Magpies and Power merger to be announced in a fortnight.

[csbowes]

To be fair to SA football the licenses should have been divided between the Clubs with say 4 clubs aligned to the Crows and 5 clubs aligned to the other license. There would be much less risk this way of one Club being completely strapped for cash as is the case now.

I disagree.

I voted against Sturt/Norwood getting the license because when it comes down to it, Port Adelaide were clearly the best club to go forward as a single entity, the other 9 clubs were not worthy. I think the Port" and the rest" idea was the best one. Otherwise you'd have Port, with 30% of the supporter base, playing equal fiddle to say Torrens, Woodville, Centrals, Glenelg and South, why would you swallow that as a Port fan?

Likewise you'd then have some half cocked Sturt-Norwood-North-West combo. It just means we would have had two meaningless entities going into the big league. When the clubs started up initially, you needed to bring SANFL fans on board. The best way to do that was by having a "team for all SA", while that phrase makes me puke, its was the right idea. Following up on that, you then want the team that the supporters of the "team for all SA" hate, that was Port. Bring in Sturt or Norwood and half the Crows fans would love them.

Bring in Port and 3/4 of them hate them immediately.

[csbowes]

From the SANFL tonight...

Monday, November 15, 2010

ONE PORT ADELAIDE PROPOSAL APPROVED

The SANFL League Directors tonight voted unanimously in favour of the One Port Adelaide proposal.

SANFL Executive Commissioner Leigh Whicker said the administrative merger between the Port Adelaide Football Club and the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club would benefit both entities as well as the wider South Australian football community.

“The Directors agreed that the One Port Adelaide proposal would result in a financially stronger Port Adelaide Football Club, an underpinning of the Magpies’ future in the SANFL competition and a financially stronger SANFL,” Mr Whicker said.

“All of these results are critical for the ongoing prosperity of football in South Australia, for which the SANFL is responsible.

“It is now up to the members of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club to vote on necessary changes to their club’s constitution at a special meeting tomorrow night to allow Port Adelaide to become one.”

Mr Whicker and representatives from both the Power and Magpies will discuss the proposal in detail at a media conference at Alberton Oval tomorrow (Tuesday, November 16) from 11am.

I'll be interested to see what the Sturt GM and President tell me on AGM night... I'd like to know how this is all going to work, as I still can't see how the SANFL is not now guaranteeing the survival of one SANFL club, but ignoring the other 8.

[csbowes]

It's only a matter of time before they start screaming for a reserves side and abusing everyone who opposes it conveniently forgetting they not only agreed to not have a reserves side, but put forward the point in their proposal.

Agreed.

This is like Sturt getting back to Unley... once your foots in the door, you can slowly pry it open. Now that the Pies are a department within the Power, it won't be long before the Power are in the SANFL.

Ditto Crows 5 minutes later...

[csbowes]

Glad its finally done. Now no more excuses from port. Be funny in 5 years time when port is still playing infront of 20,000 people at adelaide oval and losing more money than the greek economy. Maybe the sanfl will sell the license off, the Tassie Power has a good ring to it

Even on the back of an ordinary season Port Adelaide averaged 25,000 to their games, But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story?

Even with that number at Kardinia Park, Geelong make $500K profit, while under the current deal Port would lose $150K. The stadium deal at Adelaide Oval will no doubt be much more favourable.

Agreed.

AAMI is what is killing Port. They need to move to their own home ground. AAMI is a Crows ground.

It looks, feels, smells like one.

Absorbing PAMFC has no bearing on the change in their financial position, the AO deal is what will turn it around.

On that front, I'm all supportive of their move there.

[csbowes]

AS a SA Footy follwer I would be happy for them to to offered greater support by the SANFL if they were trying to broaden their marketability and membership and supporter appeal, as per what ahs been demosntrated to work by other AFL clubs.

I can completely understand this line of thinking... I really can...

In fact, I can't really fault it...

BUT...

I really hate the idea of having the Adelaide Crows and the Port Adelaide Crows in this town... I'm losing interest in the AFL as it is because its becoming so benign and corporate... I don't want another hybrid, stands for nothing club like Adelaide...

I think the mistake Port made was trying to become a "team for all SA" like the other mob... they should have stayed Magpie oriented through and through... they lost their way...

[csbowes]

You raise a good argument re: looking outside the state for opportunities (which the club is doing with Darwin), but in reality, has changing name to the Western Bulldogs or Kangaroos helped those clubs?

Damn good point...

I'm a North Melbourne fan and I think we missed our opportunity. I'd love to stay in Melbourne and remain being called North Melbourne and have more Carey's, but when it comes down to it, we've tried, no one loves, well not many anyway and it just damn well isn't working and so we keep prostituting ourselves around the country trying to scrounge dollars.

The AFL made the mistake of propping up failing clubs, now they are basically obligated to help everyone survive. They should have forced North Melbourne to move to the Gold Coast and be the 16th team there. Then we could avoid this GWS nonsense. The AFL has chosen to go down the NRL 22-team super league path and we all saw what a bog hole that turned into.

We are now on the cusp of more teams drawing on a non-increasing pool of decent players, result, crappier teams overall.

[csbowes]

OK. It has been reported as unanimously approved so they must have presented a convincing case for the financial merger with suitable promises of functional separation.

I take it from that statement you've had nothing to do with SANFL clubs?

Do any of us need to go into detail about the myriad of unbelievably stupid decisions our clubs have made with unanimous board approval?

As a Sturt fan, I reckon I can come up with a couple.

[csbowes]

1.Magpies now have achieved something that no other SANFL club can have , be financially underwitten
SANFL/AFL underwrites Power who underwrites Magpies.

Ahh gee wizz... didn't take me too long to find a recent example of a unanimously supported dumb ass decision by SANFL clubs.

[csbowes]

The Black n' Whites should have never been kicked out of Alberton Oval in the first place.

Port Power should have begun from Adelaide Oval in the first place.

The SANFL management has made mistakes.

They are 2 seperate identities....? What?

I remember drinking at Alberton in the early days of AFL.

Watching Tim Evans and Co, laughing together, being proud.

But something made me feel uneasy. Something was not right.

The real Port was kicked out.

Is it now time for a teal something on the old Port Magpies jail jumper?

If only Port Power could drop the teal and play in the prison bars.

We messed up West Torrens.

Lets learn by our mistakes.

I completely agree. I think this is the 2nd time this calendar year we've completely agreed.

Maybe you should barrack for Sturt.

[csbowes]

If not, question why your clubs directors chose to vote for the proposal. Each one had a say.

I like Port Adelaide, but this decision was wrong.

I will be asking my club directors what the hell they were thinking.

My expectation will be a diplomatic, political response.

No excuse can be given by Sturt as to why we have guaranteed the survival of another club while we remain burly.

[csbowes]

Serious questions and I'm wondering if anyone has serious and correct answers.
Question- What happens to Adelaide's SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs, do the Magpies get a slice of this still?

Question- What happens to Power's SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs, do all the other clubs still get a slice?

I think that this is the current stance ( I could be wrong)

I believe that both Power and Crows still provide SANFL with monies consistent with the current arrangements.

SANFL will now only provide the other 8 SANFL clubs with dividend , PAFC (One) will not recieve this dividend, However will continue to receive financial assitance from the SANFL if required.

However the Power will have the option to pump any potential profits into the Magpies first and then release the left overs as a dividend for the other 8 clubs, they will always have the option to protect their own.

[finn]

Glad its finally done. Now no more excuses from port. Be funny in 5 years time when port is still playing infront of 20,000 people at adelaide oval and losing more money than the greek economy. Maybe the sanfl will sell the license off, the Tassie Power has a good ring to it

Even on the back of an ordinary season Port Adelaide averaged 25,000 to their games, But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story?

Even with that number at Kardinia Park, Geelong make $500K profit, while under the current deal Port would lose $150K. The stadium deal at Adelaide Oval will no doubt be much more favourable.

Agreed.

AAMI is what is killing Port. They need to move to their own home ground. AAMI is a Crows ground.

It looks, feels, smells like one.

Absorbing PAMFC has no bearing on the change in their financial position, the AO deal is what will turn it around.

On that front, I'm all supportive of their move there.

anyone else find it ironic that the ground closest to port feels like home to the team and fans called adelaide while port and its supporters want to play at adelaide...


just swap names say I...

[Ronnie]

Glad its finally done. Now no more excuses from port. Be funny in 5 years time when port is still playing infront of 20,000 people at adelaide oval and losing more money than the greek economy. Maybe the sanfl will sell the license off, the Tassie Power has a good ring to it

Even on the back of an ordinary season Port Adelaide averaged 25,000 to their games, But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story?Even with that number at Kardinia Park, Geelong make $500K profit, while under the current deal Port would lose $150K. The stadium deal at Adelaide Oval will no doubt be much more favourable.

Agreed.

AAMI is what is killing Port. They need to move to their own home ground. AAMI is a Crows ground.

It looks, feels, smells like one.

Absorbing PAMFC has no bearing on the change in their financial position, the AO deal is what will turn it around.

On that front, I'm all supportive of their move there.

anyone else find it ironic that the ground closest to port feels like home to the team and fans called adelaide while port and its supporters want to play at adelaide...


just swap names say I...

23,044 average which puts Port last as far as home match attendances are concerned. That's right, wooden spooners for crowds in the AFL. Hardly something to be deemed acceptable i would've thought.

[LPH]

Wow... 11 posts by the same person on the one page !!!

Cue Spelly... is that a record???

[Booney]

Wow... 11 posts by the same person on the one page !!!

Cue Spelly... is that a record???

Doubt it. You follow Big Phil's updates?

[Big Phil]

Wow... 11 posts by the same person on the one page !!!

Cue Spelly... is that a record???

Doubt it. You follow Big Phil's updates?

Hey you...

[X Runna]

Serious questions and I'm wondering if anyone has serious and correct answers.
Question- What happens to Adelaide's SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs, do the Magpies get a slice of this still?

Question- What happens to Power's SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs, do all the other clubs still get a slice?

I think that this is the current stance ( I could be wrong)

I believe that both Power and Crows still provide SANFL with monies consistent with the current arrangements.

SANFL will now only provide the other 8 SANFL clubs with dividend , PAFC (One) will not recieve this dividend, However will continue to receive financial assitance from the SANFL if required.

However the Power will have the option to pump any potential profits into the Magpies first and then release the left overs as a dividend for the other 8 clubs, they will always have the option to protect their own.

Aren't the Power limited to 1.36 million they can give to the Magpies? That was the average spend of the 9 SANFL clubs last year.

[CUTTERMAN]

But do they still get a dividend? If so, which I've been led to believe they do, I gather this is obviously kept separate from the Power, otherwise this is double dipping.

[csbowes]

Wow... 11 posts by the same person on the one page !!!

Cue Spelly... is that a record???

Doubt it. You follow Big Phil's updates?

Hey you...

I can crap on like the best of them... ask anyone on here!

[Barto]

I think the mistake Port made was trying to become a "team for all SA" like the other mob... they should have stayed Magpie oriented through and through... they lost their way...

I'm thinking the opposite. It still should've been Port but they could've marketed themselves as the team for the rest of South Australia rather than becoming more insular. Perhaps I've read BigFooty too much and the attitude of the rest of the Port supporter base could be the opposite but I've seen this underlying "eff off, we dont need you supporting us anyway" thought process. People saying that if they lose a few Magpie people who hate the Power, then it doesn't matter it's only a few, if the non-Magpie SANFL supporters who barrack for the Power are disenfranchised, then so be it it's only a few, we can do without them anyway etc..

If you've got a big group of friends and every now and again you told someone to "eff off, I dont need you", then dont wonder why you're sitting alone a few years down the track.

The thing with Port staying insular is that there isn't enough of them for the national stage and we see that with their crowds despite having a premiership under their belt. They should've gone from strength to strength after that but it's been the opposite.

I feel that one of the reasons that the SANFL is still getting reasonable and increasing crowds is because of Port. If you're not a fan of the Corporate Crows and weren't a Port supporter, then the option for live footy remains at the local level. This is where Freo have won off field, they've got a club feel but they're not a traditional club that only welcomes Easts and South Freo people, it really is the team that is the local choice if you're not into the Eagles. Despite the lack of onfield success, they're smashing Port for crowds, marketability and financial strength. So much so with the latter that the AFL now considers them a super club liable for levy to help out the poorer clubs.

I dont think Andy D really cares about Port that much, he only cares about having 22 games in Adelaide per season and if it were the Greater Southern Adelaide Power in the league, it wouldn't make a scrap of difference to people like him.

In a traditional football state, then both teams should be profitable. If Port cant start turning things around now then the football in SA is in deep trouble, because if they go down, then they'll take the SANFL with them. This is why the merger was approved this time, along with a better model presented by Port.

I guess the only proof if the merger is the way to will be with the Port memership and crowd figures next year.