AFL Reserves Discussion...

[kickinit]

Shouldnt the crows and port be hounding the AFL for a reserves comp, isnt it the responsibilty of the AFL to satisfy the demands of its clubs?

Instead the SANFL are being held at a knifes edge and being forced to change or die

The salary of these reserve players are being funded by the crowds that attend "AFL" games, the SANFL should not be held responsible to facilitate the development of the reserve players. Its just not their problem

Sanderson couldnt careless about SANFL & why should he

Ideally that would be the best case then the reserves comp can play before the afl games. But this will still effect the SANFL with top up players.

The other point which we all don't know about is the finical situation of each club. While the SANFL have assets to be sold (football Park and AFL license) these should not be used to bank roll the SANFL. If it is used to bank roll the SANFL how long will it last, the money will soon run out and the SANFL will be in major trouble. With the AFL moving to AO that means less income for the SANFL, the clubs now have to work out how they are and also take in what if crowd numbers drop off. No point keeping the "integrity" of the game if it can't be sustained.

why will the money run out? If you use the money WISELY & re-invest with it, like SMART people & companies do, the money will make MORE money!

you must of read my post wrong. I was saying what you are. That should only be used to make the SANFL in a better financial position. Basically the SANFL need to survive without touching that money.

[marbles]

If only there was 1 afl team requiring a reserves side then say the crows reserves could play the sanfl team that has the bye each week

[LMA]

We certainly couldn't have change in this state of ours, let's continue to be a laughing stock of a state whether it be in football or in general and keep debating it for another 30 years. All for the reserves in the SANFL, I think over time would improve the standard and exposure of the comp. Die hard SANFL supporters remind me of that guy who thinks he has discovered a good band before anyone else and when they go mainstream and get popular he doesn't like them anymore.

It appears from the overall comments so far that Port fans are very progressive and open to change whereas everyone else is just stuck in the past and doomed to extinction.

How does this change sound to you:

It's been clear for quite a while that the PAFC in its current state is not sustainable. A few suggestions of change that might help:
- Potential relocation to another city to draw bigger and less fickle crowds. Hobart Power sounds like a good idea.
- Rebranding within SA. A name change to something like the Southern Power to attract people put off by the whole insular Port tribal mentality. Calling yourselves the Southern Power will highlight your link to SA - after all you complain a lot about the Crows calling themselvesThe Team For All South Australians. Perhaps you can embrace more of the SA part than the Alberton part of your identity.
- Change of colours to remove the black and white with a more vibrant feel to it.- Get rid of 1870 off the back of your guernsey and get rid of silly references to history and tradition in that children's nursery rhyme of a club song.

I'm sure you guys can think of a few more ideas that will help Port out.

After all you guys are just so open to the idea of change.

Happy brainstorming.

Hmmmmmm vibrant hey Bruuuce, maybe a shade of pink with some tassles and perhaps sponsored by the Mars Bar. Would that be vibrant enough for you. Sounds up your alley, pun intended.

History gibes from an Eagles and Crows fan BALLLLLLLLLLLLL! BALLLLLLLLLLL! BALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

[SDK]

Heard a few seconds of the 5AA Sat morning and Rucci was supporting the SANFL keeping the AFL reserves out. Dillion was similarly supportive.
Rucci did bring up a good point. The AFL are expected to again pick up a massive increase in TV rights soon so why can't they invest in a fully funded seperate from the VFL seconds comp ? Both teams travel and play the same day. Funding a seconds team for each AFL club would be petty cash for the AFL.
Travel and accommodation for 23 players is not that much more than for 46 ! Three to a room instead of 2 and get a sponsorship from an airline !
Second tier players are paid a similar wage to a rookie and ANY player can be elevated to senior status as is the case now.
Heard that Hawthorn/Box Hill and a few other clubs favour a second team totally alligned to them like Geelong and Co. Give the VFL back to the VFA like it was before. Sure the diehard Port Melbourne etc. supporters would love that.
From an AFL perspective they now again have 3 senior feeder leagues SANFL VFA WAFL and 4 junior feeder leagues .... the TAC U18 being the 4th.
This option will not weaken or destroy any comp but completely the opposite.

AFL if you want a seconds comp xxxxing pay for it !

[kickinit]

Heard a few seconds of the 5AA Sat morning and Rucci was supporting the SANFL keeping the AFL reserves out. Dillion was similarly supportive.
Rucci did bring up a good point. The AFL are expected to again pick up a massive increase in TV rights soon so why can't they invest in a fully funded seperate from the VFL seconds comp ? Both teams travel and play the same day. Funding a seconds team for each AFL club would be petty cash for the AFL.
Travel and accommodation for 23 players is not that much more than for 46 ! Three to a room instead of 2 and get a sponsorship from an airline !
Second tier players are paid a similar wage to a rookie and ANY player can be elevated to senior status as is the case now.
Heard that Hawthorn/Box Hill and a few other clubs favour a second team totally alligned to them like Geelong and Co. Give the VFL back to the VFA like it was before. Sure the diehard Port Melbourne etc. supporters would love that.
From an AFL perspective they now again have 3 senior feeder leagues SANFL VFA WAFL and 4 junior feeder leagues .... the TAC U18 being the 4th.
This option will not weaken or destroy any comp but completely the opposite.

AFL if you want a seconds comp xxxxing pay for it !

It will still effect the SANFL. For the AFL to have a reserves comp it would mean the clubs would need a larger list. At the moment the power have a list of 42 players and 7 injured. So they would only have 13 for the reserves team. At best they would need another 9 players to field a second team, I'd expect they would more then likely looking at a extra 15-20 players. While it's ok to think there is plenty of kids wanting to play league footy you have to look at the quality of the comp. Because if the power and crows are going to be paying guys to play you can guarantee they are going to be chasing guys that would be close to AFL standard. You take 30-40 of the best players out of the SANFL and were does that leave the comp, you could also have interstate clubs chasing players if they are good enough.

[CENTURION]

We certainly couldn't have change in this state of ours, let's continue to be a laughing stock of a state whether it be in football or in general and keep debating it for another 30 years. All for the reserves in the SANFL, I think over time would improve the standard and exposure of the comp. Die hard SANFL supporters remind me of that guy who thinks he has discovered a good band before anyone else and when they go mainstream and get popular he doesn't like them anymore.

It appears from the overall comments so far that Port fans are very progressive and open to change whereas everyone else is just stuck in the past and doomed to extinction.

How does this change sound to you:

It's been clear for quite a while that the PAFC in its current state is not sustainable. A few suggestions of change that might help:
- Potential relocation to another city to draw bigger and less fickle crowds. Hobart Power sounds like a good idea.
- Rebranding within SA. A name change to something like the Southern Power to attract people put off by the whole insular Port tribal mentality. Calling yourselves the Southern Power will highlight your link to SA - after all you complain a lot about the Crows calling themselvesThe Team For All South Australians. Perhaps you can embrace more of the SA part than the Alberton part of your identity.
- Change of colours to remove the black and white with a more vibrant feel to it.
- Get rid of 1870 off the back of your guernsey and get rid of silly references to history and tradition in that children's nursery rhyme of a club song.

I'm sure you guys can think of a few more ideas that will help Port out.

After all you guys are just so open to the idea of change.

Happy brainstorming.

if they didnt have the obvious connection to Port Adelaide, they would have had a lot more supporters, that's for sure!

[SDK]

The SANFL clubs would take the hit like they did when the Crows came in and when Power came in.
The SANFL would again recover.
FFS these additional players would be spread across ALL SANFL clubs not just one.
After all this shit is over and done with the SANFL clubs would again get on with the job and all SANFL lovers would again continue to support the club they love.

Get the xxxx out of our lives AFL and let us enjoy REAL football .... not xxxxing basketball !
Let our kids run on the oval and have a kick and a catch at the breaks.
Let the supporters have a drink and a chat with the players after the game.
Let people see players tackled HARD like they should be.
Let people hear the smack of body on body.
Let people go to a game and not have to mortgage the house to get in !

Do you really think the Centrals, Eagles, Sturt and Norwood supporters think any less of the flags they won after the Crows and Port came into being ? I certainly did'nt. I savoured the 2012 flag just as much as the 1997, 1984, 1982, 1978 and 1975 !

[kickinit]

The SANFL clubs would take the hit like they did when the Crows came in and when Power came in.
The SANFL would again recover.
FFS these additional players would be spread across ALL SANFL clubs not just one.
After all this shit is over and done with the SANFL clubs would again get on with the job and all SANFL lovers would again continue to support the club they love.

Get the xxxx out of our lives AFL and let us enjoy REAL football .... not xxxxing basketball !
Let our kids run on the oval and have a kick and a catch at the breaks.
Let the supporters have a drink and a chat with the players after the game.
Let people see players tackled HARD like they should be.
Let people hear the smack of body on body.
Let people go to a game and not have to mortgage the house to get in !

Do you really think the Centrals, Eagles, Sturt and Norwood supporters think any less of the flags they won after the Crows and Port came into being ? I certainly did'nt. I savoured the 2012 flag just as much as the 1997, 1984, 1982, 1978 and 1975 !

Yes it might not have a impact at all. But this isn't just about thinking whats going to happen to the SANFL over the next 2-3 years it's about the long term effect it is going to happen to the SANFL. What happens if ( and thats a if not a certain) SANFL becomes nothing more then a level of amateur football. You will then have guys thinking why would I play SANFL football and have that commitment when I can lay div 1 or country football have less commitment and get paid more. There are a lot of issues and a lot of numbering crunching to be done by SANFL clubs that none of use would know the answer to. All you can do is hope the model your club goes with is the model that will see them survive long past you have finished supporting them.

Obviously your a passionate Norwood supporter SDK, but I ask you this question. Norwood come out say and the only model we can see that would guarantee the survival of the Norwood Football Club is allowing the 2 AFL teams into the SANFL league comp, what would you think? Would you say stuff it i'm over football? or would you except it continue to follow your club and know it is best for your clubs survival?

[whufc]

Another worry for me with the reserves sides in the SANFL which i dont think has been brought up is the long term effect.

The Adelaide Crows are always going to have the biggest supporters base of any football team in the state. There also going to have the most children who support them.

IF the Crows have a side in the SANFL league comp what kids are going to support the Crows in the AFL and then support Centrals against the Crows in the SANFL. All kids will do is support both the Crows sides and the other 8 SANFL clubs will be left struggling for future support.

Will be no different to all the kids etc etc that grow up supporting Man United, why supporter South when the Crows are in the same league.

At least if the Crows were in a different league the kids that do grow up following the SANFL will follow and support one of the eight SANFL clubs.

I hope it makes sense, i dont know if i have got it across as the way it is meant.

It also makes me wonder what people who support say the Crows/Norwood would do. Would they stop supporting Norwood and just follow the reserves side instead. Clubs potentially could lose support from the move.

[whufc]

The SANFL clubs would take the hit like they did when the Crows came in and when Power came in.
The SANFL would again recover.
FFS these additional players would be spread across ALL SANFL clubs not just one.
After all this shit is over and done with the SANFL clubs would again get on with the job and all SANFL lovers would again continue to support the club they love.

Get the xxxx out of our lives AFL and let us enjoy REAL football .... not xxxxing basketball !
Let our kids run on the oval and have a kick and a catch at the breaks.
Let the supporters have a drink and a chat with the players after the game.
Let people see players tackled HARD like they should be.
Let people hear the smack of body on body.
Let people go to a game and not have to mortgage the house to get in !

Do you really think the Centrals, Eagles, Sturt and Norwood supporters think any less of the flags they won after the Crows and Port came into being ? I certainly did'nt. I savoured the 2012 flag just as much as the 1997, 1984, 1982, 1978 and 1975 !

Yes it might not have a impact at all. But this isn't just about thinking whats going to happen to the SANFL over the next 2-3 years it's about the long term effect it is going to happen to the SANFL. What happens if ( and thats a if not a certain) SANFL becomes nothing more then a level of amateur football. You will then have guys thinking why would I play SANFL football and have that commitment when I can lay div 1 or country football have less commitment and get paid more. There are a lot of issues and a lot of numbering crunching to be done by SANFL clubs that none of use would know the answer to. All you can do is hope the model your club goes with is the model that will see them survive long past you have finished supporting them.

Obviously your a passionate Norwood supporter SDK, but I ask you this question. Norwood come out say and the only model we can see that would guarantee the survival of the Norwood Football Club is allowing the 2 AFL teams into the SANFL league comp, what would you think? Would you say stuff it i'm over football? or would you except it continue to follow your club and know it is best for your clubs survival?

Thats a great question and having asked a fair few people the exact question i have heard a wide range of answers.

There is definatly a core out there that would rather see their side die or not be involved in football rather than support a side that becomes the AFL's puppets.

I know you will say the club will better off with these supporters but some i have heard this answer from are long term player and club sponsors/financial members/ex players etc etc.

[kickinit]

Another worry for me with the reserves sides in the SANFL which i dont think has been brought up is the long term effect.

The Adelaide Crows are always going to have the biggest supporters base of any football team in the state. There also going to have the most children who support them.

IF the Crows have a side in the SANFL league comp what kids are going to support the Crows in the AFL and then support Centrals against the Crows in the SANFL. All kids will do is support both the Crows sides and the other 8 SANFL clubs will be left struggling for future support.

Will be no different to all the kids etc etc that grow up supporting Man United, why supporter South when the Crows are in the same league.

At least if the Crows were in a different league the kids that do grow up following the SANFL will follow and support one of the eight SANFL clubs.

I hope it makes sense, i dont know if i have got it across as the way it is meant.

It also makes me wonder what people who support say the Crows/Norwood would do. Would they stop supporting Norwood and just follow the reserves side instead. Clubs potentially could lose support from the move.

Definitely another issue. But for most people I know grew up supporting a club their parents follow. So if their parents are supporting say centrals then I'd suspect the kids to follow centrals. The ones that the club did lose to the crows or power sides would probably have no effect the club, as more then likely they wouldn't have a membership or very rarely go to games. I suppose it comes down to if they are more a sanfl fan or a afl fan.

[RB]

Do you really think the Centrals, Eagles, Sturt and Norwood supporters think any less of the flags they won after the Crows and Port came into being ? I certainly did'nt. I savoured the 2012 flag just as much as the 1997, 1984, 1982, 1978 and 1975 !

I know what you mean. I certainly valued winning the flag in 2011, 2006 and 1993 as much as winning the flag in...um...yeah nah scratch that...

[whufc]

Do you really think the Centrals, Eagles, Sturt and Norwood supporters think any less of the flags they won after the Crows and Port came into being ? I certainly did'nt. I savoured the 2012 flag just as much as the 1997, 1984, 1982, 1978 and 1975 !

I know what you mean. I certainly valued winning the flag in 2011, 2006 and 1993 as much as winning the flag in...um...yeah nah scratch that...

Yeah same here!!!!!!

[SDK]

Good question kickinit.
I would say OK I will continue to follow my club with the same passion I always have since I was 8 years old.
One flaw in your argument. NO ONE except Port supporters believes the Crows and Port in the SANFL comp will do anything other than bugger it up. You Port bastards were happy to betray the SANFL for your own self interests and not hold firm like the rest of the SANFL clubs.... of course the PAFC are far more important than the whole state of South Australia !
Nothing has changed you are at it again with your own selfish goals. If the SANFL died the PAFC would laugh and say .... oh well we were part of that once but now we don't give a xxxx !

Why would a young lad want to play SANFL rather than SAAFL or country ? Because he has the best opportunity to reach the highest level in that comp ! The SANFL will always be the level AFL clubs will look for talent in this state. If a kid can not be bothered or motivated to play SANFL he will hardly cut it at AFL level.

[Reddeer]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

[kickinit]

Good question kickinit.
I would say OK I will continue to follow my club with the same passion I always have since I was 8 years old.
One flaw in your argument. NO ONE except Port supporters believes the Crows and Port in the SANFL comp will do anything other than bugger it up. You Port bastards were happy to betray the SANFL for your own self interests and not hold firm like the rest of the SANFL clubs.... of course the PAFC are far more important than the whole state of South Australia !
Nothing has changed you are at it again with your own selfish goals. If the SANFL died the PAFC would laugh and say .... oh well we were part of that once but now we don't give a xxxx !

Why would a young lad want to play SANFL rather than SAAFL or country ? Because he has the best opportunity to reach the highest level in that comp ! The SANFL will always be the level AFL clubs will look for talent in this state. If a kid can not be bothered or motivated to play SANFL he will hardly cut it at AFL level.

No what I'm sick and tired of hearing PAFC betrayed the SANFL. Look at the facts the SANFL had the chance to kiss goodbye PAFC for ever, did they? No. They had the chance to remove all ties with the PAFC but instead they wanted to be in charge and keep all ties with PAFC. So if your pissed off at anyone be pissed at the SANFL they are the ones that have brought this situation by keeping ties with the PAFC. Why should any club care about what any other club thinks. If PAFC had the chance to take the club to the next level and din't I would be annoyed that the club didn't take the chance. Why would any club back down because the opposition doesn't like it? I'm sure if it was any other SANFL club in PAFC position they would of made the same decision.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

Name names then. Don't be a gutless prick if it means you won't go to sanfl games any more. Christ some people are pathetic.

[UK Fan]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

Name names then. Don't be a gutless prick if it means you won't go to sanfl games any more. Christ some people are pathetic.

Harsh!!!!

I'm now hearing its league. Deals done .

It's all over!!!

[Reddeer]

Despite denials by the SANFL I was told today by a high ranking official who WOULD know that whilst it is the position of the club that things regarding AFL players does not change the Crows and Port will have teams in the SANFL league competition next year playing for premiership points. For me goodbye SANFL

Name names then. Don't be a gutless prick if it means you won't go to sanfl games any more. Christ some people are pathetic.

I will be just one of many that will not accept having our own players playing against us . Nobody else names names so why should I, You're an expert work it out!!!!

[The Sleeping Giant]

Harsh? The poster is saying deal is done, and he won't follow the sanfl anymore. Yet is posting here say. Name them or stfu.