves / 18's and 16's to ensure your top up list has the cream of who you want and under that model be more attractive to interstate recruits seeing the PAFC as better option to advance to the AFL.

As AM Bays, myself and other have pointed out, the Crows will not have that option so you could hardly see them sit by and give the PAFC an advantage let alone "our" SANFL Clubs.

thats ok take our u18's and then for those top up players we will just take your u18's. that would actually be good you develop them for us and we just take them off you.

[on the rails]

You really don't have a clue do you kickinit?

[Jim05]

Kickinit give up! Why can't you see past your selfish wants! Do you think the other 8 SANFL Clubs are going to give the Magpies an unfair advantage for starters by voting to make them stronger with allowing AFL players into a "Magpie / Power" League Team as well as allowing you to also keep Reserves / 18's and 16's to ensure your top up list has the cream of who you want and under that model be more attractive to interstate recruits seeing the PAFC as better option to advance to the AFL.

As AM Bays, myself and other have pointed out, the Crows will not have that option so you could hardly see them sit by and give the PAFC an advantage let alone "our" SANFL Clubs.

thats ok take our u18's and then for those top up players we will just take your u18's. that would actually be good you develop them for us and we just take them off you.

Cant see that happening either. I would think that Port and the Crows will have a ban on them taking any player from a SANFL list.
Who knows where your top up players will come from

[hereselmo1]

Kickinit give up! Why can't you see past your selfish wants! Do you think the other 8 SANFL Clubs are going to give the Magpies an unfair advantage for starters by voting to make them stronger with allowing AFL players into a "Magpie / Power" League Team as well as allowing you to also keep Reserves / 18's and 16's to ensure your top up list has the cream of who you want and under that model be more attractive to interstate recruits seeing the PAFC as better option to advance to the AFL.

As AM Bays, myself and other have pointed out, the Crows will not have that option so you could hardly see them sit by and give the PAFC an advantage let alone "our" SANFL Clubs.

What advantage exactly will the PAFC have over the Crows in this scenario?

[am Bays]

Kickinit give up! Why can't you see past your selfish wants! Do you think the other 8 SANFL Clubs are going to give the Magpies an unfair advantage for starters by voting to make them stronger with allowing AFL players into a "Magpie / Power" League Team as well as allowing you to also keep Reserves / 18's and 16's to ensure your top up list has the cream of who you want and under that model be more attractive to interstate recruits seeing the PAFC as better option to advance to the AFL.

As AM Bays, myself and other have pointed out, the Crows will not have that option so you could hardly see them sit by and give the PAFC an advantage let alone "our" SANFL Clubs.

What advantage exactly will the PAFC have over the Crows in this scenario?

Guaranteed source of players to fill a reserves side with when injuries strike and players need to be rested.

[beenreal]

Call it blind faith, whatever, but I can see a Magpies sans AFL listed players at league level, reserves with AFL listed players ( at most 10-14 ) and U18's.

That would leave purely 10-14 spots in the reserves for AFL listed players.

They would train with the PAFC AFL during the week, as full time footballers, the remainder do the 2-3 sessions with the Magpies.

No doubt the league side would struggle, but its better than the alternative....

For me, from an SANFL point of view (and as concerning although not touched on as much during this Port bashing ) is where will Adelaide source, well, up to 15 players from?

The under 18's have to go.
One of Port's arguments for a reserves side is that everyone else has got one so we should aswell.
Using that logic, no other AFL side has u18's, u16's or zones so Port shouldn't either.
Im also sure some clubs could do with the extra zone allocation
The SANFL clubs should be demanding that one of the conditions of entering a reserves side is for the underage teams to be removed from the comp

So you would be happy to see 100 kids miss out on playing footy? especially when having jnr sides gives the power no advantage because of the national draft.

Cant have your cake and eat it aswell.
Yes some kids may miss it but it might make the u18's a stronger comp. They would get allocated to other clubs that currently have kids not up to standard. Im sure Centrals and South would gladly take some of them.

If not for eating, what's the point of having cake?

The Ostrich-like opinions of a few SA Footy NIMBYs matters little in the grand scheme, so I'll be waiting in breathless anticipation for the PAFC to retain the structure to develop its own players from SANFL Juniors through to AFL, so I can sit back and watch us kick you lot from @rsehole to breakfast in eternal retribution for the Ethelton Exile.

[on the rails]

You call us NIMBY'S beenreal? What you want and what you end up getting will be poles apart! Be thankful that the SANFL will allow you to keep the Prison Bars and the B&W jumper! If it was up to me they would be buried as well!

[heater31]

The other 8 remaining stand alone clubs are already fighting over who gets the Port Adelaide Magpies zones.

Absolutely no way that Port will be allowed to keep them under any circumstances


Don't think Andy D and his cronies would be overly impressed with PAFC keeping recruiting zones and underage sides. Open to draft tampering and we know what happened to the other club on West Lakes Boulevard....

[beenreal]

The other 8 remaining stand alone clubs are already fighting over who gets the Port Adelaide Magpies zones.

Absolutely no way that Port will be allowed to keep them under any circumstances


Don't think Andy D and his cronies would be overly impressed with PAFC keeping recruiting zones and underage sides. Open to draft tampering and we know what happened to the other club on West Lakes Boulevard....

This is where you and others are completely misreading the situation. It's not an AFL issue. They've already approved the Port Adelaide structure under the One Club merger. The stronger Port Adelaide get on their own, the less $$ the AFL has to pump in.

Scream injustice all you want. The PAFC will get its way because the SANFL needs the $$$

[whufc]

The other 8 remaining stand alone clubs are already fighting over who gets the Port Adelaide Magpies zones.

Absolutely no way that Port will be allowed to keep them under any circumstances


Don't think Andy D and his cronies would be overly impressed with PAFC keeping recruiting zones and underage sides. Open to draft tampering and we know what happened to the other club on West Lakes Boulevard....

This is where you and others are completely misreading the situation. It's not an AFL issue. They've already approved the Port Adelaide structure under the One Club merger. The stronger Port Adelaide get on their own, the less $$ the AFL has to pump in.

Scream injustice all you want. The PAFC will get its way because the SANFL needs the $$$

That's where ur wrong only two clubs really need the money unfortunately for port you need six votes

[heater31]

The other 8 remaining stand alone clubs are already fighting over who gets the Port Adelaide Magpies zones.

Absolutely no way that Port will be allowed to keep them under any circumstances


Don't think Andy D and his cronies would be overly impressed with PAFC keeping recruiting zones and underage sides. Open to draft tampering and we know what happened to the other club on West Lakes Boulevard....

This is where you and others are completely misreading the situation. It's not an AFL issue. They've already approved the Port Adelaide structure under the One Club merger. The stronger Port Adelaide get on their own, the less $$ the AFL has to pump in.

Scream injustice all you want. The PAFC will get its way because the SANFL needs the $$$

The One Club is not actually working how the AFL originally approved it either.

[dedja]

Remember VHS and Beta?

Guess which one Port is ...