AFL Reserves Discussion...

[The Sleeping Giant]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

Name names then. Don't be a gutless prick if it means you won't go to sanfl games any more. Christ some people are pathetic.

I will be just one of many that will not accept having our own players playing against us . Nobody else names names so why should I, You're an expert work it out!!!!

Well I can tell you North Adelaide's president has said no way in hell will North Adelaide vote in favour of Afl reserve teams playing in the SANFL comp. Was told along with 100 other people, and he also told the people there to spread his words.

If you feel so strongly about the issue, tell us which official told you that it was a done deal, or S.T.F.U.

There has been enough bullshit posted in this thread. If you want the sanfl to survive as is, you would name the person.

If your only problem is you don't want Bernie Vince and Nick Salter playing against the Eagles then you are just being selfish. The issue is bigger than a couple of players that won't be on an afl list in 2 years time. FFS.

[Reddeer]

well you cover yourself in glory with all your abuse, Sleeping Giant

[The Sleeping Giant]

Keep posting gutless here say mate.

[CUTTERMAN]

Bar the vitriol, I'd have to say I agree with TSG. If people know of underhanded dealings then its time to out names. We as SANFL supporters have been duped far too many times by many in charge or places of influence.

[Ian]

Definitely another issue. But for most people I know grew up supporting a club their parents follow. So if their parents are supporting say centrals then I'd suspect the kids to follow centrals. The ones that the club did lose to the crows or power sides would probably have no effect the club, as more then likely they wouldn't have a membership or very rarely go to games. I suppose it comes down to if they are more a sanfl fan or a afl fan.

In theory your logic might have some merit, in practice if that is what you believe you are either too young to remember the Crows (and maybe Port) entry into the AFL or you had your head buried in the sand at the time.
Attendance fell off dramatically when the Crows entered the AFL and again significantly when the Power was formed.
You cant say:
"The ones that the club did lose to the crows or power sides would probably have no effect the club, as more then likely they wouldn't have a membership or very rarely go to games"
If they didn't have the option available to attend a AFL game most would that jumped ship would most likely still be attending the footy and purchasing club memberships that were always available to them.

[whufc]

Definitely another issue. But for most people I know grew up supporting a club their parents follow. So if their parents are supporting say centrals then I'd suspect the kids to follow centrals. The ones that the club did lose to the crows or power sides would probably have no effect the club, as more then likely they wouldn't have a membership or very rarely go to games. I suppose it comes down to if they are more a sanfl fan or a afl fan.

In theory your logic might have some merit, in practice if that is what you believe you are either too young to remember the Crows (and maybe Port) entry into the AFL or you had your head buried in the sand at the time.
Attendance fell off dramatically when the Crows entered the AFL and again significantly when the Power was formed.
You cant say:
"The ones that the club did lose to the crows or power sides would probably have no effect the club, as more then likely they wouldn't have a membership or very rarely go to games"
If they didn't have the option available to attend a AFL game most would that jumped ship would most likely still be attending the footy and purchasing club memberships that were always available to them.

Thats why i think if the SANFL is serious about setting itself for the next 100 years it needs to take the approach that its the 'family friendly cost affective alternative to the AFL'

If they go down the path of being an AFL 'reserves' competition they will be concined to being the 'inferior second rate develepoment comp'

Which imho would mean the only future support would come from SANFL first families which there probably isnt enough to keep the comp viable.

[whufc]

Sorry for the rant but im up early watching 'in the night garden' with a sick 2 year old.

The dissapointing part for me if the SANFL goes down the gurglar is that there is still genuine support for the SANFL clubs (which i think is a point of difference to the VFL clubs) A Norwood v West GF can still get 30k despite the main stream image both play unattractive football, Central v Eagles can still get 30k to a GF despite the repitive nature of it, it was only 5 years ago Glenelg v Sturt got 12k at a minor round game, South can still get 2k to a game despite years of mediocrity. If you were to walk around AAMI the next Crows home game and asked who also 'follows' an SANFL club i think their would be a high percentage.

The problem is i dont think the SANFL has done enough to try and turn that interest into larger crowd numbers. Programming Central vs Eagles at the exact same time the Crows are on at AAMI, Centrals next home game against Port Magpies is on the exact same time the Power is playing, that is ludicrious.

I would love the SANFL to experiment a bit, how about go to Centrals (sorry about the centraleaque nature of the post) and say the home game coming up against South is usually a small attender, what we want you to do is open the gates for this game, no entry fee for anyone. Yes the club loses money from the entrance fee but what happens if 3-4k show up and start spending money over the bar, in the canteens etc etc. The SANFL and CDFC would have figures that show matchday income, if it fails and Centrals run at a loss the SANFL could subsidse it as a one off and never repeat the exercise, if Centrals make a mint from it then you could be onto a winner.

The AFL attendances in Adelaide are dropping, there must be a reason for this (cost, style of football, the stadium etc etc). The SANFL should be doing all they can to find out why people are walking away from the AFL and become the league that fits the needs of the fans.

Not all will agree but maybe the Saturday afternoon timeslot needs to be a thing of the past. I know the SANFL traditionalists would hate the thought but you automatically eliminate to great an amount of your demographic due to ammos, country leagues etc etc. With Adelaide Oval back up next year there needs to be a Friday night game there every week for at least the first month and abit of the season.

With Adelaide Oval back up and running maybe there is the option to run triple header days at the Oval, imagine example only 12.00pm- West v Glenelg, 3pm- Central v North, 6pm Sturt v Norwood.

The SANFL is a great product, a mate of mine who is a massive Crows fan but has never had an interest in the SANFL came to his first game this year at Alberton between Port and Centrals. He LOVEEEEED it, the footy was hard and tough, there was passionate but respectable banter in the crowd, he was close to the action. If we can actually get people coming into grounds rather hearing the scores on 5AA there is a massive chance they will come back again.

If the SANFL is going to die i want to see it go down fighting rather then bending over and taking it up the bum from the AFL essentially prostituting itself for its survival.

[Wedgie]

AFL attendances are only dropping in Adelaide because 2 shit teams play out of Adelaide. Bandwagons soon fill up when teams are winning. Also the fact that Footy Park is a hole and getting worse every year. I wont go to one AFL game there this year, but will be going to most next year.

[CENTURION]

If the Crows are playing Geelong in Geelong, where will the crows reserves side be playing? Shouldn't they all be together? Isn't that the point of having a reserves side?

[Lynwood]

Sorry for the rant but im up early watching 'in the night garden' with a sick 2 year old.

The dissapointing part for me if the SANFL goes down the gurglar is that there is still genuine support for the SANFL clubs (which i think is a point of difference to the VFL clubs) A Norwood v West GF can still get 30k despite the main stream image both play unattractive football, Central v Eagles can still get 30k to a GF despite the repitive nature of it, it was only 5 years ago Glenelg v Sturt got 12k at a minor round game, South can still get 2k to a game despite years of mediocrity. If you were to walk around AAMI the next Crows home game and asked who also 'follows' an SANFL club i think their would be a high percentage.

The problem is i dont think the SANFL has done enough to try and turn that interest into larger crowd numbers. Programming Central vs Eagles at the exact same time the Crows are on at AAMI, Centrals next home game against Port Magpies is on the exact same time the Power is playing, that is ludicrious.

I would love the SANFL to experiment a bit, how about go to Centrals (sorry about the centraleaque nature of the post) and say the home game coming up against South is usually a small attender, what we want you to do is open the gates for this game, no entry fee for anyone. Yes the club loses money from the entrance fee but what happens if 3-4k show up and start spending money over the bar, in the canteens etc etc. The SANFL and CDFC would have figures that show matchday income, if it fails and Centrals run at a loss the SANFL could subsidse it as a one off and never repeat the exercise, if Centrals make a mint from it then you could be onto a winner.

The AFL attendances in Adelaide are dropping, there must be a reason for this (cost, style of football, the stadium etc etc). The SANFL should be doing all they can to find out why people are walking away from the AFL and become the league that fits the needs of the fans.

Not all will agree but maybe the Saturday afternoon timeslot needs to be a thing of the past. I know the SANFL traditionalists would hate the thought but you automatically eliminate to great an amount of your demographic due to ammos, country leagues etc etc. With Adelaide Oval back up next year there needs to be a Friday night game there every week for at least the first month and abit of the season.

With Adelaide Oval back up and running maybe there is the option to run triple header days at the Oval, imagine example only 12.00pm- West v Glenelg, 3pm- Central v North, 6pm Sturt v Norwood.

The SANFL is a great product, a mate of mine who is a massive Crows fan but has never had an interest in the SANFL came to his first game this year at Alberton between Port and Centrals. He LOVEEEEED it, the footy was hard and tough, there was passionate but respectable banter in the crowd, he was close to the action. If we can actually get people coming into grounds rather hearing the scores on 5AA there is a massive chance they will come back again.

If the SANFL is going to die i want to see it go down fighting rather then bending over and taking it up the bum from the AFL essentially prostituting itself for its survival.

There def needs to be more promotion to get people to games. I liked what the Eagles did when they played us and I think if clubs offer some discounted tickets to Power and Crows members you may find a few coming to games when they play away. I saw the Power trying to advertise for people to come yesterday but there was no offer for half price or free tickets to get people there. I think something like an offer to Crows and Power members to get saw 3-5 free games just to try to get them through the gates would help. I have also always thought that there needed to be these types of deals between the SANFL and the AFL clubs even to the point where you get a free AFL game at Footy Park with your SANFL membership. Instead all we hear about is the disagreements between the league and the two clubs.

[Harry the Horse]

well you cover yourself in glory with all your abuse, Sleeping Giant

Totally agree with TSG. Nobody deserves any confidentiality here, particularly if something underhanded has gone down. This is too big a deal.
I don't believe anything has been decided yet. There has been no vote taken by the clubs because nothing has been presented to them by the Crows and Power.
If however, you know of club or League officials who are saying otherwise, you need to "out" them because they need to be held accountable.

[on the rails]

Well the North CEO has told me this week NO DEAL has even been talked about as there has been no concrete proposal of any sort tabled by either the Power or Crows. There has been informal discussion of course - much as a result of media hype and speculation.

Despite what the AFL clubs may want of course to suit them at no cost and with no regard for the comp, and despite what the Commission might want or try and pressure the 8 SANFL Clubs, the final vote lies with the Clubs and their Directors and to date none will vote to have AFL Reserves Teams in the League Comp FULL STOP regardless of dollars offered as bribes etc. They are all concerned that if they cave in and have any AFL iunfluence then member numbers across the clubs will drop off in big numbers and that will certainly impact the long term viability / intergrity of the comp.

I suggest people on here and in the media making statements that it is a done deal are either guessing, reading more than is out there, jumping at shadows and the media is the main culprit but that would be the aim of the AFL Clubs to use "propaganda" to push their cause. As Basil Fawlty would say: "This is exactly how Nazi Germany started!

The only sensible voice in the media has been Rucci and his model which has alot of merit as the only viable option if we have to entertain AFL Reserves Teams in SA.

[dedja]

I never thought I'd see the day when the Tuscan wonder boy made sense ...

[CENTURION]

I never thought I'd see the day when the Tuscan wonder boy made sense ...

Rucci?

[Pseudo]

There def needs to be more promotion to get people to games. I liked what the Eagles did when they played us and I think if clubs offer some discounted tickets to Power and Crows members you may find a few coming to games when they play away. I saw the Power trying to advertise for people to come yesterday but there was no offer for half price or free tickets to get people there. I think something like an offer to Crows and Power members to get saw 3-5 free games just to try to get them through the gates would help. I have also always thought that there needed to be these types of deals between the SANFL and the AFL clubs even to the point where you get a free AFL game at Footy Park with your SANFL membership. Instead all we hear about is the disagreements between the league and the two clubs.

Ermmm... you already do get a free AFL game with your SANFL membership, do you not? As a GFC member I'm entitled to a double pass to 1 Port game and 1 Crows game each year (which I palm off on people who will appreciate it a whole lot more than myself). I had thought the same was true of the other SANFL clubs.

[CENTURION]

There def needs to be more promotion to get people to games. I liked what the Eagles did when they played us and I think if clubs offer some discounted tickets to Power and Crows members you may find a few coming to games when they play away. I saw the Power trying to advertise for people to come yesterday but there was no offer for half price or free tickets to get people there. I think something like an offer to Crows and Power members to get saw 3-5 free games just to try to get them through the gates would help. I have also always thought that there needed to be these types of deals between the SANFL and the AFL clubs even to the point where you get a free AFL game at Footy Park with your SANFL membership. Instead all we hear about is the disagreements between the league and the two clubs.

Ermmm... you already do get a free AFL game with your SANFL membership, do you not? As a GFC member I'm entitled to a double pass to 1 Port game and 1 Crows game each year (which I palm off on people who will appreciate it a whole lot more than myself). I had thought the same was true of the other SANFL clubs.

I delete it from my sponsorship package.

[CUTTERMAN]

Lynwood, you do get free AFL tickets with SANFL club memberships, I used my Adelaide ones for the Freo game and will maybe go to the Port v Sydney game.

[Pseudo]

The only sensible voice in the media has been Rucci

Reality as I understand it has just been inverted.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Instead of the AFL wasting millions and millions of dollars north of the Murray (GWS & GCFC) they should invest in a AFL reserves comp.

Would make both the SANFL & WAFL clubs very happy.

SANFL to reduce entry costs. Prices have steadily gone up over the last few years.

With the SAAFL being free and the SFL being a small fee they might become a better alternative for the family wallet. There is only so much money to go around.

[Lynwood]

There def needs to be more promotion to get people to games. I liked what the Eagles did when they played us and I think if clubs offer some discounted tickets to Power and Crows members you may find a few coming to games when they play away. I saw the Power trying to advertise for people to come yesterday but there was no offer for half price or free tickets to get people there. I think something like an offer to Crows and Power members to get saw 3-5 free games just to try to get them through the gates would help. I have also always thought that there needed to be these types of deals between the SANFL and the AFL clubs even to the point where you get a free AFL game at Footy Park with your SANFL membership. Instead all we hear about is the disagreements between the league and the two clubs.

Ermmm... you already do get a free AFL game with your SANFL membership, do you not? As a GFC member I'm entitled to a double pass to 1 Port game and 1 Crows game each year (which I palm off on people who will appreciate it a whole lot more than myself). I had thought the same was true of the other SANFL clubs.

I have never gotten that so it is good to hear they are doing something. Magpie members get the option to 'upgrade' and get entry into 3 Power games.