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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:27 pm

Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


Neither of those clubs stabbed the rest of the comp in the back, so the answer is no.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Apachebulldog » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:32 pm

Its gonna be tuff Maggie supporters, Port Adelaide has a split disgruntled camp there are those who follow the Maggies and those who follow the Power, in hindsight back in 1996/97 the club should of all gone over to the AFL lock ,stock and barrel
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Booney » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:44 pm

Barto wrote:
Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


Neither of those clubs stabbed the rest of the comp in the back, so the answer is no.


So it's a decision based on how bitter people are and not what is best for the competition and its future?
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:53 pm

Booney wrote:
Barto wrote:
Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


Neither of those clubs stabbed the rest of the comp in the back, so the answer is no.


So it's a decision based on how bitter people are and not what is best for the competition and its future?


If you're the North Adelaide board, yes.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby UK Fan » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:09 pm

Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


If the only way for West and South to survive was to merge with an AFL club. Whilst receiving advantages not accessible to any other of the surviving SANFL clubs. Yes I would be opposed and so would you Mr Boon.

I doubt this ridiculous notion of it was the SANFL fault they become insolvent would even be thought about . Yet alone believed like for some other club.

How about instead of you Port fans keep trying this lame guilt trip and blaming everyone else. You get together and list for me the huge advantages faced to the CDFC by the proposed merger in $$$ for the season 2010. List for me how our club(s) will be better off by agreeing to this proposal. Cos that would be a good way to get me and some of the others onside.

Ill be reasonable. if you can list all the advantages in $$$$ for the CDFC and they out weigh the disadvantages faced to our club. Then it makes good business sense to support your deal. Cos Ill be honest at this stage I cant see any.

Until then please give up this "your just picking on us cos we are Port" theory. Every club would ask this for any merger proposal IMHO.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby beenreal » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:33 pm

UK Fan wrote:
Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


If the only way for West and South to survive was to merge with an AFL club. Whilst receiving advantages not accessible to any other of the surviving SANFL clubs. Yes I would be opposed and so would you Mr Boon.

I doubt this ridiculous notion of it was the SANFL fault they become insolvent would even be thought about . Yet alone believed like for some other club.

How about instead of you Port fans keep trying this lame guilt trip and blaming everyone else. You get together and list for me the huge advantages faced to the CDFC by the proposed merger in $$$ for the season 2010. List for me how our club(s) will be better off by agreeing to this proposal. Cos that would be a good way to get me and some of the others onside.

Ill be reasonable. if you can list all the advantages in $$$$ for the CDFC and they out weigh the disadvantages faced to our club. Then it makes good business sense to support your deal. Cos Ill be honest at this stage I cant see any.

Until then please give up this "your just picking on us cos we are Port" theory. Every club would ask this for any merger proposal IMHO.


How about this:
A: As a mere supporter, I don't know the details of the proposal so it's pretty hard to convey the advantages.

AND

B: As a mere supporter, I don't give 2 Fracks as to whether you agree with it or not.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Mic » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:15 pm

beenreal wrote:
UK Fan wrote:
Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


If the only way for West and South to survive was to merge with an AFL club. Whilst receiving advantages not accessible to any other of the surviving SANFL clubs. Yes I would be opposed and so would you Mr Boon.

I doubt this ridiculous notion of it was the SANFL fault they become insolvent would even be thought about . Yet alone believed like for some other club.

How about instead of you Port fans keep trying this lame guilt trip and blaming everyone else. You get together and list for me the huge advantages faced to the CDFC by the proposed merger in $$$ for the season 2010. List for me how our club(s) will be better off by agreeing to this proposal. Cos that would be a good way to get me and some of the others onside.

Ill be reasonable. if you can list all the advantages in $$$$ for the CDFC and they out weigh the disadvantages faced to our club. Then it makes good business sense to support your deal. Cos Ill be honest at this stage I cant see any.

Until then please give up this "your just picking on us cos we are Port" theory. Every club would ask this for any merger proposal IMHO.


How about this:
A: As a mere supporter, I don't know the details of the proposal so it's pretty hard to convey the advantages.

AND

B: As a mere supporter, I don't give 2 Fracks as to whether you agree with it or not.


A. Because there aren't any.

B. Same attitude most will have if Port fold.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby nickname » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:17 pm

Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


I don't know that you're comparing apples with apples there Booney. The issue for me is that there's no way we can be guaranteed that the relationship will be 100% solely off-field. That's obviously going to be a bigger issue when you're talking about Port working with Port, than South working with the Crows.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby am Bays » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:49 pm

beenreal wrote:How about this:
A: As a mere supporter, I don't know the details of the proposal so it's pretty hard to convey the advantages.

AND

B: As a mere supporter, I don't give 2 Fracks as to whether you agree with it or not.


Thats the spirit...

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby whatever » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:50 pm

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Barto » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:01 pm

beenreal wrote:B: As a mere supporter, I don't give 2 Fracks as to whether you agree with it or not.


Maybe North could be proven correct in not wasting their time. ;)
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby X Runna » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:40 am

UK Fan wrote:
Booney wrote:Back on track --

Would the deabte be this passionate if the club struggling at SANFL level and looking to form on off field relationship with and AFL based club was South or West?


If the only way for West and South to survive was to merge with an AFL club. Whilst receiving advantages not accessible to any other of the surviving SANFL clubs. Yes I would be opposed and so would you Mr Boon.

I doubt this ridiculous notion of it was the SANFL fault they become insolvent would even be thought about . Yet alone believed like for some other club.

How about instead of you Port fans keep trying this lame guilt trip and blaming everyone else. You get together and list for me the huge advantages faced to the CDFC by the proposed merger in $$$ for the season 2010. List for me how our club(s) will be better off by agreeing to this proposal. Cos that would be a good way to get me and some of the others onside.

Ill be reasonable. if you can list all the advantages in $$$$ for the CDFC and they out weigh the disadvantages faced to our club. Then it makes good business sense to support your deal. Cos Ill be honest at this stage I cant see any.

Until then please give up this "your just picking on us cos we are Port" theory. Every club would ask this for any merger proposal IMHO.


You know this has been answered in other threads UK Fan. Why can't you just let this angle lie?
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby CUTTERMAN » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:52 pm

I've seen no details as have all of us, BUT, I don't understand how two financially failing clubs can add up to two viable clubs. Doesn't qiute make sense to me and I gotta say it sounds very desperate to me, add to that that no one has publically seen any details whatsoever and it's being dragged on and on, then I can't help but think there's an elephant sized rat in the room that no one is talking about.
Let's say the merger goes ahead, for how long is this "cure" going to be tested? What happens to both clubs' assets along the way? How do the boards get divided up? Are they a joint board? Are they an even 50/50 joint board?
All I see is a delay in the inevitable which will be the demise of the old, the original, and the only Port Adelaide Football Club there'll ever be for me and many others. That is that they have finally eaten themselves and discarded their true tradition wantonly. I wonder who is behind the scenes and are involved in this mess. PAFC or whatever tag they choose to hide behind and for whatever reason, have given birth to a mongrel gorilla that will devour it's own heart and divide it's supporters and probably it's heartland for generations to come. Say goodbye to the Magpies, this is my own opinion, I can be pesimistic but this is how it see it. It is also by no means the outcome that is something I would want to see, but I think they will eventually be pushed out of the nest for being a runt by their well fed younger brother.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Go Legs » Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:49 am

Booney wrote:So it's a decision based on how bitter people are and not what is best for the competition and its future?


Booney, reap what you sow

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Punk Rooster » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:20 am

what I can't understand, is if this was any other SANFL Club, the attitude would be "we need an 8 team comp anyway..."
But somehow, Port think it's their God-given right that it will be anyone but them.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Booney » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:58 am

Im not sure that is the case Punk or do you expect us to just roll over belly up?

Of course we supporters will fight and defend our club as much as we can and the administrators should do just the same.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Big Phil » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:45 am

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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Lynwood » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:21 pm

Just came from the Magpies AGM

From what I can recall at the moment it was a long nite

We remain as the PAMFC (our own legal entity)
The Power do up the POW
The magpies have offices at Alberton (Prob in the Port Club pokie area)
The Magpies board has to report to the power
It will happen next year after a vote from members
The Magpies then are able to advertise games to power members to attract more people to games

They kept mentioning only having one group of supporters. looks like they want you to follow both clubs (lets see how long they both survive with that)

A review will take place in three years

Talking to a board member after i was told that magpie membership money will most likely go to the power and the magpies will be run off of a set budget. They have not been able to discuss this issue fully because of legal reasons to do with creating the two clubs. If true there are quite a few Magpie members who will still support the club but will not buy memberships to give money to the Power.

If I remember more details I will post tomorrow, like I said it was a long nite.
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby beenreal » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:26 am

Lynwood wrote:Just came from the Magpies AGM

From what I can recall at the moment it was a long nite

We remain as the PAMFC (our own legal entity)
The Power do up the POW
The magpies have offices at Alberton (Prob in the Port Club pokie area)
The Magpies board has to report to the power
It will happen next year after a vote from members
The Magpies then are able to advertise games to power members to attract more people to games

They kept mentioning only having one group of supporters. looks like they want you to follow both clubs (lets see how long they both survive with that)

A review will take place in three years

Talking to a board member after i was told that magpie membership money will most likely go to the power and the magpies will be run off of a set budget. They have not been able to discuss this issue fully because of legal reasons to do with creating the two clubs. If true there are quite a few Magpie members who will still support the club but will not buy memberships to give money to the Power.

If I remember more details I will post tomorrow, like I said it was a long nite.


Yes it was a long night because there was so much information to convey.

From memory, the Port Adelaide Football Club only ever had one set of supporters.

Overheard a great comment post AGM. "It took 13 years for the club to become fractured, hopefully by another 13 years the wounds will have healed."
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Re: Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:35 am

Did they advise if their was any hope of survival if the merger wasn't approved?
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