Under19, Under18, Under17 ??

[Wedgie]

Cool, that's great news, John Halbert made some great points for it on 5AA tonight.
I should have kept my email open as it came through half an hour ago.
Good to see the SANFL progressing, too many things have been going backwards recently.
Look forward to the new competition, it'll make a great day of footy with 3 games on and make it much easier on the clubs and those clubs in their area that they support!
Well done to those progressive clubs that are looking at the bigger picture and not stuck in the dark ages (or had selfish reasons for their vote) that supported the change! You're a credit to the league!

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This proposed new structure aims to increase the number of underage players progressing to SANFL League football, increase the composition of South Australian players in SANFL League teams, enhance the performance of the state’s Under 18 team in the National Championships and increase the number of South Australians drafted to the AFL.

Increase the composition of SA players in League teams, yet increase the number of players drafted to the AFL. Someone explain how this works?

[croc11]

One of the silliest and short sighted plans based on enhancing the Under 18 State Side's performance and getting more players drafted?

What do you think the Under 17's and Under 19's Comp is? And paying coaches $20-25K - how is that going to help as I am sure the time commitments will double - so you quit your day job for a measly $20-25K.

We still haven't been told why the previous system doesn't work when the whole of the Victorian Metrpolitan and Country Leagues are crying out to go back to the Under 17's and 19's. No-one has asked them what they think?

It may make your day better Wedgie having 3 games on the same day, but how are you going to fit this all in when this so called Elite Comp are going to have to kick the dew off the ground and start at 9.00am. THAT IS HARDLY AN ELITE WAY TO START THE DAY having our best and so called professional kids play at that time of the day.

Look it is purely about AFL $$$. You would rather the SA-AFL come out and be clean - yes we need the Cash - we're going to do it - to me this is a poor argument about living in the past.

This is about what is easier for the clubs - the 19's is a very good comp now - there are loads of very good players - many of whom are developing a touch later and all will now be lost to the system - let's see how many players and kids we get drafted - if I am proved wrong - I will admit my mistake, but if nothing changes ... well done SA-AFL you have stuffed the comp well and truly so that the SA-AFL can continue to BE JOBS FOR THE BOYS.

[whatever]

We still haven't been told why the previous system doesn't work .

Alot of this does come down to coaching I think

TAC littered with ex AFL footballers fresh out of the game.

WA I think (I will stand corrected if someone knows differently) they gave the job to one of West Coast assistant coaches.

In SA I do not know of any ex AFL players who are coaching junior grades. The SA team is caoched by a guy who probably played VFL 20 years ago and has been out of the AFL system. Thus the cutting edge training systems are not getting to our juniors.

well that is my guess.

[redandblack]

One of the silliest and short sighted plans based on enhancing the Under 18 State Side's performance and getting more players drafted?

What do you think the Under 17's and Under 19's Comp is? And paying coaches $20-25K - how is that going to help as I am sure the time commitments will double - so you quit your day job for a measly $20-25K.

We still haven't been told why the previous system doesn't work when the whole of the Victorian Metrpolitan and Country Leagues are crying out to go back to the Under 17's and 19's. No-one has asked them what they think?

It may make your day better Wedgie having 3 games on the same day, but how are you going to fit this all in when this so called Elite Comp are going to have to kick the dew off the ground and start at 9.00am. THAT IS HARDLY AN ELITE WAY TO START THE DAY having our best and so called professional kids play at that time of the day.

Look it is purely about AFL $$$. You would rather the SA-AFL come out and be clean - yes we need the Cash - we're going to do it - to me this is a poor argument about living in the past.

This is about what is easier for the clubs - the 19's is a very good comp now - there are loads of very good players - many of whom are developing a touch later and all will now be lost to the system - let's see how many players and kids we get drafted - if I am proved wrong - I will admit my mistake, but if nothing changes ... well done SA-AFL you have stuffed the comp well and truly so that the SA-AFL can continue to BE JOBS FOR THE BOYS.

Have you ever wondered about how many of the Under 17's eventually make it to league? I'd suggest it's well under 10%.

At Westies, we seem to produce very good AFL players, but very few SANFL players.

Whether that's the system or coaching is open to debate, but an Under 18 comp would see a big rise in standard of junior football and far less of a jump to league football.

If anyone has the stats of juniors playing league, I'd be interested.

[am Bays]

Have you ever wondered about how many of the Under 17's eventually make it to league? I'd suggest it's well under 10%.

At Westies, we seem to produce very good AFL players, but very few SANFL players.

Whether that's the system or coaching is open to debate, but an Under 18 comp would see a big rise in standard of junior football and far less of a jump to league football.

If anyone has the stats of juniors playing league, I'd be interested.

I can handle them getting rid of the 17s to an extent, I do have a problem with it becoming an U/18 competition. Despite what I said on here a year ago, on reflection I really do believe that some players especially those that come from our outer country areas, need extra time in the SANFL club system adjusting to the demands of league football clubs. Having an U/19s allows for this.

Is anyone able to says how many overage players (U/19s) clubs can have in the U/18s as what currently happens in the TAC Cup and the Div 2 U/18 carnival?

MAybe the Eagles scenario was the best?

In the end IMO this decsion has come down to $$$ from the AFL

[darley16]

Halbert said SANFL out of step with all other leagues accross Aust. If out of step means, most supported, financially viable, successful year after year in State footy, then maybe our model of u/17 & u19 being out of step is the correct mode and othr leagues should follow our example. Scrapping this is dumb and again panders to the Victorian based AFL who want one national u/18 comp for recruiting and one AFL league with state leagues reduced to amatuer status so there is no money or supporter/sponsorship drain to these compitions. Creed=AFL.

[ca]

Anyone know when this might be implemented? is next year too soon or are we talking a few years away.

[TigerBoss]

I think the best junior stucture for the SANFL is the U17s and U19s set-up...

[Alby_Green]

I cannot believe you guys in the SANFL are thinking of changing your junior system. The VFL are going back to the 17 and 19's after having been sucked into the lure of 18"s. This will happen next year. The promise of money and an elite competition was offset by losing many kids from the system. DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AS WE DID HERE.

Any chance of providing a link/reference to the changes you indicate are happening in Vic next year?

[MightyEagles]

Anyone know when this might be implemented? is next year too soon or are we talking a few years away.

If there is a majority who are for it (at the moment its 4-4 with the eags having an alt. version) then I say as soon as possible, which could be next year or the year after.

[ca]

Anyone know when this might be implemented? is next year too soon or are we talking a few years away.

If there is a majority who are for it (at the moment its 4-4 with the eags having an alt. version) then I say as soon as possible, which could be next year or the year after.

I took from the media realease that it had been passed by the clubs. Now it just has to be passed by the SANFL commision?

[TigerBoss]

Anyone know when this might be implemented? is next year too soon or are we talking a few years away.

If there is a majority who are for it (at the moment its 4-4 with the eags having an alt. version) then I say as soon as possible, which could be next year or the year after.

I took from the media realease that it had been passed by the clubs. Now it just has to be passed by the SANFL commision?

From the press release - "The majority of League Directors were in favour of the proposed changes."

The Bays were in favour of the 17s and 19s structure initially...given the statement above, I think it sounds like we're still in favour of this concept. Having said that, I have no "inside" information on this matter, so may be incorrect.

[Ian]

From nafc.com.au

http://www.nafc.com.au/news/p1412.aspx

SANFL Underage Structure Review

Tuesday, August 5


SANFL UNDERAGE STRUCTURE REVIEW

This evening (Tuesday, August 5), the SANFL Commission met with League Directors to discuss a proposed new structure for the SANFL's underage competitions and talented player pathway.

The meeting afforded League Directors the opportunity to further consider key elements of the proposal.

The key elements include the establishment of Centres of Excellence at each SANFL club and the introduction of a new Elite Under 18 competition supported by a truncated Under 16 competition, which would replace the existing Under 17/Under 19 competitions.

This proposed new structure aims to increase the number of underage players progressing to SANFL League football, increase the composition of South Australian players in SANFL League teams, enhance the performance of the state's Under 18 team in the National Championships and increase the number of South Australians drafted to the AFL.


The majority of League Directors were in favour of the proposed changes.


The decision rests with the Commission, which meets later this month.


For further information please contact:

Melanie Reid

Communications Manager

South Australian National Football League
Phone: 8440 6903

Mobile: 0437 294 197

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Majority - it doesn't seem to matter if it's by 1 vote or unanimous, but what exactly was the margin?

[whatever]

oh crap

[cd]

Article in today's paper only talks about 9 directors - however the SANFL set up has 10 league directors - one for each SANFL club and one director representing the affliated leagues (appointed by the affliated leagues). All directors are equal and have one vote each.

[Wedgie]

Article in today's paper only talks about 9 directors - however the SANFL set up has 10 league directors - one for each SANFL club and one director representing the affliated leagues (appointed by the affliated leagues). All directors are equal and have one vote each.

So 6 out of 10 voted for the change then CD?

[Dogwatcher]

I'd imagine if the affiliated leagues did vote, they would vote in favour of the change.

[Wedgie]

I'd imagine if the affiliated leagues did vote, they would vote in favour of the change.

Good point as another positive from the idea is that clubs at a local level would be benifitted, that's a huge bonus these days IMHO.