The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[Dutchy]

In a perfect world, do you want it back to how it used to be with AFL players spread out across all teams? or AFL players out of the league all together?

Either would be fine, having them completely out of the comp would allow the SANFL to grow though

[Booney]

In a perfect world, do you want it back to how it used to be with AFL players spread out across all teams? or AFL players out of the league all together?

Either would be fine, having them completely out of the comp would allow the SANFL to grow though

How do you propose it will grow then?

[Hazydog]

Cool, I guess Adelaide supporters will be happy with other AFL clubs having a higher salary cap than them in the AFL.

Yep I would be, as long as the other clubs with higher salary caps play only the reserves, kids, and top up players

These are the "reserves" that played for the Crows against Centrals - "Thompson, Mackay, Seedsman, Gore, Knight, Obrien, Cheney, Menzel & McGovern. That's without mentioning the kids, all of which would be solid contributors if they weren't drafted and remained with their State League clubs.

All of these would be "Gun" recruits at SANFL level so to have 9 'gun" recruits running around in your team, I reckon you would be pretty happy!

[Pseudo]

What cracka said.
If money decided who wins a football game, why aren't Crows and Port undefeated over the last few years?

Because the competition is now contrived.
There is also the "give a shit" factor. Something that we were all assured would not happen when the Crows were begging to be let in, now their coach buggers off whenever he feels like it to go watch the real Crows play. No matter what the state of the game of the actual team he is being paid to coach.

Come on MW, we have covered all of this ground a hundred times over, do you still need to be told by the likes of me, again?

You do realise there are two AFL sides in the SANFL?
So you're upset that they are not winning?

No, he's upset that they're in the SANFL.

[another grub]

After the rigged preliminary final last year thd sanfl can go get f@#ed

[stan]

After the rigged preliminary final last year thd sanfl can go get f@#ed

How much did you have on the crows to win that one?

[another grub]

A packet. Had them going to win the flag too.

Never have i seen a side play like that in finals. It was clearly rigged

[hollywood7477]

A packet. Had them going to win the flag too.

Never have i seen a side play like that in finals. It was clearly rigged

Are you serious. So your saying that the players that went out to play against Sturt actually didn't try. Abit of disrespect to Sturt isn't it. Any player does not matter if it is an AFL listed or a C7 never goes out to lose a game. I bet if you went to both the Crows reserves and Magpies players and said if you had a chance to play in a Grand Final no matter what comp would you not give a s**t and purposely lose and I bet every single player would jump at the chance to win a flag. I can guarantee your AFL career would be cut very short if the club found that you didn't try.

[cracka]

I didn't realise money affected a players ability.
Damn it...I wish someone paid me to play and I would of been a decent player!

You come across like a clever bloke MW so I'll assume you are deliberately missing the point, but in case I'm wrong and you really aren't that smart, I'll spell it out for you.

Paying players more money doesn't make them better players.
Better players command a higher salary, just like in any other line of work.
Having a higher salary cap enables a club to attract the better players because it can pay more.
Two teams in a league where their salary cap is significantly higher than the other teams competing in the same league, have a significant advantage over those other teams.

So would you agree a team with a salary cap 100 times greater, (or whatever the exact ratio is), than another team in the same league has an advantage. Or more to the point, do you think it is fair?

If it was all the best players on Adelaides & Ports lists then yeah its totally unfair but thats not the case. Its mainly the 2nd tier & rookie listed players that play in the SANFL.

I don't have access to the actual figures myself Cracka, but I would hazard a guess that those second tier and rookie players are also on a truckload more cash than the rest of the competition.
Are you then claiming that it would only be unfair if the wealthiest players in Australia competed in the SANFL, but seeing as the reserves, while far exceeding the salary of the top paid part time footballer in the SANFL, are not the wealthiest, then it is okay?
I am sure the SANFL regulars, while they are toiling away at their boiler-making, tile-laying, teaching, marine research, or whatever it is they must do to pay their mortgage, put food on the table and send their kids to school, are thanking their lucky stars that it is only the 2nd tier full time footballers who are being trained in the state of the art facilities, tended to by the nation's best sports doctors and taught the game by Australia's highest paid coaches, that they must play against on weekends.
Yeah, sounds COMPLETELY fair to me. Glad that the Crows fans realise that it would be totally unfair for the TOP paid players on their list to be playing in the SANFL.

So going by your theory, if someone wanted to sue a major company & can only afford a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law then the company should also only be able to have a lawyer who practices part time in that particular law instead of the 20 full time professional lawyers they usually have. Welcome to fantasy land where everything has to be fair & even.

[Dutchy]

In a perfect world, do you want it back to how it used to be with AFL players spread out across all teams? or AFL players out of the league all together?

Either would be fine, having them completely out of the comp would allow the SANFL to grow though

How do you propose it will grow then?

Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.

Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp

[Booney]

In a perfect world, do you want it back to how it used to be with AFL players spread out across all teams? or AFL players out of the league all together?

Either would be fine, having them completely out of the comp would allow the SANFL to grow though

How do you propose it will grow then?

Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.

Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp

So compete with amateur leagues on the same platforms that they base their operations? Community based, family friendly etc.

[Ronnie]

It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.

[Booney]

It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.

Bums on seats supports the clubs, TV rights pays the players.

[Booney]

In a perfect world, do you want it back to how it used to be with AFL players spread out across all teams? or AFL players out of the league all together?

Either would be fine, having them completely out of the comp would allow the SANFL to grow though

How do you propose it will grow then?

Play to the competitions strengths, suburban, tribal, local, 2nd tier footy based around the next best from the AFL....simply make it the competition that players want to be part of once their AFL career finishes or stalls. And one that the grassroots footballer wants to be part of.

Imagine a comp that seriously attracted ex-AFL players and the best of the Ammo's/Country (there are thousands playing each weekend that are good enough), it would be a serious 2nd tier comp

Would you be able to pay non-SA born recently delisted or retired AFL guys enough to move their families to SA?

Let's say a marquee player is currently getting $30-40,000. John Butcher, Paul Stewart, Mitch Grigg etc. What sort of coin would you need to flash in front of someone who wasn't born in SA, has no ties in SA, has never lived in SA, to move and play here at say age 24, 25 that has recently been delisted? At a guess, $80-100k plus? How many are you thinking each team would want, 2 or 3?

[amber_fluid]

It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.

This is a very good post.
I went to my first SANFL game this year with my son on the weekend and it was so much more enjoyable and affordable than the AFL.
I had change from $100 which never happens at Adelaide Oval.

I'll be going back to Gliderol Stadium more often now as the little fella loved it as he could run around and I could have a few beers whilst watching him and the footy at the same time.

Better value for money I reckon even if the standard isn't as good.

I suspect as people tighten the purse strings that the SANFL becomes more attractive and better value.

[Booney]

It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.

This is a very good post.
I went to my first SANFL game this year with my son on the weekend and it was so much more enjoyable and affordable than the AFL.
I had change from $100 which never happens at Adelaide Oval.

I'll be going back to Gliderol Stadium more often now as the little fella loved it as he could run around and I could have a few beers whilst watching him and the footy at the same time.

Better value for money I reckon even if the standard isn't as good.

I suspect as people tighten the purse strings that he SANFL becomes more attractive and better value.

That depends on many factors.

If you're a non-drinker, like my Mum, who takes her own food to Adelaide Oval, it's not that expensive with a 11 game season ticket.

If you're like me, a drinker, then a walk around to Alberton with 7 or 8 beers, admission and a pasty is more costly that Mum's day at AO.

[amber_fluid]

It will be interesting to see if there comes a time when struggling families, particularly in a state like SA, drop off in any meaningful number from the AFL, where they are helping to subsidize players who on average, will next year earn $370,000? The players in the AFL are so divorced from their own reality that some might have no choice if the disconnect gets any bigger. If that happens the SANFL and even some more prominent A1 clubs can hopefully get a bit more attention.

This is a very good post.
I went to my first SANFL game this year with my son on the weekend and it was so much more enjoyable and affordable than the AFL.
I had change from $100 which never happens at Adelaide Oval.

I'll be going back to Gliderol Stadium more often now as the little fella loved it as he could run around and I could have a few beers whilst watching him and the footy at the same time.

Better value for money I reckon even if the standard isn't as good.

I suspect as people tighten the purse strings that he SANFL becomes more attractive and better value.

That depends on many factors.

If you're a non-drinker, like my Mum, who takes her own food to Adelaide Oval, it's not that expensive with a 11 game season ticket.

If you're like me, a drinker, then a walk around to Alberton with 7 or 8 beers, admission and a pasty is more costly that Mum's day at AO.

I hate too admit it but I'm like you........

[another grub]

The beers taste awful when u have teams not trying (prelim) and umpires blatantly cheating (mark at 3/4 time). Lift ya game sanfl

[Ronnie]

What would it cost a family on average to have middle of the road reserved seats to 11 games of AFL footy at Adel Oval ?

[cracka]

I didn't realise money affected a players ability.
Damn it...I wish someone paid me to play and I would of been a decent player!

You come across like a clever bloke MW so I'll assume you are deliberately missing the point, but in case I'm wrong and you really aren't that smart, I'll spell it out for you.

Paying players more money doesn't make them better players.
Better players command a higher salary, just like in any other line of work.
Having a higher salary cap enables a club to attract the better players because it can pay more.
Two teams in a league where their salary cap is significantly higher than the other teams competing in the same league, have a significant advantage over those other teams.

So would you agree a team with a salary cap 100 times greater, (or whatever the exact ratio is), than another team in the same league has an advantage. Or more to the point, do you think it is fair?

If it was all the best players on Adelaides & Ports lists then yeah its totally unfair but thats not the case. Its mainly the 2nd tier & rookie listed players that play in the SANFL.

I don't have access to the actual figures myself Cracka, but I would hazard a guess that those second tier and rookie players are also on a truckload more cash than the rest of the competition.
Are you then claiming that it would only be unfair if the wealthiest players in Australia competed in the SANFL, but seeing as the reserves, while far exceeding the salary of the top paid part time footballer in the SANFL, are not the wealthiest, then it is okay?
I am sure the SANFL regulars, while they are toiling away at their boiler-making, tile-laying, teaching, marine research, or whatever it is they must do to pay their mortgage, put food on the table and send their kids to school, are thanking their lucky stars that it is only the 2nd tier full time footballers who are being trained in the state of the art facilities, tended to by the nation's best sports doctors and taught the game by Australia's highest paid coaches, that they must play against on weekends.
Yeah, sounds COMPLETELY fair to me. Glad that the Crows fans realise that it would be totally unfair for the TOP paid players on their list to be playing in the SANFL.

I'm sure everything you've said on this topic is exactly how the stand alone VFL teams feel when they play Carlton.