2012 SANFL Fixture

[the joker]

Finals on Saturdays, I'm happy.

finals are still Sundays

[dedja]

Changing South's night games to mostly Fridays will maximise the crowds.

Not sure how you figure this, removing games from the highest drawing team at the best attended oval and handing them to South Adelaide would seem to achieve the polar opposite.

Heretical I know.

Obviously the SANFL is assisting Norwood ... night games programmed later in the season to give the club time to ensure that all globes are screwed in securely.

You know it makes sense ...

[fuzz]

Great way to start the season. WWT V Port under lights at Thebbie!

[SANFLnut]

Personally, I don't care too much about the draw as my team will be there at the end if they're good enough. The thing for me is that looking at the fixture from a Norwood point of view, there's no way the league can be claiming a desire to maximize attendances.

A pretty simple point that none of the AFL apologists on here seem to want to address.

One can only guess at their motives.

There is a difference between aiming to maximize attendances as SANFL have and simply favoring teams with the draw as AFL do with programming of Friday night games and blockbuster games etc. The SANFL are starting from an equitable share of home games, timeslots etc. and allowing clubs to decide on venues and timing for their games to maximize their home crowds.

[SANFLnut]

One area the draw is clearly weak is Round 1. Massive missed opportunity to open the season in a big way and get fans excited about local comp. 2010 this round was programmed really well with Bloods home game Fri night and then games spread across Saturday including some good match ups. 2011 started with a Norwood v Port match as an AFL curtain raiser (rest of rd 1 ok) then this year we get half of the teams not playing.

Draw is difficult to construct within the restrictions that exist but Round 1 should open with a bang rather than going out of its way to not be noticed.

[Scrapboy]

Personally, I don't care too much about the draw as my team will be there at the end if they're good enough. The thing for me is that looking at the fixture from a Norwood point of view, there's no way the league can be claiming a desire to maximize attendances.

A pretty simple point that none of the AFL apologists on here seem to want to address.

One can only guess at their motives.

There is a difference between aiming to maximize attendances as SANFL have and simply favoring teams with the draw as AFL do with programming of Friday night games and blockbuster games etc. The SANFL are starting from an equitable share of home games, timeslots etc. and allowing clubs to decide on venues and timing for their games to maximize their home crowds.

I'm not trying to make a huge issue of this one (as some have here) as I always go watch my team every week wherever and whenever they play. I'm not expecting the SANFL to favour anybody, just stating that from a Norwood point of view the league is NOT trying to maximize our home game attendances, maybe from another team's perspective they are. Regardless, I don't think its as simple as the clubs choosing their ground and game time otherwise we'd never settle on a draw and I'm very interested to hear how the SANFL have tried to maximize attendances for the whole draw and all of the clubs.

I know the draw is as even as possible but there is no way Norwood would want most of our home night games when they are scheduled from an attendance perspective - that's all I was saying.

[topsywaldron]

I'm not trying to make a huge issue of this one (as some have here) as I always go watch my team every week wherever and whenever they play. I'm not expecting the SANFL to favour anybody, just stating that from a Norwood point of view the league is NOT trying to maximize our home game attendances, maybe from another team's perspective they are. Regardless, I don't think its as simple as the clubs choosing their ground and game time otherwise we'd never settle on a draw and I'm very interested to hear how the SANFL have tried to maximize attendances for the whole draw and all of the clubs.

I know the draw is as even as possible but there is no way Norwood would want most of our home night games when they are scheduled from an attendance perspective - that's all I was saying.

Exactly.

The draw doesn't worry me too much either, I tend to only go to the home games I know we'll win and when I know the Earl Grey Tea Van will be stationed nearby.

[spell_check]

The WAFL did this last year - two matches in Round 1; rounds numbered 1-24 instead of 23. They had 3 matches in Rounds 16 and 17; and two in Round 20. In essence, Rounds 1 and 20 were the same round.

The SANFL this year is - two matches in Round 1; rounds numbered 1-24 instead of 23. 3 matches in Rounds 15 and 16; two in Round 19. And again, Rounds 1 and 19 are effectively the same round.

[spell_check]

From an Eagles perspective:

Hopefully the lights are ready in time for Round 1 - it will be an awesome way to start the season! At the very least it should get 5,000; hopefully the weather is kind and it gets plenty of promotion. Especially since it is the first ever match under lights for premiership points at Thebarton, and the unfurling of the premiership flag. We have never had a stand alone match to open the season before; the 2000 season saw a double header to kick off Norwood/West then Eagles/Port at Football Park is the closest.

The ANZAC Day match is interesting in that the last time we played the 'Grand Final Rematch', it was also on a Wednesday. 4,631 was the attendance at Thebarton. In an ideal world, it would be at Adelaide, but we all know the reasons; how and why it came to be. 6,358 were at Adelaide last year; 4,884 at Elizabeth the year before.

South seems keen to play a night match against us, but what about West? Over the past two seasons, they have played every other club at least once:
Team W L
Central 1 -
Glenelg 1 1
North 1 -
Norwood 1 1
Port 2 -
South 1 -
Sturt 2 -

While it would be nice to have a night game at Glenelg too, the Queens Birthday match is just as good. We last played on that day in 2003 - 4,215 was the attendance; also against the live telecast, too. The last occasion that match has been on TV.

I'd hope we get the following rounds' match moved to the Sunday.

While the finals matches are not concreted for a particular day, they would be mad (or just plain square) not to try the Friday night Preliminary/Saturday Grand Final time slots.

[Hopeful Jelly]

I'm not sure what some Norwood fans are complaining about with regards to trying to maximize attendances by having more night games at Coopers Stadium. From my quick calculations:

Night games at Coopers Stadium - 4 in 2011, 6 in 2012
Night games at Coopers Stadium before mid May when weather is generally at its best - 1 in 2011, 3 in 2012

The last 3 night games scheduled in 2012 are in late July/early August when the weather is getting better. In 2011, 1 of the 4 games was in late June when the weather is normally at its worst.

[RB]

From an Eagles perspective:

Hopefully the lights are ready in time for Round 1 - it will be an awesome way to start the season! At the very least it should get 5,000; hopefully the weather is kind and it gets plenty of promotion. Especially since it is the first ever match under lights for premiership points at Thebarton, and the unfurling of the premiership flag. We have never had a stand alone match to open the season before; the 2000 season saw a double header to kick off Norwood/West then Eagles/Port at Football Park is the closest.

The ANZAC Day match is interesting in that the last time we played the 'Grand Final Rematch', it was also on a Wednesday. 4,631 was the attendance at Thebarton. In an ideal world, it would be at Adelaide, but we all know the reasons; how and why it came to be. 6,358 were at Adelaide last year; 4,884 at Elizabeth the year before.

South seems keen to play a night match against us, but what about West? Over the past two seasons, they have played every other club at least once:
Team W L
Central 1 -
Glenelg 1 1
North 1 -
Norwood 1 1
Port 2 -
South 1 -
Sturt 2 -

While it would be nice to have a night game at Glenelg too, the Queens Birthday match is just as good. We last played on that day in 2003 - 4,215 was the attendance; also against the live telecast, too. The last occasion that match has been on TV.

I'd hope we get the following rounds' match moved to the Sunday.

While the finals matches are not concreted for a particular day, they would be mad (or just plain square) not to try the Friday night Preliminary/Saturday Grand Final time slots.

That was our largest minor round crowd for the season if I remember rightly.

[DOC]

Changing South's night games to mostly Fridays will maximise the crowds.

Not sure how you figure this, removing games from the highest drawing team at the best attended oval and handing them to South Adelaide would seem to achieve the polar opposite.

Heretical I know.

You have not had any games removed and given to South. As pointed out in this thread, Norwood have actually got its night games earlier in the season to take advantage of the better weather. As I understand, Norwood got the draw (timings wise) it was after.

[Scrapboy]

I'm not sure what some Norwood fans are complaining about with regards to trying to maximize attendances by having more night games at Coopers Stadium. From my quick calculations:

Night games at Coopers Stadium - 4 in 2011, 6 in 2012
Night games at Coopers Stadium before mid May when weather is generally at its best - 1 in 2011, 3 in 2012

The last 3 night games scheduled in 2012 are in late July/early August when the weather is getting better. In 2011, 1 of the 4 games was in late June when the weather is normally at its worst.

Firstly, I'm not complaining, I don't believe in conspiracy theories and I have no worries with other clubs hosting night games or the number Norwood get! My first point came from somewhere I read that the league had done all it could to maximize attendance. Normally most of Norwood's night games are in the first 5-6 weeks of the year (in late March/early April when the weather's just great!) when crowds will be higher. Reading this and last season's fixture and cleverly mentioning dates with optimistic weather summaries doesn't change the fact that the league could have scheduled things differently to get a bigger crowd. It's pretty simple and not meant to be sinister at all.

[topsywaldron]

I'm not sure what some Norwood fans are complaining about with regards to trying to maximize attendances by having more night games at Coopers Stadium. From my quick calculations:

Night games at Coopers Stadium - 4 in 2011, 6 in 2012
Night games at Coopers Stadium before mid May when weather is generally at its best - 1 in 2011, 3 in 2012

The last 3 night games scheduled in 2012 are in late July/early August when the weather is getting better. In 2011, 1 of the 4 games was in late June when the weather is normally at its worst.

We were bent over by last years draw in terms of decent games at decent times of the year.

Read Scrapboy's post for a fairly clinical dissection of what's wrong with this year's draw if 'maximising attendance' is what they're after.

In a nine team comp who and where you play has to be fairly standard across a two year cycle, most Norwood people I've spoken to have had issues mainly with how we don't seem to be rewarded at all for our excellent attendance record over the last few years.

That and Chandler of course.

[redandblack]

What if Chandler has nothing to do with the draw?

If you were doing the draw, how would you accommodate each club's wishes when they are most probably contradictory?

[Booney]

Play each team home and away once. There are 18 rounds taken care of. If you want night games, sure, I can look after that too, as long as you have adequate lighting available.You want a Sunday game? No problems, let me know when.

I'm up to sometime in July and it hasn't been very difficult.

[topsywaldron]

Play each team home and away once. There are 18 rounds taken care of. If you want night games, sure, I can look after that too, as long as you have adequate lighting available.You want a Sunday game? No problems, let me know when.

I'm up to sometime in July and it hasn't been very difficult.

Did you give Norwood and Port a game at the Parade on a Friday night in the first few weeks Booney?

[Booney]

If that's what you want. Done.

[Pseudo]

If you were doing the draw, how would you accommodate each club's wishes when they are most probably contradictory?

Ro-sham-bo contest between the presidents of any clubs with conflicting interests. Winner earns preference for his club.

[redandblack]

Good work, Booney.

Now comes the hard part. You've got three rounds left. Make sure the teams don't play the wrong teams 3 times. Make sure each team has the correct number of home and away games. ensure that the Foxtel Cup teams have byes on the days they're playing Foxtel (sorry, FalseTel ? Cup.

Factor in that each club has a wish list. eg: Make sure Port Magpies and Port Power games don't clash, ensure that the Eagles don't clash with too many Crows games, make sure that South are at home on Good Friday, etc, etc, etc.

If you can do that, please send the draw to the SANFL and offer to do next year's draw, backed up with a recommendation from redandblack