Norwood fined $50k for Salary Cap breaches in 2008

[topsywaldron]

And that some supporters are proud. Why not play with 19 players?

A majority of SANFL clubs have now been found guilty of salary cap breaches, Norwood are just the latest to be found guilty of administrative oversights.

I mean, it's hardly as if we've given them all home entertainment systems is it?

[HeartBeatsTrue]

Heart Beats True, I explain something to you

Bryce Campbell (Crows) 17 Games $500 a game in 2008
Kris Massie (Crows) 2 games $500 a game in 2008
Luke Jericho (Crows) 5 games $500 a game in 2008
A Kite (Crows) 14 games @$300 a game in 2008
Walker (Crows) 17 games @$300 a game in 2008
Lower (Power) 9 games @$300-500 a game in 2008
Thomas (Power) 4 games @$300-500 a game in 2008
Adam Cockshell (Power) 19 Games $300 a game in 2008
Heart Beats True, at $300 a game thats close to what a first year rookie gets in the SANFL, these guys didnt cause u in any way to go over the salary cap, they reduced you match payments, didnt increase them. In 2009 the 3 lads u recruited to stay at your club will cost you more like an extra $1500 a game being generous

I hear a few clubs pulled out of the bidding for Bryce Campbell at about 50K, others bid higher so divide that by 20 to see what he gets a game

FFS. Are you going to get that I'm not blaming AFL listed players for us going over the cap?
If it reduces match payments or not thats not my arguement. (by the way, I dont think it does reduce match payments as the AFL listed usually takes the spot of a fringe player). Still causes uncertainty of what your match payments will be week after week, and the SANFL club is doing the AFL club a service by playing them. Should count for zero towards the cap, and the $300-$500 should go towards player compensation for injury, retainers, fringe benefits etc, or even match payment for your own players. Let me say this again. I'm not blaming AFL listed players as being the reason Norwood went over the cap.

I'll leave it at that, but you keep believing that Norwood will be at least 100K over the cap for 2009, and if no fines next year, then Norwood must be hiding it well.

I reckon with all this digging you need to buy a new shovel. I hear Bunnings has a sale on them this week so get in quick.

[Ronnie]

Do Norwood pay any attention to junior development anymore? Instead of short term buying players they should get back to what they used to do so well, getting juniors through the system. Guys like Dalwood were not only good coaches but great people to have around the club. In their defence maybe their zone is not as productive as it used to be.
This is indicatvie of not only poor administration but a football culture which has lost its way.

[dash61]

Heart Beats True, I explain something to you

Bryce Campbell (Crows) 17 Games $500 a game in 2008
Kris Massie (Crows) 2 games $500 a game in 2008
Luke Jericho (Crows) 5 games $500 a game in 2008
A Kite (Crows) 14 games @$300 a game in 2008
Walker (Crows) 17 games @$300 a game in 2008
Lower (Power) 9 games @$300-500 a game in 2008
Thomas (Power) 4 games @$300-500 a game in 2008
Adam Cockshell (Power) 19 Games $300 a game in 2008
Heart Beats True, at $300 a game thats close to what a first year rookie gets in the SANFL, these guys didnt cause u in any way to go over the salary cap, they reduced you match payments, didnt increase them. In 2009 the 3 lads u recruited to stay at your club will cost you more like an extra $1500 a game being generous

I hear a few clubs pulled out of the bidding for Bryce Campbell at about 50K, others bid higher so divide that by 20 to see what he gets a game

FFS. Are you going to get that I'm not blaming AFL listed players for us going over the cap?
If it reduces match payments or not thats not my arguement. (by the way, I dont think it does reduce match payments as the AFL listed usually takes the spot of a fringe player). Still causes uncertainty of what your match payments will be week after week, and the SANFL club is doing the AFL club a service by playing them. Should count for zero towards the cap, and the $300-$500 should go towards player compensation for injury, retainers, fringe benefits etc, or even match payment for your own players. Let me say this again. I'm not blaming AFL listed players as being the reason Norwood went over the cap.

I'll leave it at that, but you keep believing that Norwood will be at least 100K over the cap for 2009, and if no fines next year, then Norwood must be hiding it well.

I reckon with all this digging you need to buy a new shovel. I hear Bunnings has a sale on them this week so get in quick.

HeartBeatsTrue, I think you may be right, next year by some creative accounting Norwoods dont break the cap. Does that mean that they will be playing by the rules or manipulating the truth, who knows and who cares as obviously the SANFL dont. They act with a penalty like this they do but at the end of the day, if the paperwork is correct they dont want to know

[dash61]

The Norwood Football Club wishes to confirm that it has been informed by the SANFL of a Salary Cap breach for season 2008. (despite denying this 1 week ago to Norwood members)

Despite extensive and transparent discussions with the SANFL's designated salary cap officer throughout the season, the Club regretfully accepts the League's finding and wishes to apologise for not successfully adhering to the rules and regulations of the league in regards to the Salary Cap. (so extensive and transparent that the club was not told of the likely scenario?)

It is evident now that the loss of key people at critical stages early last year, undermined the ability of the club to effectively manage this fundamentally important function. The Board's appointment of Dominic Shepley as it's new CEO in July 2008 and the resultant overhaul of the Club's systems and processes to address these administrative issues have dramatically improved its performance both on and off the field. ( Who was lost early last year? Maybe the new Football Manager was not prepared to accept this as a basic responsibility of the job. And how does the 'overhaul of the Club's systems and processes addressing these administrative issues impact on late season form? And how did they impact on off field performance?)

The Board and staff of the Norwood Football Club are now confident to invite all members, supporters and sponsors to look forward with great anticipation to a successful 2009 season, for their beloved Redlegs. (Successful - so they bloody should be. Unless the salary cap has increased by $100 000 there is no way they are under the cap in 09 ensuring anything that is achieved this year wil always have the foul stench of 'cheats' about it).

Absolutely disgusting Norwood.

Who is being held accountable? Someone must have signed the stat dec requirement for clubs lodging all player payments. The Finance Director, The President, The CEO?

And that some supporters are proud. Why not play with 19 players?

And why is the penalty containing unprecendented penalties. The breach in 2007 must have been only swept so far under the carpet.

Cheats. Is anything lower than a deliberate cheat?

Im confused on this comment, what does it mean, can anyone add some light to this comment????

[nickname]

HBT the $300-$500 is a nominal amount counted against the cap. Norwood doesn't pay it, their AFL clubs pay their wages.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

Do Norwood pay any attention to junior development anymore? Instead of short term buying players they should get back to what they used to do so well, getting juniors through the system. Guys like Dalwood were not only good coaches but great people to have around the club. In their defence maybe their zone is not as productive as it used to be.
This is indicatvie of not only poor administration but a football culture which has lost its way.

Yeah Norwood used to do this well, but finishing 7th or thereabouts year after year because of it, is not worth it.
I dont have any figures to back this up, but my reckoning is that the import/zone ratio at all clubs are similar. Cant be arsed getting info on this so if anyone wants to prove me wrong go for it.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

HBT the $300-$500 is a nominal amount counted against the cap. Norwood doesn't pay it, their AFL clubs pay their wages.

Maybe I didnt explain properly. It still takes $300-$500 away from paying your own players. Whether you actually pay it is irrelevant.

[nickname]

HBT the $300-$500 is a nominal amount counted against the cap. Norwood doesn't pay it, their AFL clubs pay their wages.

Maybe I didnt explain properly. It still takes $300-$500 away from paying your own players. Whether you actually pay it is irrelevant.

Okay, I see what you're saying now.

[fester69]

Time that this bullshit about Bryce shopping himself around to every club got put to bed!
IF you have actual proof then please post it, dont be like sheep and follow everyone else!

Fester thats a good point, any SANFL clubs that made Bryce Campbell a written offer should disclose those offers to the SANFL. 6 or 7 other local clubs spoke with him and made offers so hopefully there are written offers out there and they can be submitted to the league investigating officers

And what would that prove Dash?

Fester - Do you have proof that he DIDNT shop himself around?

Only the word of Bryce Campbell himself, not psuedonyms on here not willing to publish THEIR real names.

Fester69 - AKA Fester - AKA Craig Paech.

[Ronnie]

Craig, Keith Thomas will lead Norwood next, and i think he will be an excellent leader.

[Jardog]

Bryce Campbell aint worth $50,000,its a bit hard to believe that the Wiggles offered there abouts.

[Rucciangelo]

Pretty simple really...they didn't budget for Timmy's $20k.

[SDK]

An administrative error that was disclosed. How can you predict or budget for a salary cap when you dont know how many games such a large number of players will play ?
Shall we make the cheque out to Port Power or will it pay for another AFL juncket by Dimitreou and Co ?

Any club not over the salary cap is dreaminng !
Next time NFC just lie and hide it like the rest, obviously admitting an honest mistake will get you nowhere !

No matter what club involved $350, 000 salary cap is ridiculous and needs to be increased !...retrospective by 10%

[topsywaldron]

There'll be some interesting developments on this whole thing coming soon that will both put to bed any accusation of guilt in 2009 and also about the recruting 'ban'.

Suffice to say Norwood will be OK on and off field for 2010, can the other clubs who didn't own up to any oversights say the same thing?

[NFC]

Thats 74 games played by AFL listed players @ $300 a game, Just imagine Jericho, Campbell & Massie play the 60 games (possible between them) this year at FULL TOTE ODDS , that is scary financially and most clubs had Bryce Campbell shopping himself at their clubs and the price tag got quite hefty so i cant wait to hear what they say his match paymen ts are

Doyle 9 games in 08, Trotter 14 in 08,Phillips 14 games Hope these 3 dont play the 21 games they missed in 2008 or its a costly exercise

All based in minor round games only

Do some sums, Norwood need a very creative accountant in 2009

Not sure about Campbell but Massie took way less than what he was offered by other SANFL clubs.

[nickname]

That's not going to help you fit under the cap.

[Legless Leggy]

Bloody SANFL - go look under someone else's rock! Towards the sea, I hear.

[Dirko]

Bloody SANFL - go look under someone else's rock! Towards the sea, I hear.

What ! The Magpies are over too !

[Wedgie]

Geographically speaking all of the other 8 clubs are closer to the sea than Norwood.