Port Magpies

[MagareyLegend]

As much as we hate Port - they can not die. Who is then left to hate? South? You can't even hate South.

[csbowes]

Don't you DARE suggest that I should support/prop-up the VERY CLUB that caused the demise of my own club!!!

Ridiculous. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at the WAFL. Their entry into the expanded VFL in 1987 set the clocks ticking on when the SANFL would join.

Had the WAFL held out, like the SANFL had encouraged at the time, then the expanded VFL may have stayed just that, an east-coast league.

To blame Port is to just point the finger at an easy target. Lets remember that Port weren't the only one's that went for a license at some point in time, Norwood-Sturt did (I voted against it), as did Torrens-Glenelg-someone and every other man in their dog in some other half-arsed 4-5 team bid.

So while Port helped the momentum along, I think the WAFL entry into the expanded VFL in 1987 was the catalyst, Port encouraged it a few years later and when that happened, every team in town jumped in hoping to get the second golden ticket to the Chocolate Factory in the mid-1990s!

[drifter]

What some people seem to forget is that when the Port came into the AFL, they themselves wanted the doors closed on the Maggies. . Well guess what, after propping other teams up with attendances with 34% of the supporter base, Port did their bit, the SANFL need to take some responsibility and lend some support, or they are a bunch of hypocrites. 2nd highest away crowds, largest membership, they need to help out.


1. strip back to bear bones by not signing any interstate recruits to new contracts and only honour the existing ones such as Miekejohn and Clayton. Noone else gets one unless its a standard one. A culture has slipped in where some play for the love of money, instead of love of the club, as they have tried to keep up with 10 GRAND a week CENTRAL in pokie heaven in the North. THis should save some money straight away.


5. Let Port and South share the first 5 picks of the mini - draft. Port the first 3 and South the next 2 for being bottom, only for this year, under the proviso that they dont pay new players from interstate ( Port only ). These players wont come under the magpies pay structure, so more money saved.



Yes Port have made some bad business decisions, like a lot of other clubs I may add. 34% is the club most supported n
ot necessarily attended . This was back in 97. There supporter base is not a negative I just feel that while it was convenient for them to be around to keep up the attendances it was Ok with some clubs, but now they dont want to know about it. And as for Gilligan Ah yes, a great Tv show, very average player

6. being facetious here, maybe the SANFL should pay 34% of their dividend to Port commensurate with their percentage of members in the league.

at the end of the day, you cant compare their plight with Sturt, North, South in the past as no other teams support base is asked to support 2 teams, the Maggies and the Power. The Sanfl have made their bed, now they have to lie in it and give Port some assistance to get a workable model together.

Any thoughts ?

Ahh Statistics by your definition if they have 34% of the supporter base that would equate to a weekend crowd at the SANFL of 10,000, 3,400 being Port supporters. No way would I believe this.

Re the Draft they'll benefit also by virtue of where they've finished anyway. i didn't have much sympathy for them when they got Lockwood, Gilligan, Surjan and prob more via their affiliation with the Power. Yes, times have changed.

Yes the SANFL has to be accountable and help as much as they've helped other clubs. Port also has to be accountable. Post 1997 they must have implimented a poor business plan which they are now seeking to remediate.
How can you infer by Port having a significant supporter base in the SANFL is a negative? Surely they should be in a prime position to leverage off this.
What's a Port memebership $50 or so?

[csbowes]

As much as we hate Port - they can not die. Who is then left to hate? South? You can't even hate South.

I hate Norwood... but then I think everyone does...

[Hondo]

Ridiculous. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at the WAFL. Their entry into the expanded VFL in 1987 set the clocks ticking on when the SANFL would join.

Had the WAFL held out, like the SANFL had encouraged at the time, then the expanded VFL may have stayed just that, an east-coast league.

There's a very interesting show from Foxtel on the birth of the WC Eagles and it's on YouTube if you want to have a look.

Apparently the WAFL were as broke as the VFL in the mid 80s so you could blame both of them probably. If the WAFL had ownership of their own stadium like the SANFL did then they could have held out with us but they say they had run out of options by the end of 1986.

The WAFL clubs apparently were actively "selling" their star players to VFL clubs and living off the transfer fees. When those same VFL clubs ran out of money the whole house of cards fell over.

4 years later a freshly cashed up VFL changes it's name to the AFL and the year afterwards the WCE win an AFL premiership. The rest is history.

We digress ..... back to the PAMFC!

[dash61]

Maybe the Port Magpie fans should look to solving this problem by looking at their own twin brother, everytime the magpies board gets a good person on it they get recruited by the power.

Question??? How many Magpie supporters go to the alberton hotel rather than the prince of wales????

[Booney]

I live walking distance from both pubs dasher and I must say the Alberton is a nicer pub to go to with the family for a meal. I do however go to the Prince of Wales for the odd quiet one on a week night that Family Boon doesn't attend.

The Prince is dead most nights and I like that at times, but no Pub TAB makes it a little dull.

[UK Fan]

As has been reported, it was the SANFL Commission (and/or the other 8 clubs?) who changed plans late and decided there had to be a Magpies team in the SANFL still.

Not strictly correct. When the SANFL canvassed for bids for the second AFL team it stipulated a list of conditions which ought to be met by the successful bid. One of those conditions was that the successful bid retain a presence in the SANFL. IIRC only the Eagles bid ignored this criterion and advocated a complete secession to the AFL. Therefore the plan was always to retain Port in the SANFL. Heck, Brian Cunningham is on record saying that he hoped some way could be found to keep Port in the SANFL, well before the winner was decided - I have a copy of this interview buried somewhere in my footy paraphernalia.

The claim that Port was forced to remain in the SANFL against its wishes is a myth, perpetuated mostly by those PAP DHs who simply do not want to follow a SANFL team anymore and need a vague reason to justify their abandonment of the Magpies.

That one decision is obviously a key factor behind the financial troubles both PAFC and PAMFC are in now. There's 2 teams out there fighting over the same supporter base. 2 teams fighting over who's history is who.

Frankly I doubt that the PAM's issues have any significant effect on the PAP. Consider the relative scale of the two organisations. Without looking at balance sheets, I would suggest that more zeroes are used on the PAP's sheet than on that of the PAMs; they would have to be at least an order of magnitude higher. Should the PAM cease to exist, and its assets & supporters be subsumed entirely by the PAP, little difference would be made to PAP's bottom line. Indeed the only salient difference at all would be that the PAP whingers would have to stick their heads in a different sandpit since they could no longer ascribe their own club's shortcomings on the existence of a minor SANFL team.

COuldnt agree more pseudo. You are correct. Dont waste your breathe on Hondo/Gollum he has NFI about facts when it comes to defending his precious. He will always defend the AFL over the SANFL. Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port. Port were never going to get into the AFL any other way. Proof 1991 the crows were invented due to Ports desire to be independent.


Of the other options the SANFL faced for the licence. None really invloved any club leaving the SANFL. If Port wanted to gain access it had to do the same. Not because the SANFL had a gun to its head. If you want to know Ports motivation it really really thought they belonged in the AFL and would of done anything for the second licence.


Still love how Port fans are blaming everybody else for their own clubs incompetence. The SANFL didnt make you join the AFL in 1997. And then change the conditions of entry like you guys love to believe. You were given the rules and stipulations of entry like everybody else and this is the model you created. VEry stupidly might I add but that was Port's decision.

I hope Matthew Richardson is sleeping easy with his "specialist" role at the power.

All I can say to the Port fans is Ill refer you to an old german expression taught to me many years ago "suckede shizen"

I apologise if I havent translated that incorrectly.

[UK Fan]

Ridiculous. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at the WAFL. Their entry into the expanded VFL in 1987 set the clocks ticking on when the SANFL would join.

Had the WAFL held out, like the SANFL had encouraged at the time, then the expanded VFL may have stayed just that, an east-coast league.

There's a very interesting show from Foxtel on the birth of the WC Eagles and it's on YouTube if you want to have a look.

Apparently the WAFL were as broke as the VFL in the mid 80s so you could blame both of them probably. If the WAFL had ownership of their own stadium like the SANFL did then they could have held out with us but they say they had run out of options by the end of 1986.

The WAFL clubs apparently were actively "selling" their star players to VFL clubs and living off the transfer fees. When those same VFL clubs ran out of money the whole house of cards fell over.

4 years later a freshly cashed up VFL changes it's name to the AFL and the year afterwards the WCE win an AFL premiership. The rest is history.

We digress ..... back to the PAMFC!

let me guess you were digressed by talking more afl bollocks which has nothing to do with this discussion.

Im correct.

What a surprise.Just cant help yourself can you Gollum.

[Punk Rooster]

As much as we hate Port - they can not die. Who is then left to hate? South? You can't even hate South.

Glenelg.

[spell_check]

Well, that story on Channel 9:

-Possibility that the Port Magpies will become the Powers' reserves side.

Therefore, players that were a product of the other 8 sides junior grades effectively will play for this side when the need arises.

That's a NFW from me, and I'd expect the 8 sides to say a similar thing.

[BUZZ]

Well, that story on Channel 9:

-Possibility that the Port Magpies will become the Powers' reserves side.

Therefore, players that were a product of the other 8 sides junior grades effectively will play for this side when the need arises.

That's a NFW from me, and I'd expect the 8 sides to say a similar thing.

Surely if they go down that path the side would have to join the VFL?

[drifter]

As has been reported, it was the SANFL Commission (and/or the other 8 clubs?) who changed plans late and decided there had to be a Magpies team in the SANFL still.

Not strictly correct. When the SANFL canvassed for bids for the second AFL team it stipulated a list of conditions which ought to be met by the successful bid. One of those conditions was that the successful bid retain a presence in the SANFL. IIRC only the Eagles bid ignored this criterion and advocated a complete secession to the AFL. Therefore the plan was always to retain Port in the SANFL. Heck, Brian Cunningham is on record saying that he hoped some way could be found to keep Port in the SANFL, well before the winner was decided - I have a copy of this interview buried somewhere in my footy paraphernalia.

The claim that Port was forced to remain in the SANFL against its wishes is a myth, perpetuated mostly by those PAP DHs who simply do not want to follow a SANFL team anymore and need a vague reason to justify their abandonment of the Magpies.

That one decision is obviously a key factor behind the financial troubles both PAFC and PAMFC are in now. There's 2 teams out there fighting over the same supporter base. 2 teams fighting over who's history is who.

Frankly I doubt that the PAM's issues have any significant effect on the PAP. Consider the relative scale of the two organisations. Without looking at balance sheets, I would suggest that more zeroes are used on the PAP's sheet than on that of the PAMs; they would have to be at least an order of magnitude higher. Should the PAM cease to exist, and its assets & supporters be subsumed entirely by the PAP, little difference would be made to PAP's bottom line. Indeed the only salient difference at all would be that the PAP whingers would have to stick their heads in a different sandpit since they could no longer ascribe their own club's shortcomings on the existence of a minor SANFL team.

COuldnt agree more pseudo. You are correct. Dont waste your breathe on Hondo/Gollum he has NFI about facts when it comes to defending his precious. He will always defend the AFL over the SANFL. Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port. Port were never going to get into the AFL any other way. Proof 1991 the crows were invented due to Ports desire to be independent.


Of the other options the SANFL faced for the licence. None really invloved any club leaving the SANFL. If Port wanted to gain access it had to do the same. Not because the SANFL had a gun to its head. If you want to know Ports motivation it really really thought they belonged in the AFL and would of done anything for the second licence.


Still love how Port fans are blaming everybody else for their own clubs incompetence. The SANFL didnt make you join the AFL in 1997. And then change the conditions of entry like you guys love to believe. You were given the rules and stipulations of entry like everybody else and this is the model you created. VEry stupidly might I add but that was Port's decision.

I hope Matthew Richardson is sleeping easy with his "specialist" role at the power.

All I can say to the Port fans is Ill refer you to an old german expression taught to me many years ago "suckede shizen"

I apologise if I havent translated that incorrectly.

Yes and because of that stipulation of having a second team they have contributed to the current bash
ket case a nd should help out. Port have made mistakes , no doubt, but if it was any other club, we wouldnt even be questioning it

[Hondo]

Couldnt agree more pseudo. You are correct. Dont waste your breathe on Hondo/Gollum he has NFI about facts when it comes to defending his precious. He will always defend the AFL over the SANFL. Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port. Port were never going to get into the AFL any other way. Proof 1991 the crows were invented due to Ports desire to be independent.

Of the other options the SANFL faced for the licence. None really invloved any club leaving the SANFL. If Port wanted to gain access it had to do the same. Not because the SANFL had a gun to its head. If you want to know Ports motivation it really really thought they belonged in the AFL and would of done anything for the second licence.

Still love how Port fans are blaming everybody else for their own clubs incompetence. The SANFL didnt make you join the AFL in 1997. And then change the conditions of entry like you guys love to believe. You were given the rules and stipulations of entry like everybody else and this is the model you created. VEry stupidly might I add but that was Port's decision.

That's exactly what I said. The SANFL mandated a team be left in the SANFL as a condition of granting an AFL license for 1997. Port had no real choice.

Instead of 1000 words and 3 posts you could have just said "I agree"

Can't believe you actually typed this:

"Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port.

Those 2 statements are the exact opposite.

[Hazydog]

Prediction of the result of tonights meeting...

1/ PAMFC must remain seperate entity to Power.
2/ SANFL will not provide funds to pay off debts.
3/ SANFL will provide assistance to review & restructure revenue streams.

Meeting adjourned..."right , who's shout is it? Come on Granty you tight so & so....."

[BUZZ]

I dont think Port fans are blaming anyone in particular for their current situation. For 3 years after the 'Powerless' joined the elite, The Magpies made 3 and won 2 grand finals.

I put it down to a rough patch, as the other 7 clubs have felt at some stage with Centrals reign on the competition.

As Port fans, we have been spoilt, now its time to dig in and help out.............

[zipzap]

Been pondering some AA caller's so-stupid-it-just-might-work solution to save both flavours of the PAFC in one fell swoop tonight: Move the Maggies back to their rightful home at Alberton with all the history, creed and glory restored. Shift the Puffs to Adelaide Oval, scrap the Est: 1870 nonsense and sever all ties with the Port name that has seen their supporter base steadily haemorrhage and call themselves the Adelaide Power or something similar. Both moves could feasibly > increase members & coin

[Dogwatcher]

More fuel for the fire boys

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[Il Duce]

Would love to see that happen (power to adelaide oval etc) but it never will, it looks like after 21 years this has been my last season of following Sanfl . I just cant see us getting through this.

[StrayDog]

..... as they (Port) have tried to keep up with 10 GRAND a week CENTRAL in pokie heaven in the North.

Footy clubs are now deriving significant income from Pokies. Port area is chock-full of pokie players.

Not sure what the individual suburb figures are, but in terms of council areas, this article tends (and I say this advisedly) to back this last statement up. Describes more pokie pocket holes being burnt in Port Adelaide / Enfield than any other area in the state.

Try being in Unley and even Norwood - where basically no-one goes near pokies and try to make a buck!

I'm not sure how much the figures have changed in the last 5 years but this document might suggest that the inner east might not be (or at least not have been) as pokie-resistant as some might believe.