Indigenous round?

[wildcat]

'Cause the carpark at Elizabeth Oval will be smelling of rubber for weeks.

It's OK though because the tyres came from someone elses car, usually off the vehicle of a supporter of the team they played the week before

[therisingblues]

You are right about the sequence of the Danelaw being established, I must have had my brain turned off at the time of that post - I was having a busy day.
However, the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes (Jutlanders IIRC) were, like the Gotlanders and Friesians, some of many tribes from the northern (future) Germany and southern Scandinavian regions who went "Viking", which we tend to forget was an activity rather than a tribe or nation. The history I read recently suggested some of them were indeed hired as mercenaries to hold off the Picts as well as, later, other bands dropping in for a little "Viking", and just stayed rather than leave, taking over some territories, before the "Viking" tribes were powerful and organised enough to create the Danelaw.
(The Welsh tribes seem to have resisted "Angle-isation" well though.)
The Celtic culture seemed to be spread from Ireland to northern Italy, and beyond, but I agree there is uncertainty about how much was settlement - invited or uninvited - and how much merely cultural influence.
(Of course in that era people tended to just move around and boundaries were probably rather fluid.)
I enjoyed a book called "How the Irish saved Civilisation."
It quotes, and displays pictures of, some old Friesian texts found in Ireland, which shows those guys got around..

I am unaware of the word "Viking" ever being used as a verb, but I never studied the etymology of it either. Generally when we speak of Vikings, we mean that group of Skandinavians who, for reasons not entirely clear, began running havoc around the 8th to 10th centuries. I'd think that referring to the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain as part of a Viking conquest would be a little unusual, but I haven't read what you have.
What amazes me most about England's history, is just what a hotch-potch of different races the English people are. Perhaps the best book I have read regarding this is Edward Rutherford's "London", which is a novel, but lays out the evolution of the English people very well.

[topsywaldron]

A round for the most persecuted people in the world. The White Male Anglo-Saxon Round.

Best post I've read on this site

In a bunched field, it's one of the dumbest.

[CENTURION]

A round for the most persecuted people in the world. The White Male Anglo-Saxon Round.

Best post I've read on this site

In a bunched field, it's one of the dumbest.

tsk, there's no pleasing some.

[Psyber]

I am unaware of the word "Viking" ever being used as a verb, but I never studied the etymology of it either. Generally when we speak of Vikings, we mean that group of Skandinavians who, for reasons not entirely clear, began running havoc around the 8th to 10th centuries. I'd think that referring to the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain as part of a Viking conquest would be a little unusual, but I haven't read what you have.
What amazes me most about England's history, is just what a hotch-potch of different races the English people are. Perhaps the best book I have read regarding this is Edward Rutherford's "London", which is a novel, but lays out the evolution of the English people very well.

Technically it was not originally a verb but an activity one can undertake, but the language shifted just as ours does..
Wikipedia is not the most authoritative source but it is easy to hand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking

The Old Norse feminine noun víking refers to an expedition overseas. It occurs in Viking Age runic inscriptions and in later medieval writings in set expressions such as the phrasal verb fara í víking "to go on an expedition".
In later texts such as the Icelandic sagas, the phrase "to go viking" implies participation in raiding activity or piracy, and not simply seaborne missions of trade and commerce. The related Old Norse masculine noun víkingr appears in Viking Age skaldic poetry and on several rune stones found in Scandinavia, where it refers to a seaman or warrior who takes part in an expedition overseas. The form also occurs as a personal name on some Swedish rune stones. There is little indication of any negative connotation in the term before the end of the Viking Age.
Regardless of its possible origins, the word was used to indicate an activity and those who participated in it, and not to any ethnic or cultural group.

The same is reported in Gwyn Jones, "A History of the Vikings". Oxford University Press http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwyn_Jones_%28author%29

[csbowes]

A round for the most persecuted people in the world. The White Male Anglo-Saxon Round.

Best post I've read on this site

In a bunched field, it's one of the dumbest.

tsk, there's no pleasing some.

Amazing isn't it... suggest a white round (even tongue-in-cheek) and you're a nazi, suggest an indigenous round and you're Nelson Mandela...

... topsy misses the basic point, no one is saying we shouldn't celebrate their contribution to the game, but how about we celebrate those contributions based on acts on the sporting field rather than by skin colour or ethinicity.

There's no reason why we can't have a "hero" round or some such and during that round, promote heavily the great efforts, sacrifices and so on of any number of players, including well known and unsung heroes of the indigenous population.

That would be something to celebrate...

Even a "poor bastards" round and we can march out South (and soon to be, Sturt) supporters for everyone to feel pity for...

[topsywaldron]

Amazing isn't it... suggest a white round (even tongue-in-cheek) and you're a nazi,

I never bought up Nazis by the way, that's completely your own projection.

That you don't take into account Australia's historical treatment of Aboriginals in both society and football when conducting this crusade is staggering.

I feel genuinely sorry for you.

[therisingblues]

Technically it was not originally a verb but an activity one can undertake, but the language shifted just as ours does..
Wikipedia is not the most authoritative source but it is easy to hand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking

The Old Norse feminine noun víking refers to an expedition overseas. It occurs in Viking Age runic inscriptions and in later medieval writings in set expressions such as the phrasal verb fara í víking "to go on an expedition".
In later texts such as the Icelandic sagas, the phrase "to go viking" implies participation in raiding activity or piracy, and not simply seaborne missions of trade and commerce. The related Old Norse masculine noun víkingr appears in Viking Age skaldic poetry and on several rune stones found in Scandinavia, where it refers to a seaman or warrior who takes part in an expedition overseas. The form also occurs as a personal name on some Swedish rune stones. There is little indication of any negative connotation in the term before the end of the Viking Age.
Regardless of its possible origins, the word was used to indicate an activity and those who participated in it, and not to any ethnic or cultural group.

The same is reported in Gwyn Jones, "A History of the Vikings". Oxford University Press http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwyn_Jones_%28author%29

All interesting stuff. If I ever get the chance I'll read that book.
A rather wretched time to be born on the English east coast one would think. Although I have read that once the Danelaw was established those that lived in that area enjoyed more freedom than those who lived in Saxon England.

[Groucho]

I never bought up Nazis by the way

Which shop did you buy one from? And why would you want to, I would have thought it illegal and morally wrong to sell them.
Do you mean brought?

[CENTURION]

I never bought up Nazis by the way

Which shop did you buy one from? And why would you want to, I would have thought it illegal and morally wrong to sell them.
Do you mean brought?

No, he bought up Nazis, it's the 1945 German version of upwords.

[The Sleeping Giant]

I never bought up Nazis by the way

Which shop did you buy one from? And why would you want to, I would have thought it illegal and morally wrong to sell them.
Do you mean brought?

So there are both types of Nazi on this site.

[mrjbeam1981]

I sometimes think to myself that if I was of Aboriginal descent, I might feel a bit uneasy or even embarrassed sometimes by the way that we seem to be sucking up to them? just saying. It would be good to get an Aboriginal's perspective on this. JB?

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

[csbowes]

That you don't take into account Australia's historical treatment of Aboriginals in both society and football when conducting this crusade is staggering.

Don't assume. I have taken it into account, I just don't think it's relevant.

These rounds (repeating myself ad nauseum here) should be about celebrating those who have contributed to the game in some manner, based on deed, not on race or ethnic background.

Being indigenous doesn't make you special, just as being white doesn't. Doing a memorable deed or deeds is what deserves recognition, skin colour shouldn't be a prerequisite for special attention.

[dedja]

I sometimes think to myself that if I was of Aboriginal descent, I might feel a bit uneasy or even embarrassed sometimes by the way that we seem to be sucking up to them? just saying. It would be good to get an Aboriginal's perspective on this. JB?

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

Spoken with class ...

[Scrapboy]

These rounds (repeating myself ad nauseum here) should be about celebrating those who have contributed to the game in some manner, based on deed, not on race or ethnic background.

Being indigenous doesn't make you special, just as being white doesn't. Doing a memorable deed or deeds is what deserves recognition, skin colour shouldn't be a prerequisite for special attention.

As much as I don't really have a problem with the format of celebrating what the indigenous, other cultures, women, etc. do for football, I agree 100% with what you say here.

[once_were_warriors]

What's the problem? Can only be a positive , concentrate on that rather than "What about me".

[Pseudo]

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

[am Bays]

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

Now two rivers run their course
Separated for so long
I'm waiting for the day
When the waters will be as one
Treaty - Yothu Yindi

[Psyber]

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

Now two rivers run their course
Separated for so long
I'm waiting for the day
When the waters will be as one
Treaty - Yothu Yindi

Well put in both cases.
Acknowledge past mistakes, then plan for a future working together.

[Booney]

I sometimes think to myself that if I was of Aboriginal descent, I might feel a bit uneasy or even embarrassed sometimes by the way that we seem to be sucking up to them? just saying. It would be good to get an Aboriginal's perspective on this. JB?

I don't have an issue with these sorts of rounds as we are able recognise the the work these people have done for our wonderful game. As a proud Aboriginal man I don't feel embarrased nor do I feel that its the SANFL's way of feeling "sorry about the past". I do have a similar line of thought about having a round where there were more teams participating. As for the "cultural wars" people have been talking about on this thread, my thoughts in order for Australia, both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people to move forward is to acknowledge the past (this includes education), but not to live in the past and then we as Australians can truly move forward together.

Very well said.

My biggest concern with acknowledging the past and educating people about it is the "old wounds" that would be reopened.

With this would come some pain, perhaps this would enable us to truly move forward, but it would come at a cost to many.