National 2nd Tier Competiton Discussion

[Hondo]

The 5AA boys tried for 2 nights at least to get Kris Grant on and he refused and if I heard them right they said he eventually told them to talk with Norwood's CEO who would make everything clear.

I am not sure if he came on either. I thought it was strange Grant nominated Norwood CEO as the spokesman. Perhaps the story got muddled somewhere.

There's now conflicting stories on the sponsors logos and who wears the match day costs (Chandler says the AFL will pick up the costs, posters on here and the 5 clubs imply they will wear them) so something just doesn't sit right about this. Hopefully in time we get through the first year of it and the mystery of possible hidden agendas, impacts on finals chances, sponsors, etc are all solved and we can do it better in 2012.

[Dutchy]

Fair point about the sponsor, CP, but anything they get in this comp is extra to what they expected and gives them national exposure.

As Foxtel are sponsoring the whole comp (I presume), it would be reasonable for them to have the major exposure.

As I said, the club sponsor is getting extra exposure (albeit minor), totally free.

Hang on 2 days ago R&B, when challenged, you still guaranteed clubs major sponsor would be on the clubs jumper, despite Chandler saying otherwise earlier in the week.

[Dutchy]

2 Threads merged

[Rik E Boy]

Apologies for not reading all of the posts in this thread.

If this comp is deemed to be not in the majority of the SANFL clubs interests why has Port, North and West put their hands up while the top four sides from last year have not? Surely it's one in all in or everyone out.

regards,

REB

[doggies4eva]

Apologies for not reading all of the posts in this thread.

If this comp is deemed to be not in the majority of the SANFL clubs interests why has Port, North and West put their hands up while the top four sides from last year have not? Surely it's one in all in or everyone out.

regards,

REB

Hehe, hey REB if the clubs had all stuck together about 20 years ago we would not have still been talking about a 2nd tier comp.

It is fitting that Port after being bailed out by the league does not stick with the majority of clubs - discppointed with the others though.

And Dutchie - R&B is another of the posters on this site that cannot tell the difference bewteen fact and opinion

[Apachebulldog]

Too many gullible people around who are easily sucked in by the AFL/VFL ,Centrals only aim and ambition is to play Grand Finals especially after all those years in the wilderness so if you guys wanna watch a mickey mouse competition which has a fantastic prize of 40,000 shekels wow then enjoy it.

[spell_check]

Too many gullible people around who are easily sucked in by the AFL/VFL ,Centrals only aim and ambition is to play Grand Finals especially after all those years in the wilderness so if you guys wanna watch a mickey mouse competition which has a fantastic prize of 40,000 shekels wow then enjoy it.

It's actually worth noting that all of the past 11 premierships have been won by three of the teams who have declined to participate in this competition, and if you wanted to rank teams over the past ten years they are the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ranked clubs.

[zipzap]

Thought McDermott's article today was an (amazingly enough) excellent summary and gave some balance after Cornsey's disgraceful AFL-slanted tirade in yesterday's paper

[redandblack]

Apologies for not reading all of the posts in this thread.

If this comp is deemed to be not in the majority of the SANFL clubs interests why has Port, North and West put their hands up while the top four sides from last year have not? Surely it's one in all in or everyone out.

regards,

REB

Hehe, hey REB if the clubs had all stuck together about 20 years ago we would not have still been talking about a 2nd tier comp.

It is fitting that Port after being bailed out by the league does not stick with the majority of clubs - discppointed with the others though.

And Dutchie - R&B is another of the posters on this site that cannot tell the difference bewteen fact and opinion

That's your opinion, of course

[redandblack]

Thought McDermott's article today was an (amazingly enough) excellent summary and gave some balance after Cornsey's disgraceful AFL-slanted tirade in yesterday's paper

That's also opinion

[DOC]

I thought his article was essentially a cut and paste of the "negative" views on this thread.

Looks like a job for Media Watch!

[nickname]

And Dutchie - R&B is another of the posters on this site that cannot tell the difference bewteen fact and opinion

I reckon he'll be able to discern that that's just an opinion.

[Barto]

Thought McDermott's article today was an (amazingly enough) excellent summary and gave some balance after Cornsey's disgraceful AFL-slanted tirade in yesterday's paper

Summary for those of us without access to the Mail?

[fish]

Thought McDermott's article today was an (amazingly enough) excellent summary and gave some balance after Cornsey's disgraceful AFL-slanted tirade in yesterday's paper

Summary for those of us without access to the Mail?

...or refuse to read it because it's a load of @#$%&!

[doggies4eva]

Instead of speculation and guessing, how about some facts.

This is extra exposure for sponsors.

Their logos will, repeat will, be on the guernsey.

National exposure, free.

Move on to the next 'problem'.

What sounds like a fact but is an opinion?

[redandblack]

That remains to be seen, but I agree, my opinion is that sponsors will get exposure.

If they get none, they're no worse off than they are now, so I can't see that it's an issue anyway

[Big Phil]

Thought McDermott's article today was an (amazingly enough) excellent summary and gave some balance after Cornsey's disgraceful AFL-slanted tirade in yesterday's paper

Summary for those of us without access to the Mail?

Better still Barto, below is the full article...

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/san ... 5973285102

[doggies4eva]

That remains to be seen, but I agree, my opinion is that sponsors will get exposure.

If they get none, they're no worse off than they are now, so I can't see that it's an issue anyway

You obviously haven't dealt with many sponsors

[Dutchy]

I think there is 2 clear arguments for and against here and I can see the pros/cons for both, hence why there is plenty of debate on here and elsewhere.

And as the clubs have shown I think the comp (in its current form) is a right fit for some clubs but not others.

Respect the right of those clubs to decline and for those to accept.

[rd]

Do I agree with Graham Cornes for once in his Saturday Advertiser column? Yes it is the responsibility of every club to represent SA when given the opportunity. State matches between South Australia and either the VFL or the WAFL no longer generate state pride for me BUT if Central District defeated Claremont to claim the Champions League Premiership, then I would be thrilled with that result. Weird seeing I barrack for Sturt.
Our leading SANFL clubs have declined the invitation to contest the 2011 Champions League for various reasons. They are not happy in giving up their byes from the SANFL program. Are they making the modern players look a bit soft?
In 1976 Port Adelaide was one of four SANFL teams contesting the National Football League Cup – played primarily as a mid week competition at Norwood Oval under lights in addition to the regular SANFL season conducted on Saturdays. Their football program for the month of June 1976 (after belting Torrens at Football Park by 68 points on Saturday May 29) was – June 1 defeated Footscray by 34 points at Norwood Oval, June 5 victory over South at Adelaide Oval by 34 points, June 12 a tight 161 point win over Central District at Football Park, June 15 a 50 point loss to North Melbourne at Norwood Oval and then a rest until June 26 when they won by 20 points over Glenelg at the Bay. Yes a heavy schedule yet Port still played in the 1976 Grand Final and I doubt their loss to Sturt in that game can be attributed to the extra games they played three months earlier.
The good players respond to the challenge. Russell Ebert was high in the best players for Port in all those games except the North Melbourne clash which he missed due to being hospitalised with an eye injury suffered during the game against Central District three days earlier.
South Adelaide won the NFL Escort cup during the 1979 SANFL season and yet still played the SANFL Grand Final that year. And they have missed many Grand Finals over the years when there was no additional competition to worry about.
North Adelaide enjoyed a famous victory over Collingwood in Melbourne in 1986 and even got to return to Melbourne later on in the season to get slaughtered by Hawthorn – but was still able to qualify for the SANFL Grand Final in the same season.
As Cornes wrote – all it took was player management.
The fans love these special games. Did Norwood fans enjoy the night their side killed Carlton by 106 points in front of 7500 stunned onlookers at Norwood in 1976?
This new Champions League has the potential to become something special. Yes it is designed for television but that is sporting life these days. Yes players may get injured in a game but they can also get injured on the training track or playing for South Australia in a state game. For young players hoping to enter the AFL system, the chance to travel with your club to an interstate venue to play a game of footy in front of an unsympathetic crowd would give them a real taste of the AFL lifestyle.
Both camps need to give a bit to get a bit with this competition. The organisers should have the opening rounds played pre-season so then the impact would be lessened on the various state leagues regular season as the Champions League would be done and dusted by June so then everyone could rightly focus on their respective premierships without any distractions. An early March Friday night double header at Norwood Oval featuring WWT Eagles & Central District playing their opening Champions League matches would draw at least 8000 to the ground.
Our SANFL clubs are acting very precious. South Australia’s tradition in defying national trends and ideas always looks so silly – the SANFL comp will never outperform the AFL circus so it is much easier to just go with the flow, get a bit of prize money if you’re good enough and give the kids at your club a chance to taste the big time and also let everyone involved at your club represent South Australia for a game.
Go for it SANFL clubs – boost your profile for a season and see what happens…