Glenelg vs Centrals Review

[CENTURION]

Well, I am happy-ish, I guess. I thought that we would get smashed.

I thought we'd win, though wasn't totally confident at 3/4 time - I just put that down to gummy bear withdrawal.

mmmmm, gummy bears, mmmmmm. Better bring some to the next home game.

[am Bays]

duttchske's (not sure of his spelling) 3rd goal & grimas in the last quarter evened out as both were not goals with the former being clearly over the goal line after watching the replay this morning & grima's came from above his knee

Just a couple of calls that could have gone either way I guess, though must disagree with your first call re Dutschke's goal. Happy to point out by PM exactly why if you're interested, though with that camera angle (same end) really hard to for sure in either of those two cases IMO.

Whilst our opinions on the above are academic, what is for sure is that both Tony Dey and the goal umpire involved in Grima's goal should be made to re-read Rule 12.1.5 (see page 43 of this) and write it out 100 times on the blackboard before leaving training this week. Should be basic stuff at this level.

That law, as I understand it, is in respect to the goal line and the posts - has the ball wholly crossd the line and which two posts the ball traversed between. I presume Dey was discussing if it was a legal kick or not.

Having said that despite being known on this site as a defender of umpires I can't defend the indefensible. Tony Dey is an umpire I have no confidence in because of his manner and decision making ability. Standing in the middle of the race (close I know to the Southern goals ) I cringed when he ran in to put his two bobs worth in thinking oh my god which way in this going to go...

Williams and Rowston are fine IMO as they are basically consistant and reward players who get front position and make the ball their object - case in point the play on decision he gave the Centrals player who ahd the ball and was tackled by Ruey and the Dogs player dropped it cold. Williams admitted he gave the player the benefit of the doubt that he may not have heard the play on call. IMO you can't bag umpires who reward/give the beneift of the doubt to blokes who get the footy first.

[Jimmy]

Not real hard to figure out the motivation behind that call was it Apostle.

Poor old Luke Crane.

this post has me confused, seriously

Maybe ask some of the real sturt supporters who go to games about Craneys choke last year in the finals. Might have been left off of the text messaged scored updates you received.

so he choked...poor bugga...did he play for the dogs on the weekend as i thought this was the dogs vs tigers review thread?

[StrayDog]

duttchske's (not sure of his spelling) 3rd goal & grimas in the last quarter evened out as both were not goals with the former being clearly over the goal line after watching the replay this morning & grima's came from above his knee

Just a couple of calls that could have gone either way I guess, though must disagree with your first call re Dutschke's goal. Happy to point out by PM exactly why if you're interested, though with that camera angle (same end) really hard to for sure in either of those two cases IMO.

Whilst our opinions on the above are academic, what is for sure is that both Tony Dey and the goal umpire involved in Grima's goal should be made to re-read Rule 12.1.5 (see page 43 of this) and write it out 100 times on the blackboard before leaving training this week. Should be basic stuff at this level.

That law, as I understand it, is in respect to the goal line and the posts - has the ball wholly crossd the line and which two posts the ball traversed between.

Rule 12.1.3 (d) pretty well covers the cracks on that one.



Rule 12.1.5

Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
"(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires."

Essentially, if the Goal Umpire has any doubts then they may initiate consultation with either the Boundary or the Central Umpire. The law provided no providence for Dey to "over-rule" (this isn't tennis), as the law continues,



"The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final."

Make no mistakes, the goal umpire had made his decision - he was patting his chest preparing to signal a behind which, (just before Dey chimed in)



"The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, as the case may be."

Though this, far as a goal umpire is concerned, only relates to signalling the decision that has already been made.

Yes, the Goal Umpire can, for example, reverse a goal before the centre bounce if they realise they've stuffed up but this call is theirs alone.



Note: I probably should point out that I'd be of the same opinion if it had gone the other way, as it's ultimately just one call in a match, albeit an odd one that's had a bit of attention. Dey should have butted out, the Goal Umpire should have stood his ground.

Edit: reinstated original post, just thought it was a bleary-eyed rant at the time.

[Dutchy]

Having watched the replay again last night no one for sure can tell if Grima kicked it or not, have to trust the umps who were close to the action

The holding the ball on Kirk was a disgrace, lucky Schell kicked like he usually does

In review we play OK but so much more improvement

Calinan is sooo very important for the Dogs, continually broke the lines, hope the hammy doesnt ping for the 3rd time

[doggies4eva]

Having watched the replay again last night no one for sure can tell if Grima kicked it or not, have to trust the umps who were close to the action

The holding the ball on Kirk was a disgrace, lucky Schell kicked like he usually does

In review we play OK but so much more improvement

Calinan is sooo very important for the Dogs, continually broke the lines, hope the hammy doesnt ping for the 3rd time

And I hope Connell improves his fitness. He won't be able to bludge in the goalsquare and kick a bag of goals come finals time.

[Dirko]

And I hope Connell improves his fitness. He won't be able to bludge in the goalsquare and kick a bag of goals come finals time.

And I hope the slack arse Dog who was meant to be standing him tightens up after conceding 5 score assists & 5 scoring shot to McConnell....

[doggies4eva]

And I hope Connell improves his fitness. He won't be able to bludge in the goalsquare and kick a bag of goals come finals time.

And I hope the slack arse Dog who was meant to be standing him tightens up after conceding 5 score assists & 5 scoring shot to McConnell....

I'll pay that one. Not bad for a Glenelg supporter

[Dutchy]

Who is Connell?

[doggies4eva]

Who is Connell?

Sorry I meant MacDonalds

[LBT]

McConnell had Cockrane and Delta as opponents on Saturday. They showed him little or no respect.

[am Bays]

Rule 12.1.3 (d) pretty well covers the cracks on that one.



Rule 12.1.5

Goal Umpire to Judge Goal or Behind
"(a) The goal Umpire shall decide whether a Goal or Behind has been scored but may, before deciding, consult with the field or boundary Umpires."

Essentially, if the Goal Umpire has any doubts then they may initiate consultation with either the Boundary or the Central Umpire. The law provided no providence for Dey to "over-rule" (this isn't tennis), as the law continues,



"The decision of the goal Umpire shall be final."

Make no mistakes, the goal umpire had made his decision - he was patting his chest preparing to signal a behind which, (just before Dey chimed in)



"The goal Umpire shall only signal that a Goal or Behind has been scored when the field Umpire signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, as the case may be."

Though this, far as a goal umpire is concerned, only relates to signalling the decision that has already been made.

Yes, the Goal Umpire can, for example, reverse a goal before the centre bounce if they realise they've stuffed up but this call is theirs alone.



Note: I probably should point out that I'd be of the same opinion if it had gone the other way, as it's ultimately just one call in a match, albeit an odd one that's had a bit of attention. Dey should have butted out, the Goal Umpire should have stood his ground.

Good Post StrayDog. As I said the Fieldy has the final authority on if it is a legal kick or not. The goal umpre can give an opinion of it is a legal kick in the same way the field umpire gives his opinion on if it is a goal or behind: two hands up in front of face for all clear a goal, one hand up all clear behind, touch hand or touch fore arm for touched or hit the post - all clear a behind or fialaly both hands behind the back all clear - NFI your call. As with those opinions of the field umpire as per 12.1.5 the goal umpire can ignore those if he disagrees with them as to the score outcome.

I can only assume Dey when seeing that the flaggy was going to award a point and having seen the ball go through the goals he can check on why he is awarding it. He can't overule the Goal umpire on if hit the post was over the line or went through the behind line - but he can over-rule only on if it is a legal kick Section 1.1 definitions and 8.2.1 role of a field umpire.

As I said i my origonal post from where I was standing it looked like a point - touched I thought such was the crowded nature of the goal square.

[dedja]

Yah got a point there dedja i could not see that one because of the camera angle ????

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Might want to pass on that info to the fellas on the Bulldog Banter ... looks like they're still a bit worked up about Todd joining the wrong club, apparently.

[UK Fan]

Having watched the replay again last night no one for sure can tell if Grima kicked it or not, have to trust the umps who were close to the action

You should change your avatar from Nathan Buckley to Andrew Strauss with that defence Dutchy.

[EasyE]

McConnell had Cockrane and Delta as opponents on Saturday. They showed him little or no respect.

I thought it was the other way around, the way McConnell let Goodrem and Cochrane run unchecked out of defence continuously when the dogs got possession? I guess the perception changes depending on which team we support. Unfortunately we kept on turning the ball over and the big man was usually standing by himself in the forward 50. Somedays it comes off for him, other times (eg 2008 2nd Semi Final) it doesn't!