Ron Fuller on club zones

[Sojourner]

I grew up in the South also, go have a look at the number of schools that have closed in the area, Morphett Vale High, Morphett Vale South & West along with a number of others in addition to various schools that are just hanging on with three or four year levels in the one class, the point being that the area was built up in the 1960s-70-80s and large portions of Morphett Vale, Reynella and Hackam are home to the Boomer generation. SANFL is based on "Participation Rates" and South have been at a strong disadvantage for a number of years. Also unlike what many people think, South are not fed into by a number of SFL clubs who are in fact feeder clubs for West, Glenelg and Sturt. In terms of the Murray Bridge League, its not 1 & 1/2 hours through to places like Strathalbyn from Morphett Vale as you can go straight across the hills via local roads.

[am Bays]

Of course ther have been no new schools opened or existing schools have increased their numbers in the Seaford and Aldinga areas in the last 10 years?

[Sojourner]

Of course ther have been no new schools opened or existing schools have increased their numbers in the Seaford and Aldinga areas in the last 10 years?

And the participation rates across the zone are?

[am Bays]

And one of the reason why SANFL clubs get development funds from the AFL via the SANFL is to...

[Dutchy]

I grew up in the South also, go have a look at the number of schools that have closed in the area, Morphett Vale High, Morphett Vale South & West along with a number of others in addition to various schools that are just hanging on with three or four year levels in the one class, the point being that the area was built up in the 1960s-70-80s and large portions of Morphett Vale, Reynella and Hackam are home to the Boomer generation. SANFL is based on "Participation Rates" and South have been at a strong disadvantage for a number of years. Also unlike what many people think, South are not fed into by a number of SFL clubs who are in fact feeder clubs for West, Glenelg and Sturt. In terms of the Murray Bridge League, its not 1 & 1/2 hours through to places like Strathalbyn from Morphett Vale as you can go straight across the hills via local roads.

There are no SFL clubs which feed into Sturt. South have the majority of SFL clubs, only a few are Glenelg and West.

My lad goes to a school right on the boundary of South & West where 50% of the kids would live in each zone. They regularly have clinics run by West at the school while South are never seen.

Participation rates are a terrible way of assessing the zones, simply do it on population and then it is simply up to the clubs to work their zone to their benefit, what you put in is what you get out.

[Mark_Beswick]

Is there a link showing the changes and or proposed zones allotted to each club posted somewhere? I may have glanced over it if posted previously

[Bunton]

South have the majority of SFL clubs, only a few are Glenelg and West.

South don't have morphetvile park, Marion, Brighton, cove, flagstaff hill, happy valley, osulivans beach/londsale, parts of Rey Ella, parts of morphetvale ..... That's quite a "few"

My lad goes to a school right on the boundary of South & West where 50% of the kids would live in each zone. They regularly have clinics run by West at the school while South are never seen.

The school cannot be on the border. It is either in souths zone or wests zone. If it is in souths zone, then SANFL rule state west can not run clinics/ promotions there, and vice versatile if it is in wests zone. Which zone is it actually in. Look up the map on the SANFL website to check. If west are doing clinics there, it sounds like it is placed in wests zone, in which case you should retract you comments.

Participation rates are a terrible way of assessing the zones, simply do it on population and then it is simply up to the clubs to work their zone to their benefit, what you put in is what you get out.[/quote]

[Bunton]

Ive lived in the south since 1991. I played football for a club in souths zone for 10 years, my son has played 6 years of primary school footy in souths zone and hes also played one year of club. Ive been involved at two clubs and have knkwn dozens of players and club board members for several clubs. Both of my kids had been through Auskick too.
My kids and I have encountered more people from the Crows, Port, the 36ers and the NRL as well as countless other sporting bodies than from South!
If South are working as hard as the other clubs then god help the SANFL.

Which primary school was your kid at which auskick centre? If these places are located within the streets allocated as souths zone, then south development staff warren Ploenges and Immanuel irra should have an involvement. Let me know exact school and auskick centre

[Wedgie]

Ive lived in the south since 1991. I played football for a club in souths zone for 10 years, my son has played 6 years of primary school footy in souths zone and hes also played one year of club. Ive been involved at two clubs and have knkwn dozens of players and club board members for several clubs. Both of my kids had been through Auskick too.
My kids and I have encountered more people from the Crows, Port, the 36ers and the NRL as well as countless other sporting bodies than from South!
If South are working as hard as the other clubs then god help the SANFL.

Which primary school was your kid at which auskick centre? If these places are located within the streets allocated as souths zone, then south development staff warren Ploenges and Immanuel irra should have an involvement. Let me know exact school and auskick centre

Will PM you mate. But both the school they attended and the school they went to Auskick for (as their school didnt have one) are in Souths area. Luckily my sons school has proactive parents who solely run the football team.
Not real concerned about Auskick or who comes to Primary school now as theyll both be in high school next year.
And on that their high school is in Souths area, has over 1000 kids in it and not one football team. My son will have to play Rugby League or soccer if he wants to be involved in school sports.

[JamesH]

FACT: Zones dont really mean that much as you can recruit anyone from ouside your zone.... its just SANFL rules that have transfer fees.

In the past Port Adelaide were very good at taking players from other peoples zones - Tregenza etc....

[The Sleeping Giant]

Ive lived in the south since 1991. I played football for a club in souths zone for 10 years, my son has played 6 years of primary school footy in souths zone and hes also played one year of club. Ive been involved at two clubs and have knkwn dozens of players and club board members for several clubs. Both of my kids had been through Auskick too.
My kids and I have encountered more people from the Crows, Port, the 36ers and the NRL as well as countless other sporting bodies than from South!
If South are working as hard as the other clubs then god help the SANFL.

Which primary school was your kid at which auskick centre? If these places are located within the streets allocated as souths zone, then south development staff warren Ploenges and Immanuel irra should have an involvement. Let me know exact school and auskick centre

Will PM you mate. But both the school they attended and the school they went to Auskick for (as their school didnt have one) are in Souths area. Luckily my sons school has proactive parents who solely run the football team.
Not real concerned about Auskick or who comes to Primary school now as theyll both be in high school next year.
And on that their high school is in Souths area, has over 1000 kids in it and not one football team. My son will have to play Rugby League or soccer if he wants to be involved in school sports.

Why send him there then?

[Barto]

SANFL is about traditions, tribal and relationships between lower clubs and schools. How can changing those traditions etc help the game and its development. The comments from the Riverland football League say it all.
South have a big area with the developing Southern area , they just do bugger all with it !!!
A club struggling to survive like Sturt and the SANFL remedy is to rip the guts out of its traditional development areas.
Also the traditional Norwood area where most people follow the Redlegs and have since birth is slowly being erroded to Sturt who in turn lose their traditional areas. How is this helping anyone ?
Give xxxxing KI to South ffs, it is right alongside their current area. Not knocking KI by the way.
I thought Chandler had left !!!!

Bingo!

If South aren't putting in at minimum the same effort in the Murray Bridge area that Sturt were then they should have it ripped straight back off them.

[Wedgie]

Ive lived in the south since 1991. I played football for a club in souths zone for 10 years, my son has played 6 years of primary school footy in souths zone and hes also played one year of club. Ive been involved at two clubs and have knkwn dozens of players and club board members for several clubs. Both of my kids had been through Auskick too.
My kids and I have encountered more people from the Crows, Port, the 36ers and the NRL as well as countless other sporting bodies than from South!
If South are working as hard as the other clubs then god help the SANFL.

Which primary school was your kid at which auskick centre? If these places are located within the streets allocated as souths zone, then south development staff warren Ploenges and Immanuel irra should have an involvement. Let me know exact school and auskick centre

Will PM you mate. But both the school they attended and the school they went to Auskick for (as their school didnt have one) are in Souths area. Luckily my sons school has proactive parents who solely run the football team.
Not real concerned about Auskick or who comes to Primary school now as theyll both be in high school next year.
And on that their high school is in Souths area, has over 1000 kids in it and not one football team. My son will have to play Rugby League or soccer if he wants to be involved in school sports.

Why send him there then?

It's the best academic school in the area and its a 5 minute walk from my place. My daughter's getting straight As and got to meet Julia Gillard a couple of months ago on a fully paid trip to Canberra because of her academic achievements so we're fairly pleased with it. I could send him further away to a poorer performing academic wise school just to play footy which would also be a logistical nightmare but I'd rather he go to a good school and play club footy. Anyway I digress. South lift your game if you want kids in the southern areas to play for you!

[Premiers]

There are 2 aspects that haven't been considered when equalising the Clubs' Zones based on the number of young males between certain ages and the number of teams especially in the Metropolitan Area.

1. Culture. The Eagles have a large part (Mansfield Park Ferryden Park Arndale area that has a high density of Vietnamese people. Whereas they are lovely people, AFL football is not a game that appeals to them and this is seen in the absence of Vietnamese on the playing lists throughout Australia. Should a Club be penalised by having a large percentage of disinterested people despite working their backsides off in the schools program. (Greeks, Italians, and many others are represented in our great sport but not Vietnamese).
2.Many clubs have colleges that provide football for as many boys out of the Zone - Price Alfred College is in the Norwood zone but is providing football for as many boys from North Adelaide and Sturt as well as the Boarders from the country. The Eagles have Henley High School right on its boundary with West Adelaide (now Glenelg) and is providing football to as many boys from those Clubs and so on.....
But South Adelaide has its Zone almost exclusively providing for themselves.

Point is, numbers don't tell the whole story.

[Jim05]

FACT: Zones dont really mean that much as you can recruit anyone from ouside your zone.... its just SANFL rules that have transfer fees.

In the past Port Adelaide were very good at taking players from other peoples zones - Tregenza etc....

There is always a way around it. If a talented kid wants to end up at his club of choice he will.
Plenty of kids play for clubs not in their zone.
Id hope that with all the work clubs like Sturt have done in their zones that the kids stay loyal to them

[heater31]

FACT: Zones dont really mean that much as you can recruit anyone from ouside your zone.... its just SANFL rules that have transfer fees.

In the past Port Adelaide were very good at taking players from other peoples zones - Tregenza etc....

Port also let Michael Coad slip their grasp as well.......

[SDK]

Typical example of this bs constant changing of boundaries and traditions : My mate who coaches in the Norwood area and is now with Norwood in a junior capacity coached his kids through the Norwood high school system. His son showed some promise and was going to try out with the Redlegs U17's only to be told he was now zoned to Sturt under the new boundary change. The lad said xxxx off Sturt I am a Norwood born and bred.
That lad does not play football now, denied the opportunity to play for the team he was born and bred with he quit the game.
We advertise on TV and radio about support your tribe then a year later dismantle that whole system. Soon the Norwood Parade will be in the Sturt area and the Black Diamond corner lost to Port.
Total and utter bullshit SANFL and I am sick to death of your lack of brains and total lack of professionalism. Who the xxxx pays these morons to make these stupid decisions based on xxxxing numbers and stats and NOT traditions and HEART !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Sleeping Giant]

Typical example of this bs constant changing of boundaries and traditions : My mate who coaches in the Norwood area and is now with Norwood in a junior capacity coached his kids through the Norwood high school system. His son showed some promise and was going to try out with the Redlegs U17's only to be told he was now zoned to Sturt under the new boundary change. The lad said xxxx off Sturt I am a Norwood born and bred.
That lad does not play football now, denied the opportunity to play for the team he was born and bred with he quit the game.

Must not of really wanted too or been good enough too play at an SANFL club. Sounds piss weak actually.

[Alaska]

Ive lived in the south since 1991. I played football for a club in souths zone for 10 years, my son has played 6 years of primary school footy in souths zone and hes also played one year of club. Ive been involved at two clubs and have knkwn dozens of players and club board members for several clubs. Both of my kids had been through Auskick too.
My kids and I have encountered more people from the Crows, Port, the 36ers and the NRL as well as countless other sporting bodies than from South!
If South are working as hard as the other clubs then god help the SANFL.

Which primary school was your kid at which auskick centre? If these places are located within the streets allocated as souths zone, then south development staff warren Ploenges and Immanuel irra should have an involvement. Let me know exact school and auskick centre

Will PM you mate. But both the school they attended and the school they went to Auskick for (as their school didnt have one) are in Souths area. Luckily my sons school has proactive parents who solely run the football team.
Not real concerned about Auskick or who comes to Primary school now as theyll both be in high school next year.
And on that their high school is in Souths area, has over 1000 kids in it and not one football team. My son will have to play Rugby League or soccer if he wants to be involved in school sports.

WTF this is exactly what the AFL should be fighting against!

[klaan]

SANFL is about traditions, tribal and relationships between lower clubs and schools. How can changing those traditions etc help the game and its development. The comments from the Riverland football League say it all.
South have a big area with the developing Southern area , they just do bugger all with it !!!
A club struggling to survive like Sturt and the SANFL remedy is to rip the guts out of its traditional development areas.
Also the traditional Norwood area where most people follow the Redlegs and have since birth is slowly being erroded to Sturt who in turn lose their traditional areas. How is this helping anyone ?
Give xxxxing KI to South ffs, it is right alongside their current area. Not knocking KI by the way.
I thought Chandler had left !!!!

I cannot believe this, the Bays get to keep everything? We get Sturts zone because the SANFL are too weak to take something off of the Bays. If i didnt laugh at the reaction of you all to this i swear i'd cry. word at the Club tonight was that Chandler chaired this committee on behalf of the sanfl to the end because Davies had presented on the stuff for the Wiggles. Go figure, Chandler does it for the bays again.