Port Cash Crisis = ? for SANFL Clubs and Comp?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Getting a 4 Mill bail out from the SANFL then spending 25% of it on paying out a coach for 2011 and contributing money to a project to extend their already excellent facilities at Alberton well I raise an eyebrow at those.

So what your saying am Bays is they basically pissed it up the wall?

[CUTTERMAN]

I'm no where near convinced that moving to AO is really going to benefit either club that much in the long term, especially for PAFC, sure there'll be the novelty factor for the first 3-5 years and then it'll be back to the status quo. As I've mentioned before, the AFL honeymoon is over in SA, partly due to the AFL not understanding the SA market and mainly due to the Victorian-centric operation of the whole competition. This "competition" has become more and more of a farce over the last 10 years, first it was the MCG contract concerning finals, then the father-son rules, manipulation of the draw, timeslots favouring the large Victorian clubs, constant idiotic fiddling with the rules, double speak from the AFL and now the over looking of extra player payments coming from a BLOODY CLUB PRESIDENT, etc etc.

And we're expected to take this seriously?

[The Sleeping Giant]

You don't always have to pay big bucks to get good results or coaches. I'm sure Alistair Clarkson wouldn't have cost Hawthorn much at the time (one example).

Clarkson was untried at AFL level. Chocco had taken them to 2 GFs and a premiership. A proven coach will cost double.

[Squawk]

I'm no where near convinced that moving to AO is really going to benefit either club that much in the long term, especially for PAFC, sure there'll be the novelty factor for the first 3-5 years and then it'll be back to the status quo. As I've mentioned before, the AFL honeymoon is over in SA, partly due to the AFL not understanding the SA market and mainly due to the Victorian-centric operation of the whole competition. This "competition" has become more and more of a farce over the last 10 years, first it was the MCG contract concerning finals, then the father-son rules, manipulation of the draw, timeslots favouring the large Victorian clubs, constant idiotic fiddling with the rules, double speak from the AFL and now the over looking of extra player payments coming from a BLOODY CLUB PRESIDENT, etc etc.

And we're expected to take this seriously?

Can you please explain the bold line above? Thanks.

Otherwise,

[the milky bar kid]

I'm no where near convinced that moving to AO is really going to benefit either club that much in the long term, especially for PAFC, sure there'll be the novelty factor for the first 3-5 years and then it'll be back to the status quo. As I've mentioned before, the AFL honeymoon is over in SA, partly due to the AFL not understanding the SA market and mainly due to the Victorian-centric operation of the whole competition. This "competition" has become more and more of a farce over the last 10 years, first it was the MCG contract concerning finals, then the father-son rules, manipulation of the draw, timeslots favouring the large Victorian clubs, constant idiotic fiddling with the rules, double speak from the AFL and now the over looking of extra player payments coming from a BLOODY CLUB PRESIDENT, etc etc.

And we're expected to take this seriously?

Can you please explain the bold line above? Thanks.

Otherwise,

Judd is a hard working VISY employee!

[CUTTERMAN]

Pratt ( head/owner/CEO/Pres/God) of Visy was fundamental in getting Judd to Carlton as they could offer him an extra million outside the AFL salary cap, a salary cap that is meant to be separate from any club involvement......didn't matter that Pratt was President of Carlton and Visy. IMO the AFL overlooked the ties as it would lead to an increase in Carltons attendance and attendance in Victoria.

[CUTTERMAN]

My main point of the extra player payments (EPP's) is that it will allow clubs with wealthy benefactors to bypass the salary cap altogether, as this will be connected to large companies/corporations it will probably benefit clubs that are in states that have such infrastructure. They've opened Pandoras Box here. (cue Centurion)

[mal]

As predicted the AFL has bailed Port Power out with what is believed to be a 2 million dollar transfusion

Does this mean the other 16 clubs get 2 million as well ....

[The Apostle]

I'm no where near convinced that moving to AO is really going to benefit either club that much in the long term, especially for PAFC, sure there'll be the novelty factor for the first 3-5 years and then it'll be back to the status quo. As I've mentioned before, the AFL honeymoon is over in SA, partly due to the AFL not understanding the SA market and mainly due to the Victorian-centric operation of the whole competition. This "competition" has become more and more of a farce over the last 10 years, first it was the MCG contract concerning finals, then the father-son rules, manipulation of the draw, timeslots favouring the large Victorian clubs, constant idiotic fiddling with the rules, double speak from the AFL and now the over looking of extra player payments coming from a BLOODY CLUB PRESIDENT, etc etc.

And we're expected to take this seriously?

[The Sleeping Giant]

As predicted the AFL has bailed Port Power out with what is believed to be a 2 million dollar transfusion

Does this mean the other 16 clubs get 2 million as well ....

Port aren't the first to get a hand out, and won't be the last.

[sjt]

You don't always have to pay big bucks to get good results or coaches. I'm sure Alistair Clarkson wouldn't have cost Hawthorn much at the time (one example).

Clarkson was untried at AFL level. Chocco had taken them to 2 GFs and a premiership. A proven coach will cost double.

Ah , okay thanks for that, I never knew.

[The Sleeping Giant]

No problem. That's usually why a coach comes cheap.

[Dutchy]

Duncanson on 5AA now....."Its a great day for the Port Adelaide football club......"

Yes, wonderful Brett

And didnt know why the 4 Directors resigned today, hang on arent you the President?

How any Port member could have faith in this club after they go from one disaster to another and arent honest with them has got me beat...

[PhilH]

Oh Boy ...

The most alarming thing out of this for mine is that the SANFL is $27mil in debt and there is no option for further lending.
Whilst West Lakes redevelopment may be a long term cash solution for the SANFL it wont be that for some years yet.

This means fundamentally that control of SA football (and by SA football I mean the 274 clubs, 85,000 particpants) will pass from the SANFL to the organisation that has the money, the AFL.

I am sure that there will be Port Adelaide based at Alberton playing most if not all of its home games in Adelaide for the next five years. This is not a Fitzroy situation, where there was another club waiting in the wings to take over to keep numbers up for TV commitments.

I am also sure that the AFL believes that 2 AFL Teams in Adelaide is very workable under the "right circumstances".

And it will be the AFL that will start to dictate those " right circumstances" which will be based around more of the SA Football pie being given to the two AFL clubs and less to the SANFL, SANFL clubs, suburban and community football.

Throw in the possible gaming changes at a Federal level and the SANFL clubs are going to find two of their three major cash drivers severley reduced. The ramifications of that will be substancial.

ENJOY the SANFL this year, I fear a decline is on the way.

[sjt]

No problem. That's usually why a coach comes cheap.

Oh okay, like Williams when he started, bomber Thompson, Harvey, clarkson, hardwick, the Scott brothers, primus, voss, Craig, etc etc

[Pseudo]

This comment by El Supremo himself raises more questions that I'm not sure I'm keen to hear the answers for, from a SANFL competition's (and club's) perspective...


http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-football-club-runs-out-of-cash-sanfl-may-take-over/story-e6freco3-1226066003365

"We want to assure the members and supporters of the Port Adelaide Football Club that the AFL is committed to the long-term future of the club, and will continue to closely work with both the club and the SANFL to identify what further steps need to be taken to ensure the club's health off the field, and to enable them to compete strongly in the most challenging sporting stage in Australia," Demetriou said.

reduced SANFL dividends, reduced salary cap....??? AFL SA?

And the more steps taken by the SANFL and Port Power to alleviate the problem, the more money left over with which this porcine individual can swell his bonus. Oink, oink, oink.

[Pseudo]

I'm no where near convinced that moving to AO is really going to benefit either club that much in the long term, especially for PAFC, sure there'll be the novelty factor for the first 3-5 years and then it'll be back to the status quo. As I've mentioned before, the AFL honeymoon is over in SA, partly due to the AFL not understanding the SA market and mainly due to the Victorian-centric operation of the whole competition. This "competition" has become more and more of a farce over the last 10 years, first it was the MCG contract concerning finals, then the father-son rules, manipulation of the draw, timeslots favouring the large Victorian clubs, constant idiotic fiddling with the rules, double speak from the AFL and now the over looking of extra player payments coming from a BLOODY CLUB PRESIDENT, etc etc.

And we're expected to take this seriously?

What he said.

I've never understood why so many people - including many enlightened members of This August Forum, who should know better - support that dodgy excuse for a football league in the first place.

[Pseudo]

Oh Boy ...

The most alarming thing out of this for mine is that the SANFL is $27mil in debt and there is no option for further lending.
Whilst West Lakes redevelopment may be a long term cash solution for the SANFL it wont be that for some years yet.

This means fundamentally that control of SA football (and by SA football I mean the 274 clubs, 85,000 particpants) will pass from the SANFL to the organisation that has the money, the AFL.

I am sure that there will be Port Adelaide based at Alberton playing most if not all of its home games in Adelaide for the next five years. This is not a Fitzroy situation, where there was another club waiting in the wings to take over to keep numbers up for TV commitments.

I am also sure that the AFL believes that 2 AFL Teams in Adelaide is very workable under the "right circumstances".

And it will be the AFL that will start to dictate those " right circumstances" which will be based around more of the SA Football pie being given to the two AFL clubs and less to the SANFL, SANFL clubs, suburban and community football.

Throw in the possible gaming changes at a Federal level and the SANFL clubs are going to find two of their three major cash drivers severley reduced. The ramifications of that will be substancial.

ENJOY the SANFL this year, I fear a decline is on the way.

What Phil said, too.

The point at which the SANFL competition ceases to be a sovereign competition in its own right - and becomes completely an instrument of the AFL - is the point at which I will turn my back on the sport.

[Mr Irate]

Oh Boy ...

The most alarming thing out of this for mine is that the SANFL is $27mil in debt and there is no option for further lending.
Whilst West Lakes redevelopment may be a long term cash solution for the SANFL it wont be that for some years yet.

This means fundamentally that control of SA football (and by SA football I mean the 274 clubs, 85,000 particpants) will pass from the SANFL to the organisation that has the money, the AFL.

I am sure that there will be Port Adelaide based at Alberton playing most if not all of its home games in Adelaide for the next five years. This is not a Fitzroy situation, where there was another club waiting in the wings to take over to keep numbers up for TV commitments.

I am also sure that the AFL believes that 2 AFL Teams in Adelaide is very workable under the "right circumstances".

And it will be the AFL that will start to dictate those " right circumstances" which will be based around more of the SA Football pie being given to the two AFL clubs and less to the SANFL, SANFL clubs, suburban and community football.

Throw in the possible gaming changes at a Federal level and the SANFL clubs are going to find two of their three major cash drivers severley reduced. The ramifications of that will be substancial.

ENJOY the SANFL this year, I fear a decline is on the way.

....the right circumstances may involve the removal of a $1mil wart....

[Dirko]

Pratt ( head/owner/CEO/Pres/God) of Visy was fundamental in getting Judd to Carlton as they could offer him an extra million outside the AFL salary cap, a salary cap that is meant to be separate from any club involvement......didn't matter that Pratt was President of Carlton and Visy. IMO the AFL overlooked the ties as it would lead to an increase in Carltons attendance and attendance in Victoria.

LMAO, and Judd is the only bloke in the history of the game not to get outside payments....