Port Magpies to be dissolved. Is it true?

[CUTTERMAN]

WHAT A DIRTY WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE PRACTICE TO DECIEVE. Thanks Ian G

While I'd hate to see the Port Maggies go from the SANFL. I gotta say that there's alot of karma going on around here!

[pipers]

Karma hey?

I think the Karma is missing the mark. Basheer and Whicker are to blame for this whole sorry mess...

[CUTTERMAN]

Go get stuffed! Pipers, you can't displace the whole sorry tale of 1990/1991 on 2 people, your club has to take blame and accept a fair bit, not all, but the majority of the shit that it's got it's self in! PAFC club sold out the SANFL for it's own greedy means, and forgetting IT'S OWN COMP to better itself! Don't palm it off on two other people, there's a club involved here!
Sturt is in trouble at the moment ($ wise) and we have been before and we've come out of it and we'll come out of it again, PAFC or whatever they are now have to sort their shit out and survive on their own merits, as does any other SANFL club. get over it!

[CUTTERMAN]

To add to that, Max Basheer and Leigh Whicker,(spelling?) have done alot to make the SANFL what it is today, probably against alot of pressure by the AFL, so you either like and respect the SANFL as a comp as it is, or you can winge and blame others for your own short term demise. Question! Are you a member of the Port Magpies?

[centrecirclelegend]

rumour is strong and they will fold at end of the season......

then it will be on between the Magpie and Power supporters......

should be great entertainment....

[heater31]

Port won't disappear yet. I have heard that the Hotel lease they own is worth 1.5 million + on their books and if necessary they would sell that and keep afloat for a bit longer.......

[Booney]

Just been sitting back watching this all onfold. I thoroughly enjoy how much hatred you all have for the Magpies, geez, we must have really inflicted some pain upon you all over the years.

To even suggest there will be no Prison Bar guernsey running around in the SANFL is absurd.

It's only a matter of time before we beat your mob again, whoever that may be.

[Wedgie]

Hatred? Im quite fond of them. Any club that denies Glenelg so many premierships, loses 2 GFs in my life to the Roosters, giving a 2nd chance to Hargs and Ebel as well as losing most games at Alberton to North is OK in my books! There's even a photo floating around somewhere of me cheering them on in the 1990 GF wearing a Simon Tregenza Tshirt!
I'd miss either Port but the Magpies the most even if they dont provide as many laughs as the Power.
If they organise a rally of some sort I'd have to reciprocate what my Port mate did who wore his Magpies scarf and waved my North flag in the Rooster Rally in 03.
Looking at it financially merging them back to one club does make sense but where?
I think both comps and parties involved would be best off if the Magpies remained absorbing the Power whilst a Victorian club was relocated to SA.
SANFL crowds would go up and the AFL crowds would remain the same.
A no loss situation.

Unfortunately the best result for all wont occur as the SANFL will prop up the Power but wont prop up the Magpies.
Id be suprised to see the Magpies around in 10 years time but North did show things can turn around in a hurry.
Mal and Dedja, where they are on the table has nothibg to do with it, the same things were being discussed last year.

[Psyber]

...I think both comps and parties involved would be best off if the Magpies remained absorbing the Power whilst a Victorian club was relocated to SA....

I love the idea of Melbourne relocating to Adelaide, coached by Gary Lyon, with Rodney Redleg as his assistant...

[Barto]

So which "club" do former Port players identify with most? The teal AFL mob that some supporters claim is the same of PAFC or the 'new' one which still carries the identity they've always had?

The new don't carry the identity of the old & never will, i know they do when it suits them & when its time to use the past of the Magpies to get some recognition.

Didnt quite answer the question, which one is 'new' in your eyes. The Teal club or the Magpies?

[Wedgie]

Another potential factor is the expected 'boom' down the Port way and if the Magpies (and a lot of traders) can hang out for it.
It's going to happen, its just a matter of when but due to the GFC (no not Geelong although the 2007 GF score did set the Port back a fair bit) and other factors it does seem to be taking longer than originally expected.

[FlyingHigh]

To prove how short-sighted this argument of Rucci is - he mentions Magpies city zone, but nothing about the country zone, ie EP. If the Maggies were dissolved, obviously this area would be reallocated to a different SANFL club. Given the strong allegiance built up over there for the Magpies and the Power over the years, the club given the EP zone would be at a huge disadvantage to gain respect/support over there, not to mention the money they have spent developing there current zone for which another club would get the reward. Also, there is no way the area could be divided up between two or more clubs because the distance and therefore time to "service" their zones would be too great for the return.
This could seriously disadvantage another club for a number of years. From experience, the only other club that might have a snowflakes chance is Sturt.

[mal]

Delaney passes to Bubbles Obst
Bubbles instictively heads for the boundary
Phillips anticipates well and takes possession at half back
Phillips handballs to Wanganeen
Wanganeen with a bullet like pass finds Johnny Cahill on the wing
Cahill swings on to his trusty left foot and pinpoints Ebert
Figjam hollers and demands a handball from Ebert
Figbucks takes a bounce, draws a defender and kicks to Grainger on the lead who punches the ball !
The loose ball is picked up By Shine Hosking who handballs to Bull Reval
Reval sends it long to the square, up high aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwl whatta mark by Joel Perry...

Why would we wanna extinguish a club that has produced so many wonderful players
Its just a phase the club will rebound
How?
First of all put 1870 on the prison bar guernseys where the 1870 really belongs

[baysman]

As a Portonian, I must admit I am having quite a chuckle about it this. I would be happy as a pig in Sh*t if the Maggies were flushed down the bogger. As most of my relatives are Port Suppoters ( hang on....Power supporters....they no not of Magpie happenings these days ), I feel the old saying of " You can't have your cake.....". When the Paps came in, they left in droves to try and beat the Vics every weekend. It just makes for entertaining times !

[Sojourner]

For all those that oppose what Rucci is suggesting (fair enough by the way), what I would like to know is how you feel the Port Adelaide Magpies can increase their revenue streams into the club for it to be saved? What needs to happen to cash Port up to the point where they are viable in the SANFL?

[Dutchy]

But I'm not entirely sold that the solution is to pull the magpies out of the comp. We lose any club, we lose fans. PAMFC members won't just shift to a new club, many will be lost to footy. And the network for juniors will be damaged, and the club will be lost forever. No club should be lost unless it's a basketcase.

Agree btu I know Westies will get one more fan if the PAMFC wind up

[Dutchy]

Port won't disappear yet. I have heard that the Hotel lease they own is worth 1.5 million + on their books and if necessary they would sell that and keep afloat for a bit longer.......

was that valued in the last 6 months? If not it wouldnt be worth that now....and wouldnt they have debt against it?

[csbowes]

csbowes, in regard to Port just doing what it wants if the PAFC went against the AFL wishes with regards to their jumper there would be a $50k fine. If Port think it's worth paying $50k a game to wear it then fair enough. I doubt the AFL will stand by though, so perhaps the fines will continue to increase. Eventually, and alternitively the AFL will start to strip the power of premiership points.

Just on this, I'd have no confidence in the AFL doing it. They'll fine them initially to call their bluff, but if Port stood firm, the league would resort to negotiation on the issue. The fact is by continually fining the club and then docking premiership points, particularly docking points or banning them from drafts or whatever, the league itself loses credibility. Basides, a few teams have broken rules that should result in hefty punishments, i.e. score reduced to zero and the AFL has never enacted it.

[therisingblues]

For all those that oppose what Rucci is suggesting (fair enough by the way), what I would like to know is how you feel the Port Adelaide Magpies can increase their revenue streams into the club for it to be saved? What needs to happen to cash Port up to the point where they are viable in the SANFL?

I would prefer the Power fields a reserves side called the "Port Magpies" in the SANFL. All their AFL listed players would play for that team thus heavily reducing player payments for the Magpies. (So far as I understand it) This would also get the Maggies and Power working together instead of trying to screw each other over (which I read, seems to be happening).
But before that happens, I'd like to see them fight to exist as they are. The Power needs to understand who the parent club is. Now I am not sure what legal hocus-pocus went into the wording of the Power's constitution or whatever they claim to be, but the fact of the matter is that a side in the SANFL known as the Magpies far predated one in the AFL called the Power, and I am surprised at what lengths some of the latter are going to just to strangle off the memory of the team they all once loved.
Aside from all that, they should have a march, a fundraiser, a rally....something. I would even support them in that. I will not willing allow the old foe die so quick. Then with their cash they could purchase some assets.
Perhaps even a "Magpies car-wash" would be a winner out that way. Get some kids who love the club to wash cars in the Alberton car-park. Participants get free tickets to games and all proceeds go to the club. That might be a drop on the bucket, but a few events like that builds the drops up over time.

[Voice]

For all those that oppose what Rucci is suggesting (fair enough by the way), what I would like to know is how you feel the Port Adelaide Magpies can increase their revenue streams into the club for it to be saved? What needs to happen to cash Port up to the point where they are viable in the SANFL?

I would prefer the Power fields a reserves side called the "Port Magpies" in the SANFL. All their AFL listed players would play for that team thus heavily reducing player payments for the Magpies. (So far as I understand it) This would also get the Maggies and Power working together instead of trying to screw each other over (which I read, seems to be happening).
But before that happens, I'd like to see them fight to exist as they are. The Power needs to understand who the parent club is. Now I am not sure what legal hocus-pocus went into the wording of the Power's constitution or whatever they claim to be, but the fact of the matter is that a side in the SANFL known as the Magpies far predated one in the AFL called the Power, and I am surprised at what lengths some of the latter are going to just to strangle off the memory of the team they all once loved.
Aside from all that, they should have a march, a fundraiser, a rally....something. I would even support them in that. I will not willing allow the old foe die so quick. Then with their cash they could purchase some assets.
Perhaps even a "Magpies car-wash" would be a winner out that way. Get some kids who love the club to wash cars in the Alberton car-park. Participants get free tickets to games and all proceeds go to the club. That might be a drop on the bucket, but a few events like that builds the drops up over time.

Make sure you keep your car keys on you while they're washing it, you might end up with no car at all